So when Chris Evans has been driven off the breakfast show by closed minded people not willing to give him a chance, who exactly does everyone suggests takes over from him?
The same could be said for all of them. I'm not a Wogan fan either, but I think he had more to offer than Evans. He has done a variety of different things over the years, including hosting a talk show.
So has Chris, of course. I would flatly disagree that Wogan has or had more to offer, and I think a comparison of their breakfast shows provides a vivid demonstration that he offered much less.
People like the late Benny Green, Humph, Malcolm Laycock and currently, Desmond Carrington, David Jacobs, Russell Davies, Alyn Shipton, Michael Parkinson and Paul Barnes all play records but have a talent of conveying information in a grown-up manner.
It seems to me that you're equating a more sedate and gentle style with being "grown up", which I don't really think is justified.
Radio Two over the years has become Radio Tabloid. It wasn't supposed to become that.
My impression is that it's always been a popular / personality show for people who have grown a bit too old for youth radio offered by R1, and it still is. It's inevitable that it will sound different from the way it did 30 years ago, simply because it has moved with the times, albeit rather too sluggishly for my own liking in some respects.
There is no radio for grown-ups available outside a few specialist programmes. Even Classic FM dumbs its subject down by having charts....
I'm 49. The average age of Chris' Drivetime show was, I understand, 53. The notion that those of us who enjoy a more vibrant, more entertaining style of radio have failed to grow up is itself not particularly "grown up", I'm afraid.
So when Chris Evans has been driven off the breakfast show by closed minded people not willing to give him a chance, who exactly does everyone suggests takes over from him?
He won't be. If anything the furore from the disgruntled minority was worse in 2006 when he took over Drivetime. The BBC made a few diplomatic noises in the direction of the malcontents, then essentially ignored them, to its credit.
I didn't say it was a talentless profession and I listed some of those people who have talent.
Well you said that "all he does is spin records and chat" or something similar, and that applies equally well to any of the (imo considerably less talented) presenters you listed.
He hasn't succeed in keeping many of Wogan's listeners involved. Many have switched off in disgust.
What is stylish about the breakfast show?
Well, we don't know how many. Once again, I've heard this before, in 2006. He managed to keep a healthy number of Radio Two listeners tuned in nonetheless.
I think the style is in the way the ideas flow; the choice of background music for some of the features for example is inspired. The way he maintains the atmosphere, the sense of occasion, and manages to make the show even more than the sum of its considerable parts, morning after morning.
He's really hit his stride now and this morning's show was absolutely superb. Wonderful to hear Radio Two with its foot down hard on the quality pedal.
The colossal flop that was Jazz FM in London would seem to be a bit of a pointer.
Jazz Fm failed because it didn't play jazz most of the time. The only show in latter years was Mainstem, hosted by the late Campbell Burnap.
That was the only show to which I listened.
So has Chris, of course. I would flatly disagree that Wogan has or had more to offer, and I think a comparison of their breakfast shows provides a vivid demonstration that he offered much less.
I disagree. As I said I don't particularly care for either. I didn't listen to Wogan.
My impression is that it's always been a popular / personality show for people who have grown a bit too old for youth radio offered by R1, and it still is. It's inevitable that it will sound different from the way it did 30 years ago, simply because it has moved with the times, albeit rather too sluggishly for my own liking in some respects.
It wasn't set up for those that had grown too old for youth Radio. It was and is supposed to be a distinctive service offerring an alternative to pop commercial radio.
I'm 49. The average age of Chris' Drivetime show was, I understand, 53. The notion that those of us who enjoy a more vibrant, more entertaining style of radio have failed to grow up is itself not particularly "grown up", I'm afraid.
I'm 56, so not much older than you and certainly not in my dotage. I'm sorry, but I don't regard Evans show as grown up. Parkinson is grown up, Russell Davies is grown up. Certainly the music they play is vibrant and frequently more lively and faster than daytime Radio 2.
He won't be. If anything the furore from the disgruntled minority was worse in 2006 when he took over Drivetime. The BBC made a few diplomatic noises in the direction of the malcontents, then essentially ignored them, to its credit.
Ah, but we have the Radio 2 Review by the Trust soon and a general Election.
Anything could happen.
So when Chris Evans has been driven off the breakfast show by closed minded people not willing to give him a chance, who exactly does everyone suggests takes over from him?
