Why would able-bodied adult fans want to sit down at a football match? It's not the ballet. No wonder the atmosphere in English stadiums is so crap nowadays.
Why would able-bodied adult fans want to sit down at a football match? It's not the ballet. No wonder the atmosphere in English stadiums is so crap nowadays.
I can't understand why people would want to stand when you can sit, I have no desire at all to go back to standing like I did in the Gallowgate end at St James' Park.
It'll encourage even more bad language and behaviour when these people aren't as easy to identify as they would be whilst sitting.
I can't understand why people would want to stand when you can sit, I have no desire at all to go back to standing like I did in the Gallowgate end at St James' Park.
It'll encourage even more bad language and behaviour when these people aren't as easy to identify as they would be whilst sitting.
I can swear sitting down as well.
Lots of people have mastered that nowadays.
Lots of people cannot understand why you would want to sit down while watching football
I think Safe Standing areas in grounds will be far better than what we have, as currently most grounds have a seated section that the whole crowd stand up for the entire match. People will then know if they are in a seated or standing area (you can't sit down if everyone else around you stands at the mo!) and i've been in areas of grounds where everyone stands and when we score someone often will fall forward down onto the seat in front, which is too easy to do when standing in a seated area.
Safe standing ares work because when buying a ticket everyone is still designated to a specific spot (row & number), so security and cctv inside a ground can still identify exactly who is the troublemaker in the very unlikely event of something kicking off
I prefer sitting, but nothing to do with atmosphere or getting into it, I just prefer to sit. It's why I can't do music festivals, that and all the camping.
I prefer sitting, but nothing to do with atmosphere or getting into it, I just prefer to sit. It's why I can't do music festivals, that and all the camping.
People stood at football games for years before Hillsborough and still do at away games. It's a tradition many people want to see return in the way of Safe Standing areas. People stand at Rugby and Concerts too. Ok you get the idiots who push at gigs and it creates a "wave" which if you are at the front, is a crush. That wouldn't happen with safe standing as you rightly pointed out, but those nasty flag attracting barriers would prevent this.
There is more chance of a rush of people when seats are in place. The backs are low and there is nothing stopping people stepping over them and moving forward. Again, barriers would prevent this.
Back to the point about Flags and barriers, the people stood in-front of the barriers (as there is a barrier in front of every person) would hide this racist flag you seem to think it'll attract.
I've seen the Red Hot Chili Peppers twice, once standing (in a seated area) and another actually sat down in a seated area. The atmosphere at the first gig (stood up) was far better, as everyone was stood up, singing, dancing etc... the other was very dull in comparison.
I can't understand why people would want to stand when you can sit, I have no desire at all to go back to standing like I did in the Gallowgate end at St James' Park.
It'll encourage even more bad language and behaviour when these people aren't as easy to identify as they would be whilst sitting.
What is your evidence to suggest this? Can't wait to hear it.
Loathe sitting at a footie match, and am glad that the issue is at last being discussed.
When the grandkids were younger, we sat in the family seating area, but my grand daughters begged to go to the standing area as they want to get nearer the action. Even if packed the other fans always made room for us so the kids could see the game.
It'll encourage even more bad language and behaviour when these people aren't as easy to identify as they would be whilst sitting.
You really think if people stood up it would make them use more bad language ? If so, do you think teams do away with stewards/police once safe standing is introduced ?
If people want to swear, I don't think a seat will be the deciding factor...
I suppose the concern is that it's easier to duck under or climb over a navel-height barrier with someone standing just in front of it than it is to step over a seat with someone sitting in it.
I suppose the concern is that it's easier to duck under or climb over a navel-height barrier with someone standing just in front of it than it is to step over a seat with someone sitting in it.
You couldn't duck under the barriers as there is a seat there (it's just locked in a upright position)
But if there's going to be a seat AND standing room in front won't it require each tier to be wider to accommodate both?
At the moment at some grounds there's barely enough room for your legs if you're fairly tall. Won't that interpretation of 'safe-standing' require a lot more room if we're going from:
Chair+(barely any) legroom
to
Chair + standing room.
