Sadly it seems he has to if he is going to survive with his fellows in the EU.
President of the European Commission Jean-Claude Juncker
Mr Juncker has never hidden his view that the compromises and deals being worked out in EU meetings or leaders or ministers need be protected from public scrutiny, by lies if necessary.
"When it becomes serious, you have to lie," he said.
In May 2011, he told a meeting of the federalist European Movement that he often “had to lie” and that eurozone monetary policy should be discussed in “secret, dark debates”.
If was in hospital needing treatment then I wouldn't care who was looking after me as long as they were qualified. If importing people helps cut waiting lists and improve services then surely it is a good thing.
If was in hospital needing treatment then I wouldn't care who was looking after me as long as they were qualified. If importing people helps cut waiting lists and improve services then surely it is a good thing.
The point is how have we got in a situation of letting in more people than we have nurses /doctors to look after our population. How does the NHS budget not knowing the immigration flow. If we didn't have such a large population we wouldn't need more nurses/ doctors
Considering the supposed utter demolition of Remain the Brexiters were telling us happened last night, the odds have barely shifted. Ladbrokes are offering 5/2 and a 27% chance on Brexit, still a good time to put your money on if you're so convinced of a Leave victory
The Leave camp wiping the floor with the remain robots who had to resort to personal attacks. And then a bonus at Question Time, Eddie Izzard's performance for remain was, well... wow... in fact, no sorry I've changed my mind. It was so BRILLIANT that I hope he represents remain every day until the 23rd. Thank you Eddie, you're a star!
Well I'm just going by what Caroline Lucas said on BBC Question Time in 2009- but I'm sure you know better than someone who was and likely will be again the leader of the party
Things like the citizens income or basic income which I understand your keen on cannot be described as anything other than left wing
No political ideology can be completely free of being either left or right wing to argue the contrary would have many political philosopher's choking on their morning cup of tea in a fit of the giggles
And as you know I am against the Green Party being identified with one individual such as Caroline.
The Green Party is not personality based, it is ideology based.
An ideology that is Green.
Some people put the planet and the welfare of animals above that of humans.
That is not socialist.
Most people see work as there for us, not us there for work. That is not socialist.
Greens want a sustainable society and economy, that is being Green not socialist.
Some vegetarians have right wing ideologies which is why the Brighton Green Council went wrong when it tried to force its vegetarianism on Council workers.
Being Green is a lot more complicated than just being left or right wing.
Many immigrants do - many don't. The point is if we leave the EU we can choose to accept the former and not be forced to accept the latter.
But as you say the thought that a load of low wage tax credit and housing benefit bankrolled people are going to pay for our pensions is laughable. As rents and house prices rise ever more they will all need more and more subsidies from the state to afford to live here.
...and this can be tackled by the UK govt. Why aren't they? More housing / rent caps and controls / getting to grips with the dodgy private rental sector? Why are you engaged in buck passing when the blame lies fairly and squarely at Number 10's door?
When the remain camp talk about immigration, they say that we should invest in public services to cope with the demand. I have three questions.
Where is the money coming from?
Are you happy to pay more tax to fund this?
What increase is needed financially to increase public services so that it can cope with the demand, not only based on current population but also with the additional numbers that will continue to come? As you know, even Cameron himself said on this weeks debate that he can no longer put a figure on it.
Non of this is the fault of the EU or immigration. The fault lies with the UK govt past and present.
These would be the governments who failed to properly plan for the pressures caused by suddenly allowing a lot of extra people in to the country? It is not the people coming in, it is the quantity that is causing the problems - and you'll most likely find that this is the complaint, not the individuals, who quite understandably would be wanting to take up an entirely legitimate opportunity.
People are blaming government policy and failure to plan for its consequences. Here, 'immigration' is just a shorthand for a number of things that sit in the same bundle.
Or we can just keep mis-characterising opposing arguments instead of actually getting anywhere.
The UK benefits from immigration. Immigration is a strength of the nation. Immigrants are net contributors to the economy.
Some people benefit some don't in the UK. Having the migrants to fill gaps is good, having unlimited and uncontrolled immigration is not. As to net contributors I doubt it once you add rent subsidies, tax credits, top ups etc. if they are in many cases on minimum or low wage. Then of course unlimited access to the NHS and Schooling for them and any family they are supposedly supporting.
My daughter is a genuine undecided. Not remotely interested in politics, but realises she needs to vote. She was leaning towards remain because it seemed the 'safer' option last week.
Here is her verdict on last night's debate, which generally ties in with the view on here, but not, interestingly enough, on the opinion pieces in the MSM which were quite complimentary about Rudd.
