Some people are saying that the TV trailer has gave Clara's secret away completely but I wouldn't say so. Why would they put that in there if it's the answer to the arc, there must be more to it than that surely.
Anyway, could the TARDIS be the eleventh of something? Like this the 11th version of this TARDIS because the doctor has had to repair it that many times or something? I was just wondering because we do see it fall in the trailer.
It feels like the conclusion to a story arc that we haven't even seen !! If it's focussed on who Clara is then it will be a damp squib because they haven't built a character we care about. If it's about who the Doctor is then I'm not sure that's somewhere we should be going..not in 45 minutes.
This looks like another bit of Moffatt "cleverness" with no emotional investment.
It feels like the conclusion to a story arc that we haven't even seen !! If it's focussed on who Clara is then it will be a damp squib because they haven't built a character we care about. If it's about who the Doctor is then I'm not sure that's somewhere we should be going..not in 45 minutes.
This looks like another bit of Moffatt "cleverness" with no emotional investment.
I think some of us care about her character. I think the reason she hasn't been built up to much is to show how little the Doctor knows about her and we're seeing that from his point of view.
It feels like the conclusion to a story arc that we haven't even seen !! If it's focussed on who Clara is then it will be a damp squib because they haven't built a character we care about. If it's about who the Doctor is then I'm not sure that's somewhere we should be going..not in 45 minutes.
This looks like another bit of Moffatt "cleverness" with no emotional investment.
Other than the conversation that never happened in 'Journey', I feel like The Doctor and Clara haven't really spoken to each other at all. Mainly a bunch of one-liners and plot exposition.
Keeping an emotional distance, I suppose is natural, for The Doctor, given the recent Pond arc, and the fact he's obsessed with her being an 'Impossible Girl'. But from Clara's side, it's like wtf. She's been very laid-back and seemingly 'perfect' in every situation they've been in thus far - her characterization has been all over the place, I feel.
The most interesting thing she's done really is in 'Journey'; she went up to that book as though 1) she knew it was there and 2) with purpose.
I still personally feel The Doctor's quick assumption on her being a trap etc. will in turn lead her to becoming 'special' [and then being used by TGI as a distraction].
Think she's just a normal [albeit badly written / inconsistent across episodes] girl atm.
Splitting a series in half like this didn't exactly help with arc pacing from the offset as it is...
I agree a bit that Clara hasn't really been developed much, and there doesn't seem to have been much genuine interaction between her and The Doctor. It also seems a bit disappointing that after six episodes, we're still in the same place as we were in episode one concerning her mystery.
I love the fact for the first time ever we are seeing from the Doctors perspective...how much do we know about Clara?
The point is i think to be entirely different to the Ponds and indeed Amy in the fact we knew her as a child, we grew up with Amy and Rory...we cared for them and became attatched to them...whereas with Clara we have not...we have seen her in three different time zones thus far and only seen minor progresion over the weeks....but its been steady progression...and everything will come to a head in this finale i feel...i care about Clara, i care about the Doctor and i care about Strax, Vastra and Jenny and i love the fact that Richard.E.grant will be there manipulating everything and the Whispermen look ingeniusly scary and so glad RIver will be back....and i think it will be a very forward thinking episode that will resolve the "fall of the eleventh" arc, resolve the Trenzalore arc and will resolve Claras mystery as to who she is and her purpose in different timelines....andin doing so leave everything open for the 50th and series 8
Interesting teasers in that pack, I wonder who the Doctor kisses and I have a feeling it's not Clara. Looks like If those comments are from Clara that she might revisit Oswin/Victorian Clara?
The DVD has been shipped early in some part of the US. Good job. There's a blogger who has snapped the proof - but won't reveal anything. Kudos to him.
The DVD has been shipped early in some part of the US. Good job. There's a blogger who has snapped the proof - but won't reveal anything. Kudos to him.
Oh dear, yes, just saw that posted on GB...what are the chances that everyone will be so principled....I wonder if the beeb will be on alert to scour Youtube and order anything posted early to be taken down.