Well, the fools are calling for old dinosaurs to replace the excellent Chris Evans. Some of their suggestions include:
Ed Stewart;
Tony Blackburn;
Michael Aspel;
Simon Bates;
Dave Lee Travis;
Mark Goodier;
Bruno Brookes;
Jimmy Young;
Sarah Kennedy
This just proves that the foolish Chris Evans critics are living in the past, particularly when they suggest old frump's in their 80s are brought back to the airwaves :rolleyes:
Well you said that "all he does is spin records and chat" or something similar, and that applies equally well to any of the (imo considerably less talented) presenters you listed.
By what yardstick are you measuring the talents of those presenters I mentioned?
Davies for example is or was a musician, as well as a writer and presenter of many different shows, including'Brain of Britain' on Radio 4. Can't see Evans doing that particular job.
Parkinson was a journalist and host of possibly the finest talk show on British TV.
Alyn Shipton is a writer, a bass player and a presenter.
Paul Barnes has been a film maker, journalist, broadcaster on numerous BBC network channells on a wide range of subjects.
Looking at the late great Humph, we see a trumpeter / Bandleader, composer, cartoonist, journalist, writer, quiz show host. I don't think I need to say more to prove my point.
Well, we don't know how many. Once again, I've heard this before, in 2006. He managed to keep a healthy number of Radio Two listeners tuned in nonetheless.
We'll see what happens to the millions of Wogan fans.
I think the style is in the way the ideas flow; the choice of background music for some of the features for example is inspired. The way he maintains the atmosphere, the sense of occasion, and manages to make the show even more than the sum of its considerable parts, morning after morning.
He manages to string together a mish-mash of infantile spots, with pretty poor music, which is 100 per cent right in you face all the time. The sum of its parts is inconsequential and not worthy of a distinctive national PSB station.
He's really hit his stride now and this morning's show was absolutely superb. Wonderful to hear Radio Two with its foot down hard on the quality pedal.
Yes and racing headlong into an impending brick wall.
So what if Russell Davies was a jazz musician? He plays crap records. I challenge Davies to start playing some real music:
Pink Floyd, Led Zeplin, Jimi Hendrix, Mike Oldfield, Bob Marley rather than the jazzy crap he plays week in, week out.
Why should he Scott? The records he plays are indeed very good, very artistic and have stood test of time. As I said before, he also plays new releases by people currently performing - or are they crap as well. What about when he plays Ella or Nat?
Why should he Scott? The records he plays are indeed very good, very artistic and have stood test of time. As I said before, he also plays new releases by people currently performing - or are they crap as well. What about when he plays Ella or Nat?
Russell Davies's show should feature music of all genres. Davies features a narrow music variety.
Russell Davies's show should feature music of all genres. Davies features a narrow music variety.
No Chris Evans should play records of all genres accoring to the service licence.
Russell's show is regarded as a specialist show and is far from being narrow.
No Chris Evans should play records of all genres accoring to the service licence.
Russell's show is regarded as a specialist show and is far from being narrow.
What kind of music do you think Chris Evans should play? Jazz?Light classical and popular classics?
As for Russell Davies, he is as boring as the music he plays.
CE is sounding much more relaxed and some features are being quietly dropped - there was so Special day for Englad, Scotland Wales etc. this morning.
The music is getting better and there's more banter - I think they may have also reduced the number of records they are playing. Maybe I'm just more used to it but it's starting to sound great in my opinion.
By what yardstick are you measuring the talents of those presenters I mentioned?
Davies for example is or was a musician, as well as a writer and presenter of many different shows, including 'Brain of Britain' on Radio 4. Can't see Evans doing that particular job.
No, but it's not exactly a qualification for breakfast radio presenting, and I can't really imagine Davies would have fared well standing in for Chris on Toothbrush or TFT Friday, either.
Parkinson was a journalist and host of possibly the finest talk show on British TV.
Don't agree that it was the finest talk show, but anyway - ditto.
Alyn Shipton is a writer, a bass player and a presenter.
When the breakfast radio DJ is required to play along with the records, this will become relevant.
Paul Barnes has been a film maker, journalist, broadcaster on numerous BBC network channels on a wide range of subjects.