If this was the reaction of other undecideds, then remain may well be in trouble
I just feel that Nicola sturgeon, although very articulate, has one agenda and that is to gain a separate Scotland. She said that we are better together as part of Europe bla bla bla but she still wants an independent Scotland that is part of the Eu - well that's a no brainier as Scotland doesn't have the economy for it to manage completely alone. I assume she feels the eu would bail them out if it turns out to be a bad decision if they get independence. I felt sorry for boris. they were proper going at him but he really kept his cool. The other two out gisele something and the energy minister were also v good. The in bitches were just that, bitching and v aggressive. Still no clearer really in terms of forming an opinion yet though! The analysis on the news actually after was v good.
The UK benefits from immigration. Immigration is a strength of the nation. Immigrants are net contributors to the economy.
Oh this old chestnut.
Andrea from Leave nailed that one.
It's a matter of putting controls on the number of people we want with the skills we need. Don't know what is so difficult to grasp about this.
Oh this old chestnut.
Andrea from Leave nailed that one.
It's a matter of putting controls on the number of people we want with the skills we need. Don't know what is so difficult to grasp about this.
The UK benefits from immigration. Immigration is a strength of the nation. Immigrants are net contributors to the economy.
Whilst the UK has benefited from some immigration it has not benefited from mass immigration. We have opened our borders to people who think that the Minimum Wage is an attractive remuneration. Employers exploit the Minimum Wage in such a way that it becomes the Maximum Wage. Immigrants on the Minimum Wage consequently rely on State Benefits in order to survive.
Far from importing wealth creators, the Tories and Labour have opened our borders to hundreds of thousands of low skilled and low paid immigrants. Will these people ever earn sufficient to be able to pay for the pensions of future pensioners?
Whilst the UK has benefited from some immigration it has not benefited from mass immigration. We have opened our borders to people who think that the Minimum Wage is an attractive remuneration. Employers exploit the Minimum Wage in such a way that it becomes the Maximum Wage. Immigrants on the Minimum Wage consequently rely on State Benefits in order to survive.
Far from importing wealth creators, the Tories and Labour have opened our borders to hundreds of thousands of low skilled and low paid immigrants. Will these people ever earn sufficient to be able to pay for the pensions of future pensioners?
So increase the minimum wage! This habit of Outters blaming everything on the EU and immigrants is now really tedious and tiresome.
What do you mean "failed politicians"? You mean politicians you don't agree with. That does not equate to "failure". I disagreed with lots Thatcher did. She was eventually deposed. She was an enormously successful politician.
Like so many conspiracists, you seem to hate everyone other than the current messiah who has you under his spell. "Trump with a thesaurus". Do you REALLY. for one millisecond think that Bojo has the faintest care for the wider population? What gives you that idea? He's been mayor of London for 8 years and done absolutely nothing whatsoever. Rolled over to every Chinese oligarch, misused funding, failed totally in housing, covered up incriminating pollution data - the list is endless. All he left us was a vanity project in the form of a bus that is unfit for purpose and actually looks a bit like him. Ironically.
There's a lot more to Boris than you will ever accept, but never mind, if you don't understand it, that's your loss. You rant about him because you disagree with him, obviously, given your 'logic'. He was a better Mayor of London than iithe one before and this one looks like being (caught out for going back on a manifesto promise after a month, not bad going). That may not say much, and he's not perfect, but none of them are.
And if in your book Cameron, Blair, Mandelson, Prescott, Clegg, etc etc are or were raging successes and You trust them so much, you do what they say.
If was in hospital needing treatment then I wouldn't care who was looking after me as long as they were qualified. If importing people helps cut waiting lists and improve services then surely it is a good thing.
You have to get Into hospital first, not sit in a queue of ambulances outside because of the huge demand over the last few years, but never mind small details.
no-one at the moment.:D
it appears to be a free for all. we have net migration levels at 320,000 hoping that some of them are doctors, nurses etc.
Actually, it is the market which decides how many come here to work and what skills they have. If hospitals need more doctors and nurses then those jobs are advertised and the are open to applications from anywhere in the EU. You don't get qualified medical professionals sitting around on the dole waiting for a job to land in their lap.
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Another demonstrable, cast iron, nailed on, unedited media, bookies wouldn't touch it with a bargepole opinion?
And she thinks that's a good thing??
If was in hospital needing treatment then I wouldn't care who was looking after me as long as they were qualified. If importing people helps cut waiting lists and improve services then surely it is a good thing.