Here is the full synopsis and character list, haven't seen it posted yet:
[spolier]
Writer - Steven Moffat
Director - Saul Metzstein
Producer - Marcus Wilson
The Doctor - Matt Smith
Clara - Jenna-Louise Coleman
River Song - Alex Kingston
Dr Simeon - Richard E Grant
Vastra - Neve McIntosh
Jenny - Catrin Stewart
Strax - Dan Starkey
Angie - Eve de Leon Allen
Artie - Kassius Carey Johnson
Andro - Nasi Voutsas
Fabian - David Avery
Clarence - Michael Jenn
Archie - Rab Affleck
Messenger Boy - Samuel Irvine
Young Clara - Sophie Downham
Whisper Man - Paul Kasey
Synopsis: Clara is summoned to an impossible conference call, alerting her that the deadly Whisper Men are closing in on Vastra, Jenny and Strax. Someone is kidnapping the Doctor’s friends, leading him toward the one place in all of time and space that he should never go. It’s a deadly trap that threatens to unravel his past, present and future…
I take it we won't be getting the Silence in this then?
Thought for sure we would be considering it is their job to stop the question being asked. This is the end of their story basically isn't it?
Whisper Men look just as scary though
I take it we won't be getting the Silence in this then?
Thought for sure we would be considering it is their job to stop the question being asked. This is the end of their story basically isn't it?
Whisper Men look just as scary though
Not sure whether the great intelligence is a part of the Silence brigade or not....but maybe that will be left for series 8....Madame Kovarian, Silence, Davros team up would be pretty sweet and epic!
We will see, but agreed the Whispermen look freaky as anything!
The Great Intelligence kidnaps the Doctors friends, including River Song. They go to the graveyard planet Trenzalore. They find the Doctor’s eventual grave, which is the TARDIS. The only way to get in is to speak the Doctor’s name, which River Song does. Inside, there is a sort of web of light, and at the center, a shining white light there is the corpse of the Doctor. It’s a web of all the Doctors timelines. The Great Intelligence enters and kills the Doctor in each of them. Clara goes in to save him in each timeline, and dies each time. Doctor goes in to save her. [/SPOILER
The Great Intelligence kidnaps the Doctors friends, including River Song. They go to the graveyard planet Trenzalore. They find the Doctor’s eventual grave, which is the TARDIS. The only way to get in is to speak the Doctor’s name, which River Song does. Inside, there is a sort of web of light, and at the center, a shining white light there is the corpse of the Doctor. It’s a web of all the Doctors timelines. The Great Intelligence enters and kills the Doctor in each of them. Clara goes in to save him in each timeline, and dies each time. Doctor goes in to save her. [/SPOILER
I think it's something The Whispermen have done to him. We see them attacking him in the trailer.
What abilities do we think they'll have? Memory control is probably one of them given Strax seemingly not knowing who Vastra is.
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Anyway, could the TARDIS be the eleventh of something? Like this the 11th version of this TARDIS because the doctor has had to repair it that many times or something? I was just wondering because we do see it fall in the trailer.
It feels like the conclusion to a story arc that we haven't even seen !! If it's focussed on who Clara is then it will be a damp squib because they haven't built a character we care about. If it's about who the Doctor is then I'm not sure that's somewhere we should be going..not in 45 minutes.
This looks like another bit of Moffatt "cleverness" with no emotional investment.
I think some of us care about her character. I think the reason she hasn't been built up to much is to show how little the Doctor knows about her and we're seeing that from his point of view.
Other than the conversation that never happened in 'Journey', I feel like The Doctor and Clara haven't really spoken to each other at all. Mainly a bunch of one-liners and plot exposition.
Keeping an emotional distance, I suppose is natural, for The Doctor, given the recent Pond arc, and the fact he's obsessed with her being an 'Impossible Girl'. But from Clara's side, it's like wtf. She's been very laid-back and seemingly 'perfect' in every situation they've been in thus far - her characterization has been all over the place, I feel.
