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Black Mirror: 15 Million Merits

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    doom&gloomdoom&gloom Posts: 9,051
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    madfor24 wrote: »
    Correct me if im wrong but Wilfrid isnt original. the Austrailian version is. right? but there is also the version we get on bbc3 the only original actor is the dog.

    That's why I said unless you're an Australian.
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    petelypetely Posts: 2,994
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    AcerBen wrote: »
    I quite enjoyed that even though it was totally ridiculous.

    I didn't understand why they kept forcing him to watch pornography all the time, what was the point of that?
    I think the point was that they were all pop-up advertisements. I'm told (by people who don't have ad-blockers) that pr0n is a "popular" topic for P/U ads. It's also the ads that pay for the programmes, so you could interpret the penalties for not watching or skipping the ads as being a prediction of what will happen once "the man" invents a foolproof way of ascertaining who actually watches the advertisements.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 14,732
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    Wmsheep wrote: »
    Anyone Who Knows What Love Is (Will Understand)
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    Irma Thomas

    http://youtu.be/ZY5rB067518

    Released in 1964 so had a daughter in the 70s who probably had a daughter in 90s or 00s so the show was based somewhere around the 2020s onwards...

    Crikey!!
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    doom&gloomdoom&gloom Posts: 9,051
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    jcafcw wrote: »
    Yes and that is my point.

    You either like a show or not. Originality has **** all to do with it. There is also the fact that there are many youngsters who haven't seen the programmes listed here so it will be new and original to them.

    It is just us old fogies that have seen it before.

    I think Brooker can do some great dialogue (although not in this episode) but the storylines and situations are unoriginal and in some cases directly lifted from (mainly) movies.
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    tauran_shammytauran_shammy Posts: 5,847
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    petely wrote: »
    I think the point was that they were all pop-up advertisements. I'm told (by people who don't have ad-blockers) that pr0n is a "popular" topic for P/U ads. It's also the ads that pay for the programmes, so you could interpret the penalties for not watching or skipping the ads as being a prediction of what will happen once "the man" invents a foolproof way of ascertaining who actually watches the advertisements.

    and the way the screen went red and the sirens started when he even covered his eyes was unnerving. YOU WILL CONSUME! lol
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    Drew_MDrew_M Posts: 1,451
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    MD1500 wrote: »
    Heavy handed hammering the point home here.
    That's been the major problem. I've liked all of Brooker's previous TV work with himself appearing, but this has been underwhelming. Better than last week's, though, and it did look great.
    doom&gloom wrote: »
    Yes Blake's Seven, the first episode especially is in the same ilk.
    Yes - it is a bit reminiscent of The Way Back. And to continue directly on from this, I kept thinking 'credits' instead of 'merits' all the way through the programme.
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    doom&gloomdoom&gloom Posts: 9,051
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    petely wrote: »
    I think the point was that they were all pop-up advertisements. I'm told (by people who don't have ad-blockers) that pr0n is a "popular" topic for P/U ads. It's also the ads that pay for the programmes, so you could interpret the penalties for not watching or skipping the ads as being a prediction of what will happen once "the man" invents a foolproof way of ascertaining who actually watches the advertisements.

    Porn pop-ups were prevalent in the early days of the internet really.

    You do get the live webcam pop ups though, with ladies sometimes rubbing their bits.
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    MD1500MD1500 Posts: 14,234
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    The next episode is not written by Brooker so it will either be worse/better depending on your POV.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 367
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    A lot of sour miseries here tonight then. That was stunning. Dark, depressing, beautiful, moving and deep. Superbly scripted and with just that wonderful light touch acting that conveys so much meaning. And not a poxy Georgian/Edwardian/Victorian costume in sight. No, just a piece of mesmerising contemporary drama that's different. Sorry people, not enough sparky, sassy dialogue, car chases or action scenes for you? Then get your remote and tune into Sky 1, or C5.

    Sometimes less is more, and tonight, Black Mirror was as damn near a perfect piece of drama as I've ever seen.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 240
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    Really enjoyed this weeks Black Mirror, quite thought provoking for me as I embark on my dissertation about an over sexualised and commodified, consumer society.

    Loved this quote, in any context:

    Rutakateki wrote: »
    I think if you take a reductionist viewpoint, nothing is original- everything is made of elements of what has gone before.

    If you take a different viewpoint, every moment is unique, perfect, unrepeatable.

    :)
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    doom&gloomdoom&gloom Posts: 9,051
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    grocerjack wrote: »
    A lot of sour miseries here tonight then. That was stunning. Dark, depressing, beautiful, moving and deep. Superbly scripted and with just that wonderful light touch acting that conveys so much meaning. And not a poxy Georgian/Edwardian/Victorian costume in sight. No, just a piece of mesmerising contemporary drama that's different. Sorry people, not enough sparky, sassy dialogue, car chases or action scenes for you? Then get your remote and tune into Sky 1, or C5.

    Sometimes less is more, and tonight, Black Mirror was as damn near a perfect piece of drama as I've ever seen.

    I don't think you can describe a man moping about slowly for an hour as being deep and moving and you could see the end coming a mile off, we've all read Animal Farm..
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    mojo5000mojo5000 Posts: 54,086
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    Easily the best thing I've watched on TV all year. Daniel Kaluuya was outstanding.
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    MD1500MD1500 Posts: 14,234
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    grocerjack wrote: »
    A lot of sour miseries here tonight then. That was stunning. Dark, depressing, beautiful, moving and deep. Superbly scripted and with just that wonderful light touch acting that conveys so much meaning. And not a poxy Georgian/Edwardian/Victorian costume in sight. No, just a piece of mesmerising contemporary drama that's different. Sorry people, not enough sparky, sassy dialogue, car chases or action scenes for you? Then get your remote and tune into Sky 1, or C5.

