The woman in the shop
inspector drake
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Before last weeks episode I would have thought Missy would turn out to be the woman in the shop. Apparently this is not the case, since Clara didn't seem to recognise her when they met, so that theory is out of the window. Am I to assume the identity of the mysterious woman will be revealed tonight?
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Clara only met the women in the shop once so she may not just remember her how many people who serve you just once can you remember.
I went to a shop I don't normally go into yesterday and I wouldn't recognise the person who served me now.
It happened two to three years ago from Clara's point of view.
Missy (if it was her) would not have been dressed as Mary Poppins.
The Master is well known for using disguises.
yeah , this was pretty weak .
plus - the idea that Clara is a control freak only got introduced at the beginning of this season anyway .
But why Missy needed him there? No good reason apparently. The Doctor didn't do anything in the Nethersphere. He didn't need to go there. Seems like Missy went to an awful lot of trouble for nothing!
The way the dialogue was written (i.e. Missys' words) it would seem Clara making him go there and then Clara being there is the key - but I'm still working out all the pieces in my head - which is a good thing I think - It needs working out (!) lol - but I will agree Claire with the sentiment of your post on this one - it ain't obvious!!
It wouldn't surprise me if Missy sabotaged the "Delete" button on Dannys' Ipad deliberately (in an un unseen scene) to make sure that he ended up in the cyber body alive and still aware of himself and with emotions, leading to the fact that Clara meeting Cyber-Danny actually happens, so she would be faced with a tough choice, one where she would need the Doctor to help her.
Missy effectively suggested that call to the TARDIS on the plane was something she was expecting .....
I think if you have to make up entire scenes in your head for it even to remotely work it probably doesn't work
But yes, a very unsatisfying conclusion to a mystery we've been waiting two series for the answer to.
I'll defend Moff and I feel you & I can share our conflicting views quite peacefully so I'll end my thoughts here for now I think
Tonights episodes did have some bits I'm struggling to fully explain, unseen scenes etc - and why one moment Mistress watches in disappointment as the Doctor does not die as he falls from the plane and then next she sees her "expected" scene with Clara giving him a tough choice - heck if you knew it was coming Missy why blast the visualisation of the Matrix AI when he hoots how the Doctor saves himself?
But - I still loved it, and heck I try not to think too hard about the gaps - Moff is just a bloke who loves the show who is trying to do the best he can
*cough* Toby Whithouse *cough*
I think Moffat's an okay writer but not organised or well planned enough to be a great showrunner for a complicated show like this with a large number of episodes. This is, after all, the man who doesn't write any of his series plans down. (Which explains a lot!).
Nah, course he's not. I don't think he's the devil incarnate or anything
I will add that this is not a rant about the entire episode, as I found it patchy in places but rather good overall, it's just that the above point really was handled badly in my opinion.
The daft thing was there's two far more important reasons that she needed to be with him - jumping into his time stream to save him and stopping him from destroying Gallifrey. She's not the only woman in the universe who could've done those things but she's the type of person who would and it would've made more sense if they'd been Missy's reasons for 'choosing' her.
I suspect you're unfortunately spot on.
She needed someone controlling so checked on the past and future on many controlling people until she found the perfect one in Clara for the reason below
Missy may already of known Danny would die so went back to before Clara and Danny met to get her to meet The Doctor so by the time he did Clara would be a big part of his life and he would do whatever he could.
Even if that changed how they met Clara and Danny would always meet somehow as Orson needed to be born as him been the first human Time Traveller is a fixed point in time so time would find a way to make them meet
I'll admit, he may need a holiday - and good shout on whithouse. But I think we're saying the same thing from different perspective - he needs more than just one or two other writers to take some of the load. In my opinion I think this will help increase his own consistency. For example, if we had no Mathieson this season, imagine what it could have been like - the answer isn't Mathieson, the problem is that there aren't enough Mathiesons to help Moff out. One maybe two more top class writers may take some of the weight off Moff allowing hm to be that superstar that atleast I think he is
I think the issue is partly to do with how the screen writers are still chosen for this - it's still very much a case of who you know rather than talent. Screen writing for the top shows remains an old boys network of mates hiring mates and hence not enough new talent gets through. There are several exceptional screenwriters out there who can write in the genre who have shown an interest in DW but have openly said they've never been asked. It's a pity they don't give more of them a chance.
Love it.:D:D