Presumably the standing room would need to be more than what's currently allocated as legroom, necessitating a widening of the 'step'
Grounds in Germany may be different, as they've always had to include provision for standing they may well make each row wider to accommodate both. In England where every ground post 1990 has only has to consider seating, there might not be room without massive restructuring work.
That looks like a massive amount of leg room compared to what you'd get at most English grounds. At least the older ones, not sure about the Emirates, Wembley etc, but I don't think you touch that for leg room at OT unless you took out every other row of seating
So if every row of seating was removed and it was still '1 person per seat' (regardless if they sat down) wouldn't safe standing in most grounds dramatically reduce capacity in areas therefore lessening income?
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Same reason people sit at Rugby and concerts.
I have never been to a rugby match, but only very lame people sit at concerts (unless it's classical music)
It'll encourage even more bad language and behaviour when these people aren't as easy to identify as they would be whilst sitting.
What have two very different events got to do with anything?
Any more random events to mention?
I can swear sitting down as well.
Lots of people have mastered that nowadays.
Lots of people cannot understand why you would want to sit down while watching football
Its about providing people with the choice
So it's lame to sit at a gig at the O2 arena?
People use to stand at gigs pre big door arena days.
Things move on.
Safe standing ares work because when buying a ticket everyone is still designated to a specific spot (row & number), so security and cctv inside a ground can still identify exactly who is the troublemaker in the very unlikely event of something kicking off
"Offensive flags" ffs. I thought that was a wind-up at first, then I saw who came out with it.
Are we discussing gigs? No
BTW I have been to many gigs recently at big arenas and guess what
I stood
No idea, been to O2 many times and never say down
havent you heard?
it aint ballet:D:D:D
People stood at football games for years before Hillsborough and still do at away games. It's a tradition many people want to see return in the way of Safe Standing areas. People stand at Rugby and Concerts too. Ok you get the idiots who push at gigs and it creates a "wave" which if you are at the front, is a crush. That wouldn't happen with safe standing as you rightly pointed out, but those nasty flag attracting barriers would prevent this.
There is more chance of a rush of people when seats are in place. The backs are low and there is nothing stopping people stepping over them and moving forward. Again, barriers would prevent this.
Back to the point about Flags and barriers, the people stood in-front of the barriers (as there is a barrier in front of every person) would hide this racist flag you seem to think it'll attract.
I've seen the Red Hot Chili Peppers twice, once standing (in a seated area) and another actually sat down in a seated area. The atmosphere at the first gig (stood up) was far better, as everyone was stood up, singing, dancing etc... the other was very dull in comparison.
But they do stand. That's kind of the point I am making.
Depends who you are seeing.
What is your evidence to suggest this? Can't wait to hear it.
Singer songwriter stuff is usually much better in a seated environment too. 2 hours of standing still kills my back.
When the grandkids were younger, we sat in the family seating area, but my grand daughters begged to go to the standing area as they want to get nearer the action. Even if packed the other fans always made room for us so the kids could see the game.
You really think if people stood up it would make them use more bad language ? If so, do you think teams do away with stewards/police once safe standing is introduced ?
If people want to swear, I don't think a seat will be the deciding factor...
You couldn't duck under the barriers as there is a seat there (it's just locked in a upright position)
At the moment at some grounds there's barely enough room for your legs if you're fairly tall. Won't that interpretation of 'safe-standing' require a lot more room if we're going from:
Chair+(barely any) legroom
to
Chair + standing room.
Presumably the standing room would need to be more than what's currently allocated as legroom, necessitating a widening of the 'step'
Grounds in Germany may be different, as they've always had to include provision for standing they may well make each row wider to accommodate both. In England where every ground post 1990 has only has to consider seating, there might not be room without massive restructuring work.
For example this
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/65/Safe_standing_area_fitted_with_rail_seats.jpg
That looks like a massive amount of leg room compared to what you'd get at most English grounds. At least the older ones, not sure about the Emirates, Wembley etc, but I don't think you touch that for leg room at OT unless you took out every other row of seating
Look:
https://gibbos92.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/p1190244.jpg
So if every row of seating was removed and it was still '1 person per seat' (regardless if they sat down) wouldn't safe standing in most grounds dramatically reduce capacity in areas therefore lessening income?