Chris' talents - rescuing Radio One from a serious slump in the '90s, then making such a huge success of Virgin Radio that he made himself extremely wealthy, presenting popular TV and radio shows to the point where he's a household name are of course rather more pertinent to this discussion.
Looking at the late great Humph, we see a trumpeter / Bandleader, composer, cartoonist, journalist, writer, quiz show host. I don't think I need to say more to prove my point.
You haven't even started to support it, much less prove it.
He manages to string together a mish-mash of infantile spots, with pretty poor music, which is 100 per cent right in you face all the time. The sum of its parts is inconsequential and not worthy of a distinctive national PSB station.
That's only an opinion of course, and in my view a rather impoverished one, I have to say.
Yes and racing headlong into an impending brick wall.
Heard it before, and I'm afraid this can be dismissed as the wishful thinking of a disaffected malcontent.
CE is sounding much more relaxed and some features are being quietly dropped - there was so Special day for England, Scotland Wales etc. this morning.
The music is getting better and there's more banter - I think they may have also reduced the number of records they are playing. Maybe I'm just more used to it but it's starting to sound great in my opinion.
I do think the show is getting even better with each new week, yes. This morning's show was a masterclass in entertaining, personality radio - Chris sounding very comfortable, assured and delivering life-affirmingly entertaining radio with the help of some good music and his cohorts.
I really do think that breakfast show should have been revitalised years ago, but the quality's there now and I'm loving it.
Chris' talents - rescuing Radio One from a serious slump in the '90s.
You can thank Matthew Bannister who brought him in at the right time, although it was clear that it was a high risk strategy. If I recall from the Arena doc, Bannister liked Steve Wright on Breakfast and CE wasn't his first choice only after Steve resigned to join Talk Radio?
However R1 was suffering from massive churn anyway due to the target audience dramatically turning younger after the much needed changes to the station, which has led to the problems/improvements (delete as appropriate) at Radio 2.
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The colossal flop that was Jazz FM in London would seem to be a bit of a pointer.
So has Chris, of course. I would flatly disagree that Wogan has or had more to offer, and I think a comparison of their breakfast shows provides a vivid demonstration that he offered much less.
It seems to me that you're equating a more sedate and gentle style with being "grown up", which I don't really think is justified.
My impression is that it's always been a popular / personality show for people who have grown a bit too old for youth radio offered by R1, and it still is. It's inevitable that it will sound different from the way it did 30 years ago, simply because it has moved with the times, albeit rather too sluggishly for my own liking in some respects.
I'm 49. The average age of Chris' Drivetime show was, I understand, 53. The notion that those of us who enjoy a more vibrant, more entertaining style of radio have failed to grow up is itself not particularly "grown up", I'm afraid.
He won't be. If anything the furore from the disgruntled minority was worse in 2006 when he took over Drivetime. The BBC made a few diplomatic noises in the direction of the malcontents, then essentially ignored them, to its credit.
Well you said that "all he does is spin records and chat" or something similar, and that applies equally well to any of the (imo considerably less talented) presenters you listed.
Well, we don't know how many. Once again, I've heard this before, in 2006. He managed to keep a healthy number of Radio Two listeners tuned in nonetheless.
I think the style is in the way the ideas flow; the choice of background music for some of the features for example is inspired. The way he maintains the atmosphere, the sense of occasion, and manages to make the show even more than the sum of its considerable parts, morning after morning.
He's really hit his stride now and this morning's show was absolutely superb. Wonderful to hear Radio Two with its foot down hard on the quality pedal.
Jazz Fm failed because it didn't play jazz most of the time. The only show in latter years was Mainstem, hosted by the late Campbell Burnap.
That was the only show to which I listened.
I disagree. As I said I don't particularly care for either. I didn't listen to Wogan.
Well, Radio 4 sounds grown up to me. I just don't want pop radio and pop radio DJs.
It wasn't set up for those that had grown too old for youth Radio. It was and is supposed to be a distinctive service offerring an alternative to pop commercial radio.
I'm 56, so not much older than you and certainly not in my dotage. I'm sorry, but I don't regard Evans show as grown up. Parkinson is grown up, Russell Davies is grown up. Certainly the music they play is vibrant and frequently more lively and faster than daytime Radio 2.
Ah, but we have the Radio 2 Review by the Trust soon and a general Election.
Anything could happen.
