Just been thinking about the series as a whole, and I concluded that the body count was quite high - a bit unrealistically so, in fact almost a Midsomer Murders scale of carnage.
Oliie himself (unless you're a member of the Ollie Lives brigade).
The undercover cop who got his throat slashed.
Emily's dad (yes I know, not related to the murders, but still a death just the same).
Ian Garrett.
Khalid Ziane.
Vincent Bourg (yes, suicide, but directly related to the events around Ollie's death).
The Mayor (ditto).
Soon to be joined by his brother Alain; a natural death, but once again precipitated by all of the foregoing events.
No wonder the public deserted Chalons in droves; the place is clearly haunted by the Grim Reaper.
Not all missing children have "happy" endings do they? I enjoyed all eight episodes and like to think Ollie did die rather than get into the hands of peodophiles.
I actually thought the Romanians were drug traffickers. Weren't they? Where was it suggested they were a paedophile ring. It was Ian and Vincent that sent us thinking that way.
The writers of this substandard whodunnit that gripped the nation because they put in red herrings the size of whales in each episode.
The same writers who then used the most discredited of plot devices that any writer worth his salt would not use ie: a death bed confession to solve a crime
With this type of cv, excuse me if their tolerant views on paedophilia are not something that any sane person will be proud of.
They are apologists for peadophiles who collect images or rape children in the most heinous ways. There is no grey areas. It is scum who do it.
Rubbish. They did not glorify peadophillia. Garrett was murdered because of the disgusting crimes he did. Bourg hanged himself because he didn't want to be one.
Rubbish. They did not glorify peadophillia. Garrett was murdered because of the disgusting crimes he did. Bourg hanged himself because he didn't want to be one.
Agreed....they absolutely did not glorify paedophilia. They, merely, portrayed the different mind-sets of the two men.
Finally got round to watching this last night (damned Christmas parties!)
I enjoyed the potentially ambiguous ending - the Emily school of thought (he's dead so move on) and the Tony version (there's no proof he'd dead so I'm never going to give up looking)
There were a few unsatisfactory bits - no blood found as evidence at the scene of the accident even though the area was being searched, Oliver being thought dead but then able to climb up the stairs and be up at the windows . . . but I did like the majority of the pieces falling into place (the scarf, the reason Olly left etc) and the number of red herrings that were introduced
Rubbish. They did not glorify peadophillia. Garrett was murdered because of the disgusting crimes he did. Bourg hanged himself because he didn't want to be one.
Agreed....they absolutely did not glorify paedophilia. They, merely, portrayed the different mind-sets of the two men.
Ultimately, they both died !!
You used the words glorify. I did not.
BBC and these writers showed pedophiles in a sympathetic light. Especially Bourg. this man collected child pornography and probably distributed it. BBC attempted to show the conflicts in his mind and therefore try and garner sympathy for him in ours. That was insidious and they should be ashamed of it. Especially as they had Rolf harris, Saville and numerous other disgusting sexual predators of children in their books.
What next a documentary about Saville and his charity work. His internal conflicts about his mothers love, his own sexuality and the love he felt for the handicapped. Pass me the sick bucket please.
Finally got round to watching this last night (damned Christmas parties!)
I enjoyed the potentially ambiguous ending - the Emily school of thought (he's dead so move on) and the Tony version (there's no proof he'd dead so I'm never going to give up looking)
There were a few unsatisfactory bits - no blood found as evidence at the scene of the accident even though the area was being searched, Oliver being thought dead but then able to climb up the stairs and be up at the windows . . . but I did like the majority of the pieces falling into place (the scarf, the reason Olly left etc) and the number of red herrings that were introduced
On the whole, a good drama
You actually liked the reason Olly left.......for a fox......through undergrowth.....:D
It was the most stupid part of the story in a stupidly written story in my opinion.
When a mystery is resolved in a death bed confession and every lead was a con and a fox has to be blamed.........that is BBC and Williams brothers for you.
I was totally mesmerised by this series. During the entire 8 weeks, I was never, ever, bored.
Although, I mentally queried why the mother of a missing child would give away her son's favourite toy - that, certainly, didn't ring true....... I did 'get' the ending. The writers were never going to allow Tony, ' A happy ending.'
Award nominations have been mentioned for Frances O'Connor The 'Stars' of the series, for me, were James Nesbitt & the very delectable Tcheky Karyo ;-)
I stopped watching at the point she gave away Ollie's fox, it is so definitely not what any mother would do, I have just reunited my 34 year old son with his cuddly E.T, which I kept all through his travelling and living in different areas and indeed countries, both of us, you just would not give away something that they loved, she would at the very least given it to his dad. It irritated me so much that I could not be bothered to watch any more. son was quite happy to find that I still had his He Man and Optimus Prime as well!