    Sometimes less is more, and tonight, Black Mirror was as damn near a perfect piece of drama as I've ever seen.

    I loved the irony of people on Twitter claiming that the programme was too slow...
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    MD1500MD1500 Posts: 14,234
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    Spoiler for next week's episode. Sounds like another dystopian sci-fi.
    In Memoriam is set in an alternate reality where everyone has access to a system which records everything they do, see or hear. You need never forget a face, a holiday or a night out again... but is that always good thing?
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    StressMonkeyStressMonkey Posts: 13,347
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    I can't fault the actors, and Daniel Kaluuya gave an astounding, mesmerising performance, but otherwise it was a good idea (if not particularly original) poorly executed. Entirely predictable. And a little dull.

    Better than last week though.
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    Apple_CrumbleApple_Crumble Posts: 21,748
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    mojo5000 wrote: »
    Easily the best thing I've watched on TV all year. Daniel Kaluuya was outstanding.

    He was top-notch. He barely said a word in the first half-an-hour.
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    Reiver97Reiver97 Posts: 2,491
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    This series is putting me in mind of the best of the often dystopian scifi drama anthologies/series that came out of the BBC in the 60-70s, Out Of The Unknown, Play for Tomorrow, etc. And that is a very good thing indeed.
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    grocerjack wrote: »
    A lot of sour miseries here tonight then. That was stunning. Dark, depressing, beautiful, moving and deep. Superbly scripted and with just that wonderful light touch acting that conveys so much meaning. And not a poxy Georgian/Edwardian/Victorian costume in sight. No, just a piece of mesmerising contemporary drama that's different. Sorry people, not enough sparky, sassy dialogue, car chases or action scenes for you? Then get your remote and tune into Sky 1, or C5.

    Sometimes less is more, and tonight, Black Mirror was as damn near a perfect piece of drama as I've ever seen.

    Agree. This was one of the best dramas on this year. I loved the little references to Facebook and the Nintendo Mii like avatars. It sort of reminds me of the musical We Will Rock You (but with less of a revolution).

    Great work from Brooker as usual.
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    RutakatekiRutakateki Posts: 2,716
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    Loved this quote, in any context :)
    :) You might find Jeff Foster's website, Life Without a Centre interesting; he talks a lot about the wonder and richness of the present moment. There are writings, video talks and whatnot

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    Agent FAgent F Posts: 40,288
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    Found it a bit dull and predictable. Next week's looks better.
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    MD1500MD1500 Posts: 14,234
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    I couldn't help think of this programme just now when I unlocked a new hat for my avatar after walking 1000 steps with my 3DS.... The future is already here!!!!
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    JoooeJoooe Posts: 8,662
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    Much, much better than the first episode.

    Thought it was very well done.
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    Rubrical wrote: »
    There's some people with some really high standards on here. To me this was a breath of fresh air, superbly acted and thought provoking. What more could you ask for? This was drama! I loved it and the music used was great too.

    I think some people don't want to be seen liking the "new cool anti establishment Charlie Brooker theme". They probably actually liked it and or worked them selves against it so much they sighed at all the thought provoking issues saying "huh! Typical Brooker!". And for all those who say " Well i'm definitely not watching next week's one" ...... yeah you'll be there watching, disapproving on the outside but enjoying it on the inside.

    The thing is Brooker just showed exactly what he has done and become in his industry. To blatantly admit that and take the piss out of him self is pretty damn brave. But then its one of those issues that gets us all thinking about our own Hypocrisy of our own decisions/action in life - to some people that is very uncomfortable, hence being very unpopular.
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    StressMonkeyStressMonkey Posts: 13,347
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    Hair wrote: »
    I think some people don't want to be seen liking the "new cool anti establishment Charlie Brooker theme". They probably actually liked it and or worked them selves against it so much they sighed at all the thought provoking issues saying "huh! Typical Brooker!". And for all those who say " Well i'm definitely not watching next week's one" ...... yeah you'll be there watching, disapproving on the outside but enjoying it on the inside.

    The thing is Brooker just showed exactly what he has done and become in his industry. To blatantly admit that and take the piss out of him self is pretty damn brave. But then its one of those issues that gets us all thinking about our own Hypocrisy of our own decisions/action in life - to some people that is very uncomfortable, hence being very unpopular.

    On the contrary, normally I love Charlie Brooker. Loved Dead Set, loved most of his Swipe stuff (can be a little hit and miss but mostly hit) but I just haven't enjoyed Black Mirror.

    National Anthem asked for a suspention of belief too far.
    15 Million was too derivitive.

    Both could have been fantastic if there had been something amazingly unique or different about them. There wasn't. They are commenting on things people already comment far more eloquently and entertainingly.

    Not saying they were bad (well, last week perhaps) , just they weren't great. I expected more from Brooker - as a fan.
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    LyricalisLyricalis Posts: 57,958
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    The way Bing had his angry rant and was then assimilated into the establishment, which let him carry on ranting because it made no real difference in the end, is so familiar. It's the story of most anti-Thatcher entertainers (and other anti-establishment figures) from the 80s. It's also been true of many bloggers. That's probably the most terrifying aspect to our society, it even makes protest into entertainment and those who protest into celebrities.
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