The most interesting thing she's done really is in 'Journey'; she went up to that book as though 1) she knew it was there and 2) with purpose.
I still personally feel The Doctor's quick assumption on her being a trap etc. will in turn lead her to becoming 'special' [and then being used by TGI as a distraction].
Think she's just a normal [albeit badly written / inconsistent across episodes] girl atm.
Splitting a series in half like this didn't exactly help with arc pacing from the offset as it is...
The point is i think to be entirely different to the Ponds and indeed Amy in the fact we knew her as a child, we grew up with Amy and Rory...we cared for them and became attatched to them...whereas with Clara we have not...we have seen her in three different time zones thus far and only seen minor progresion over the weeks....but its been steady progression...and everything will come to a head in this finale i feel...i care about Clara, i care about the Doctor and i care about Strax, Vastra and Jenny and i love the fact that Richard.E.grant will be there manipulating everything and the Whispermen look ingeniusly scary and so glad RIver will be back....and i think it will be a very forward thinking episode that will resolve the "fall of the eleventh" arc, resolve the Trenzalore arc and will resolve Claras mystery as to who she is and her purpose in different timelines....andin doing so leave everything open for the 50th and series 8
Interesting teasers in that pack, I wonder who the Doctor kisses and I have a feeling it's not Clara. Looks like If those comments are from Clara that she might revisit Oswin/Victorian Clara?
Oh dear, yes, just saw that posted on GB...what are the chances that everyone will be so principled....I wonder if the beeb will be on alert to scour Youtube and order anything posted early to be taken down.
http://www.combom.co.uk/2013/05/skaros-10-teasers-doctor-who-name-of.html?m=1
Moffat speaks to Cultbox -
http://www.cultbox.co.uk/news/headlines/6854-doctor-who-finale-is-quite-a-dark-episode-says-moffat
[spolier]
Writer - Steven Moffat
Director - Saul Metzstein
Producer - Marcus Wilson
The Doctor - Matt Smith
Clara - Jenna-Louise Coleman
River Song - Alex Kingston
Dr Simeon - Richard E Grant
Vastra - Neve McIntosh
Jenny - Catrin Stewart
Strax - Dan Starkey
Angie - Eve de Leon Allen
Artie - Kassius Carey Johnson
Andro - Nasi Voutsas
Fabian - David Avery
Clarence - Michael Jenn
Archie - Rab Affleck
Messenger Boy - Samuel Irvine
Young Clara - Sophie Downham
Whisper Man - Paul Kasey
Synopsis: Clara is summoned to an impossible conference call, alerting her that the deadly Whisper Men are closing in on Vastra, Jenny and Strax. Someone is kidnapping the Doctor’s friends, leading him toward the one place in all of time and space that he should never go. It’s a deadly trap that threatens to unravel his past, present and future…
Airtime: 19:00 BST (GMT+1) BBC ONE
[/spolier]
Ooooo :O
Source: http://www.combom.co.uk/2013/05/doctor-who-series-7-name-of-doctor.html
Still excited though
I don't think it can be any longer than 45 as Eurovision is straight after.
Hmm young Clara that must suggest Clara remembers meeting him as her parents aren't named
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/doctorwho/articles/The-Name-of-the-Finale
Oh that would be sweet.
I agree, although I'm quite a saddo when it comes to opening credits
Thought for sure we would be considering it is their job to stop the question being asked. This is the end of their story basically isn't it?
Whisper Men look just as scary though
Not sure whether the great intelligence is a part of the Silence brigade or not....but maybe that will be left for series 8....Madame Kovarian, Silence, Davros team up
We will see, but agreed the Whispermen look freaky as anything!
How about putting this into a spoiler tag?
hmmm... Doctor Who Cluedo... I wonder if that would sell...
What abilities do we think they'll have? Memory control is probably one of them given Strax seemingly not knowing who Vastra is.