BBC and these writers showed pedophiles in a sympathetic light. Especially Bourg. this man collected child pornography and probably distributed it. BBC attempted to show the conflicts in his mind and therefore try and garner sympathy for him in ours. That was insidious and they should be ashamed of it. Especially as they had Rolf harris, Saville and numerous other disgusting sexual predators of children in their books.
What next a documentary about Saville and his charity work. His internal conflicts about his mothers love, his own sexuality and the love he felt for the handicapped. Pass me the sick bucket please.
You are wrong. They showed how pedophiles can appear to be normal. This happens in everyday life. No one can tell if someone is like that, They can hide their secret. Bourg didn't abuse anybody and didn't what to be like that, that's why he killed himself. If anything, it showed how wrong peadophila is. You are going over the top about this. It was a drama, not a documentary.
You actually liked the reason Olly left.......for a fox......through undergrowth.....:D
It was the most stupid part of the story in a stupidly written story in my opinion.
When a mystery is resolved in a death bed confession and every lead was a con and a fox has to be blamed.........that is BBC and Williams brothers for you.
They've done this kind of junk before?
It was the most stupid part of the story in a stupidly written story in my opinion.
I stopped watching at the point she gave away Ollie's fox, it is so definitely not what any mother would do, I have just reunited my 34 year old son with his cuddly E.T, which I kept all through his travelling and living in different areas and indeed countries, both of us, you just would not give away something that they loved, she would at the very least given it to his dad. It irritated me so much that I could not be bothered to watch any more. son was quite happy to find that I still had his He Man and Optimus Prime as well!
I'm guessing your son is a similar age to mine. I'll never forget that nightmare Christmas trying desperately to get Optimus Prime - I got him something else instead (a very expensive state of the art transformer thing from Selfridges) >:(and he got a belated Optimus Prime in January
You actually liked the reason Olly left.......for a fox......through undergrowth.....:D
It was the most stupid part of the story in a stupidly written story in my opinion.
When a mystery is resolved in a death bed confession and every lead was a con and a fox has to be blamed.........that is BBC and Williams brothers for you.
The fox wasn't to blame for Ollie's death. The spinelessness of Alain and the corruptibility of Georges and the ruthlessness of the Romanian thug who murdered him in cold blood were the culprits, not the fox.
The series was sympathetic towards Bourgs impossible position rather than just trying to give the impression he's a pedophile but he hasn't hurt anyone so we should have sympathy.
To be honest it's one of the hardest questions in life to find an answer too for me.
Should we start treating pedophiles who ask for help with more understanding and not make them fearful of coming forward to ask for that help.
The only way we can stop them from being afraid to come forward is treat them with care and understanding. i think i know what needs to be done, i would just find it impossible for myself to do this.
You actually liked the reason Olly left.......for a fox......through undergrowth.....:D
It was the most stupid part of the story in a stupidly written story in my opinion.
When a mystery is resolved in a death bed confession and every lead was a con and a fox has to be blamed.........that is BBC and Williams brothers for you.
why do you think it was stupid ?
children often wander off when they see something that interests them , especially animals , and we know Ollie liked foxes .
A few days to digest the ending, and all of a sudden I find that I have come round to the Tony camp after all.
Far from having closure after Alain's revelations, he - and by extension we - were left with a freshly opened wound because Olly was murdered, and his murderer got away with it, and the chances seem to be very small indeed that Costel will ever be brought to justice for his crime, or that anyone will even make much effort to find him.
No, I'm sorry, Brothers in Crime, but now that I can think straighter about the ending of this drama, I'm afraid I don't think it stands up as an ending in the slightest. Not even if you do plan to throw us a few crumbs about a hunt for Costel in the next series.
As it stands, that outcome wouldn't have been okay for Emily, nor for Julien, nor hopefully for any of the rest of the cast. And least of all for Tony.
A few days to digest the ending, and all of a sudden I find that I have come round to the Tony camp after all.
Far from having closure after Alain's revelations, he - and by extension we - were left with a freshly opened wound because Olly was murdered, and his murderer got away with it, and the chances seem to be very small indeed that Costel will ever be brought to justice for his crime, or that anyone will even make much effort to find him.
No, I'm sorry, Brothers in Crime, but now that I can think straighter about the ending of this drama, I'm afraid I don't think it stands up as an ending in the slightest. Not even if you do plan to throw us a few crumbs about a hunt for Costel in the next series.
As it stands, that outcome wouldn't have been okay for Emily, nor for Julien, nor hopefully for any of the rest of the cast. And least of all for Tony.
I agree - especially with the BIB. For Ollie to be murdered so senselessly and needlessly just left you with a feeling of outrage and helplessness. Unlike Broadchurch, we didn't know if Ollie was dead or alive and the whole 8 weeks we had a glimmer of hope that he might be alive somewhere. We hoped that the emotional torture that Tony and Emily were going through, would eventually come to an end. That didn't happen.