Well, the fools are calling for old dinosaurs to replace the excellent Chris Evans. Some of their suggestions include:
Ed Stewart;
Tony Blackburn;
Michael Aspel;
Simon Bates;
Dave Lee Travis;
Mark Goodier;
Bruno Brookes;
Jimmy Young;
Sarah Kennedy
This just proves that the foolish Chris Evans critics are living in the past, particularly when they suggest old frump's in their 80s are brought back to the airwaves :rolleyes:
I'm sure Radio 2 will not form part of an election manifesto.
By what yardstick are you measuring the talents of those presenters I mentioned?
Davies for example is or was a musician, as well as a writer and presenter of many different shows, including'Brain of Britain' on Radio 4. Can't see Evans doing that particular job.
Parkinson was a journalist and host of possibly the finest talk show on British TV.
Alyn Shipton is a writer, a bass player and a presenter.
Paul Barnes has been a film maker, journalist, broadcaster on numerous BBC network channells on a wide range of subjects.
Looking at the late great Humph, we see a trumpeter / Bandleader, composer, cartoonist, journalist, writer, quiz show host. I don't think I need to say more to prove my point.
We'll see what happens to the millions of Wogan fans.
He manages to string together a mish-mash of infantile spots, with pretty poor music, which is 100 per cent right in you face all the time. The sum of its parts is inconsequential and not worthy of a distinctive national PSB station.
Yes and racing headlong into an impending brick wall.
Pink Floyd, Led Zeplin, Jimi Hendrix, Mike Oldfield, Bob Marley rather than the jazzy crap he plays week in, week out.
Why should he Scott? The records he plays are indeed very good, very artistic and have stood test of time. As I said before, he also plays new releases by people currently performing - or are they crap as well. What about when he plays Ella or Nat?
Russell Davies's show should feature music of all genres. Davies features a narrow music variety.
No Chris Evans should play records of all genres accoring to the service licence.
Russell's show is regarded as a specialist show and is far from being narrow.
What kind of music do you think Chris Evans should play? Jazz?Light classical and popular classics?
As for Russell Davies, he is as boring as the music he plays.
Evans should be playing a broad span of music for all ages, which would include some of the above.
So, you think Chris Evans should play Beethoven, Edgar, Cole Porter and Hylton?
Are you on a mission to kill off Radio 2?
Radio 3 plays Beethoven.
Who is Edgar?
It should certainly play Porter and Hylton amongst many others.
From what I can ascertain, you are suggesting the Chris Evans Breakfast Show is turned into Melodies for You.
Sorry Jon, but your suggestions that Radio 2 should start featuring jazz and classical music in the daytime playlists are ludicrous.
CE is sounding much more relaxed and some features are being quietly dropped - there was so Special day for Englad, Scotland Wales etc. this morning.
The music is getting better and there's more banter - I think they may have also reduced the number of records they are playing. Maybe I'm just more used to it but it's starting to sound great in my opinion.
No, but it's not exactly a qualification for breakfast radio presenting, and I can't really imagine Davies would have fared well standing in for Chris on Toothbrush or TFT Friday, either.
Don't agree that it was the finest talk show, but anyway - ditto.
When the breakfast radio DJ is required to play along with the records, this will become relevant.
Chris' talents - rescuing Radio One from a serious slump in the '90s, then making such a huge success of Virgin Radio that he made himself extremely wealthy, presenting popular TV and radio shows to the point where he's a household name are of course rather more pertinent to this discussion.
You haven't even started to support it, much less prove it.
That's only an opinion of course, and in my view a rather impoverished one, I have to say.
Heard it before, and I'm afraid this can be dismissed as the wishful thinking of a disaffected malcontent.
I do think the show is getting even better with each new week, yes. This morning's show was a masterclass in entertaining, personality radio - Chris sounding very comfortable, assured and delivering life-affirmingly entertaining radio with the help of some good music and his cohorts.
I really do think that breakfast show should have been revitalised years ago, but the quality's there now and I'm loving it.
You can thank Matthew Bannister who brought him in at the right time, although it was clear that it was a high risk strategy. If I recall from the Arena doc, Bannister liked Steve Wright on Breakfast and CE wasn't his first choice only after Steve resigned to join Talk Radio?
However R1 was suffering from massive churn anyway due to the target audience dramatically turning younger after the much needed changes to the station, which has led to the problems/improvements (delete as appropriate) at Radio 2.