The point is how have we got in a situation of letting in more people than we have nurses /doctors to look after our population. How does the NHS budget not knowing the immigration flow. If we didn't have such a large population we wouldn't need more nurses/ doctors
The Leave camp wiping the floor with the remain robots who had to resort to personal attacks. And then a bonus at Question Time, Eddie Izzard's performance for remain was, well... wow... in fact, no sorry I've changed my mind. It was so BRILLIANT that I hope he represents remain every day until the 23rd. Thank you Eddie, you're a star!
And as you know I am against the Green Party being identified with one individual such as Caroline.
The Green Party is not personality based, it is ideology based.
An ideology that is Green.
Some people put the planet and the welfare of animals above that of humans.
That is not socialist.
Most people see work as there for us, not us there for work. That is not socialist.
Greens want a sustainable society and economy, that is being Green not socialist.
Some vegetarians have right wing ideologies which is why the Brighton Green Council went wrong when it tried to force its vegetarianism on Council workers.
Being Green is a lot more complicated than just being left or right wing.
Non of this is the fault of the EU or immigration. The fault lies with the UK govt past and present.
Outters have one line: Blame All The UK's Problems On The EU And Immigrants. Not only are you letting the UK govt 'off the hook'...
...and this can be tackled by the UK govt. Why aren't they? More housing / rent caps and controls / getting to grips with the dodgy private rental sector? Why are you engaged in buck passing when the blame lies fairly and squarely at Number 10's door?
She also happens to be telling the truth.
The UK benefits from immigration. Immigration is a strength of the nation. Immigrants are net contributors to the economy.
Yes so the indigenous population has done nothing to create this great county?
It was all immigrants who worked down the mines, and who were nurses before immigration rose, and who fought in the two great wars?
immigrants. cos, apparantly we brits are too lazy to do the jobs they do.:D
Where is the money coming from?
Are you happy to pay more tax to fund this?
What increase is needed financially to increase public services so that it can cope with the demand, not only based on current population but also with the additional numbers that will continue to come? As you know, even Cameron himself said on this weeks debate that he can no longer put a figure on it.
People are blaming government policy and failure to plan for its consequences. Here, 'immigration' is just a shorthand for a number of things that sit in the same bundle.
Or we can just keep mis-characterising opposing arguments instead of actually getting anywhere.
Some people benefit some don't in the UK. Having the migrants to fill gaps is good, having unlimited and uncontrolled immigration is not. As to net contributors I doubt it once you add rent subsidies, tax credits, top ups etc. if they are in many cases on minimum or low wage. Then of course unlimited access to the NHS and Schooling for them and any family they are supposedly supporting.
Here is her verdict on last night's debate, which generally ties in with the view on here, but not, interestingly enough, on the opinion pieces in the MSM which were quite complimentary about Rudd.
If this was the reaction of other undecideds, then remain may well be in trouble
Oh this old chestnut.
Andrea from Leave nailed that one.
It's a matter of putting controls on the number of people we want with the skills we need. Don't know what is so difficult to grasp about this.
Who determines what those numbers and skills are?
no-one at the moment.:D
it appears to be a free for all. we have net migration levels at 320,000 hoping that some of them are doctors, nurses etc.
i'm wondering if any of the 77,000 who came here from the EU, without a job offer (in the latest released figures) have actually got jobs yet.
Whilst the UK has benefited from some immigration it has not benefited from mass immigration. We have opened our borders to people who think that the Minimum Wage is an attractive remuneration. Employers exploit the Minimum Wage in such a way that it becomes the Maximum Wage. Immigrants on the Minimum Wage consequently rely on State Benefits in order to survive.
Far from importing wealth creators, the Tories and Labour have opened our borders to hundreds of thousands of low skilled and low paid immigrants. Will these people ever earn sufficient to be able to pay for the pensions of future pensioners?
So increase the minimum wage! This habit of Outters blaming everything on the EU and immigrants is now really tedious and tiresome.
There's a lot more to Boris than you will ever accept, but never mind, if you don't understand it, that's your loss. You rant about him because you disagree with him, obviously, given your 'logic'. He was a better Mayor of London than iithe one before and this one looks like being (caught out for going back on a manifesto promise after a month, not bad going). That may not say much, and he's not perfect, but none of them are.
And if in your book Cameron, Blair, Mandelson, Prescott, Clegg, etc etc are or were raging successes and You trust them so much, you do what they say.
You have to get Into hospital first, not sit in a queue of ambulances outside because of the huge demand over the last few years, but never mind small details.
Actually, it is the market which decides how many come here to work and what skills they have. If hospitals need more doctors and nurses then those jobs are advertised and the are open to applications from anywhere in the EU. You don't get qualified medical professionals sitting around on the dole waiting for a job to land in their lap.