I came away from it feeling frustrated, sad and infuriated. Admittedly, if it wasn't such a strong drama with brilliant acting, writing and cinematography, I wouldn't have cared less about the outcome, so from that point of view it was a brilliant piece of work. But I didn't like the ending.
You actually liked the reason Olly left.......for a fox......through undergrowth.....:D
It was the most stupid part of the story in a stupidly written story in my opinion.
When a mystery is resolved in a death bed confession and every lead was a con and a fox has to be blamed.........that is BBC and Williams brothers for you.
I didn't dislike it. His parents said he loved animals, the fox looked quite tame and he could easily have been distracted by it and followed it
You actually liked the reason Olly left.......for a fox......through undergrowth.....:D
It was the most stupid part of the story in a stupidly written story in my opinion.
When a mystery is resolved in a death bed confession and every lead was a con and a fox has to be blamed.........that is BBC and Williams brothers for you.
BBC and these writers showed pedophiles in a sympathetic light. Especially Bourg. this man collected child pornography and probably distributed it. BBC attempted to show the conflicts in his mind and therefore try and garner sympathy for him in ours. That was insidious and they should be ashamed of it. Especially as they had Rolf harris, Saville and numerous other disgusting sexual predators of children in their books.
As usual you seem to miss the point of everything, apart from spending an inordinate amount of time trolling on here..:(
I'm guessing your son is a similar age to mine. I'll never forget that nightmare Christmas trying desperately to get Optimus Prime - I got him something else instead (a very expensive state of the art transformer thing from Selfridges) >:(and he got a belated Optimus Prime in January
Oh, I remember traipsing around trying to find the Pac Man board game one year, it was all he had asked for, none to be had anywhere, and the year he opened all his BMX stuff (from aunts and uncles) bike was outside but he just said 'maybe Santa will bring a bike next time'.....made me feel so guilty even though the bike was outside! lol
^Apologists for pedophiles?? Were you watching The Missing or reading Richard Dawkins?
Last year, he wrote the following:
"I look back a few decades to my childhood and see things like caning, like mild pedophilia, and can’t find it in me to condemn it by the same standards as I or anyone would today."
He mentions how his Art teacher "pulled me on his knee and put his hand inside my shorts" but instisted, "I don't think he did any of us lasting harm."
After outrage ensued, he Tweeted: "Non-consensual sex is always bad. But raping an 8-year-old to death is quantitatively worse than ‘touching inappropriately,"
Richard Dawkins is disgusting! >:(
Never could stand people who shove their ideology down other people's throats, whether its a religion or militant Atheism.... but his defence of so-called "mild pedophiia" is even more despicable!
I've just rewatched the scene where Rini meets up with her brother and the Romanian throat slasher in the cafe when the police are waiting outside - and the Romanian says to Rini "it's too soon to talk about Oliver" just before he slashes her throat.
So the police knew that he knew something about Oliver's disappearance in 2006. That seemed to be forgotten about in the aftermath of Rini having her throat slashed.
5400 posts on this thread and still going!
That says a lot about the success and appeal of this drama, especially since there is such a range of views,all valid.
BBC and these writers showed pedophiles in a sympathetic light. Especially Bourg. this man collected child pornography and probably distributed it. BBC attempted to show the conflicts in his mind and therefore try and garner sympathy for him in ours. That was insidious and they should be ashamed of it. Especially as they had Rolf harris, Saville and numerous other disgusting sexual predators of children in their books.
please.
IMO, those paedophiles were not shown in a sympathetic light. They showed them as they were - with the repercussions that followed.
Having read your posting history, on this thread - I am hardly likely to change your mind, though...............Am I ?
5400 posts on this thread and still going!
That says a lot about the success and appeal of this drama, especially since there is
such a range of views,all valid.
Indeed, all in all, a great series ....Those who want to find faults, will always do so
I am out of here....beginning to act like Tony, unable to let go :D
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Oh and good golly, how did I come to miss Mollie?
His knickers would've had a few skid marks on them though
I actually thought the Romanians were drug traffickers. Weren't they? Where was it suggested they were a paedophile ring. It was Ian and Vincent that sent us thinking that way.
Agreed....they absolutely did not glorify paedophilia. They, merely, portrayed the different mind-sets of the two men.
Ultimately, they both died !!
I enjoyed the potentially ambiguous ending - the Emily school of thought (he's dead so move on) and the Tony version (there's no proof he'd dead so I'm never going to give up looking)
There were a few unsatisfactory bits - no blood found as evidence at the scene of the accident even though the area was being searched, Oliver being thought dead but then able to climb up the stairs and be up at the windows . . . but I did like the majority of the pieces falling into place (the scarf, the reason Olly left etc) and the number of red herrings that were introduced
On the whole, a good drama
You used the words glorify. I did not.
BBC and these writers showed pedophiles in a sympathetic light. Especially Bourg. this man collected child pornography and probably distributed it. BBC attempted to show the conflicts in his mind and therefore try and garner sympathy for him in ours. That was insidious and they should be ashamed of it. Especially as they had Rolf harris, Saville and numerous other disgusting sexual predators of children in their books.
What next a documentary about Saville and his charity work. His internal conflicts about his mothers love, his own sexuality and the love he felt for the handicapped. Pass me the sick bucket please.
You actually liked the reason Olly left.......for a fox......through undergrowth.....:D
It was the most stupid part of the story in a stupidly written story in my opinion.
When a mystery is resolved in a death bed confession and every lead was a con and a fox has to be blamed.........that is BBC and Williams brothers for you.
I stopped watching at the point she gave away Ollie's fox, it is so definitely not what any mother would do, I have just reunited my 34 year old son with his cuddly E.T, which I kept all through his travelling and living in different areas and indeed countries, both of us, you just would not give away something that they loved, she would at the very least given it to his dad. It irritated me so much that I could not be bothered to watch any more. son was quite happy to find that I still had his He Man and Optimus Prime as well!
They've done this kind of junk before?
It was the most stupid part of the story in a stupidly written story in my opinion.
Gotta agree with you.
I'm guessing your son is a similar age to mine. I'll never forget that nightmare Christmas trying desperately to get Optimus Prime - I got him something else instead (a very expensive state of the art transformer thing from Selfridges) >:(and he got a belated Optimus Prime in January
The fox wasn't to blame for Ollie's death. The spinelessness of Alain and the corruptibility of Georges and the ruthlessness of the Romanian thug who murdered him in cold blood were the culprits, not the fox.
To be honest it's one of the hardest questions in life to find an answer too for me.
Should we start treating pedophiles who ask for help with more understanding and not make them fearful of coming forward to ask for that help.
The only way we can stop them from being afraid to come forward is treat them with care and understanding. i think i know what needs to be done, i would just find it impossible for myself to do this.
why do you think it was stupid ?
children often wander off when they see something that interests them , especially animals , and we know Ollie liked foxes .
.
Far from having closure after Alain's revelations, he - and by extension we - were left with a freshly opened wound because Olly was murdered, and his murderer got away with it, and the chances seem to be very small indeed that Costel will ever be brought to justice for his crime, or that anyone will even make much effort to find him.
No, I'm sorry, Brothers in Crime, but now that I can think straighter about the ending of this drama, I'm afraid I don't think it stands up as an ending in the slightest. Not even if you do plan to throw us a few crumbs about a hunt for Costel in the next series.
As it stands, that outcome wouldn't have been okay for Emily, nor for Julien, nor hopefully for any of the rest of the cast. And least of all for Tony.
I agree - especially with the BIB. For Ollie to be murdered so senselessly and needlessly just left you with a feeling of outrage and helplessness. Unlike Broadchurch, we didn't know if Ollie was dead or alive and the whole 8 weeks we had a glimmer of hope that he might be alive somewhere. We hoped that the emotional torture that Tony and Emily were going through, would eventually come to an end. That didn't happen.
I came away from it feeling frustrated, sad and infuriated. Admittedly, if it wasn't such a strong drama with brilliant acting, writing and cinematography, I wouldn't have cared less about the outcome, so from that point of view it was a brilliant piece of work. But I didn't like the ending.
I didn't dislike it. His parents said he loved animals, the fox looked quite tame and he could easily have been distracted by it and followed it
If it was good enough for Lewis Carroll . . . .
As usual you seem to miss the point of everything, apart from spending an inordinate amount of time trolling on here..:(
Oh, I remember traipsing around trying to find the Pac Man board game one year, it was all he had asked for, none to be had anywhere, and the year he opened all his BMX stuff (from aunts and uncles) bike was outside but he just said 'maybe Santa will bring a bike next time'.....made me feel so guilty even though the bike was outside! lol
Richard Dawkins is disgusting! >:(
Never could stand people who shove their ideology down other people's throats, whether its a religion or militant Atheism.... but his defence of so-called "mild pedophiia" is even more despicable!
So the police knew that he knew something about Oliver's disappearance in 2006. That seemed to be forgotten about in the aftermath of Rini having her throat slashed.
That says a lot about the success and appeal of this drama, especially since there is such a range of views,all valid.
IMO, those paedophiles were not shown in a sympathetic light. They showed them as they were - with the repercussions that followed.
Having read your posting history, on this thread - I am hardly likely to change your mind, though...............Am I ?
Indeed, all in all, a great series
I am out of here....beginning to act like Tony, unable to let go
Happy Xmas/ Holidays to you all x
Might give it a go if it is.