I thought it was more to do with the fact that one in seven of his activists is gay or bi or transexy and he needs to throw them a bone to get them motivated.
I agree with his stance but i think it will be a vote loser for him and will play into Romneys hand very nicely.
Given the fact he's so unpopular in the US at the minute take these weasel words of his with a pinch of salt. It's nothing but an attempt to garner lost support for the upcoming US election nothing more. He's always been an empty suit with hollow words and always will be.
I think it's not a particular stretch to say he really does believe in equality for gay people, though.
I think it's not a particular stretch to say he really does believe in equality for gay people, though.
He probably does support it, but he will be playing up to the gallery at every given chance. He's not going to do anything about it though. Like I said weasel words.
Refreshing to read this after yesterday and NC. Who'd've thought equality would be so bloody difficult to establish?
Well we're talking about the country who had a civil war over slavery and had to have the Army escort black children to school in 1950s. It's difficult for some to accept change.
Because we want to be married for exactly the same reasons as straight people? Love, commitment, sharing etc.
You will lose nothing if I have the right to marry - so how come you oppose it?
I neither oppose or support it. I'm very oblivious to the subject. Do you need to get married to get love and commitment? And with civil partnership you had all legal things sorted.Can't see the reason why such a big fuss. I attended many gay's weddings ( as waiter) so they are marring each other anyway. I'm immpresed with gay lobby as they taking over the politics. Obama and any other straight men couldn't care less about this subject but for him to go out publicly and tell what he said is big victory for a gay lobby. Obviously, he will get something in return...
Obama and any other straight men couldn't care less about this subject but for him to go out publicly and tell what he said is big victory for a gay lobby. Obviously, he will get something in return...
No one knows whether he will gain or lose votes, but there is a general feeling among political columnists that it is a big risk. There is no reason to suppose that he has no personal feelings on the subject.
No one knows whether he will gain or lose votes, but there is a general feeling among political columnists that it is a big risk. There is no reason to suppose that he has no personal feelings on the subject.
My personal opinion is that he knows he has not really managed anything in his term, despite all his promises of change, all he has done is preside over a world recession.
He must know that his chances of re-election aren't great and in the future he will be looked upon as the first (sort of) Black President who did nothing particularly ground breaking despite the impression that he had overcome adversity and persecution himself.
In the future kids will be taught of the abolishing of Jim Crow laws and gay laws, and he will at least get a mention there.
My personal opinion is that he knows he has not really managed anything in his term, despite all his promises of change, all he has done is preside over a world recession.
He must know that his chances of re-election aren't great and in the future he will be looked upon as the first (sort of) Black President who did nothing particularly ground breaking despite the impression that he had overcome adversity and persecution himself.
In the future kids will be taught of the abolishing of Jim Crow laws and gay laws, and he will at least get a mention there.
Interesting. I didn't think of it in those terms. I think it's a big risk to take but it's quite plausable.
I neither oppose or support it. I'm very oblivious to the subject. Do you need to get married to get love and commitment? And with civil partnership you had all legal things sorted.Can't see the reason why such a big fuss. I attended many gay's weddings ( as waiter) so they are marring each other anyway. I'm immpresed with gay lobby as they taking over the politics. Obama and any other straight men couldn't care less about this subject but for him to go out publicly and tell what he said is big victory for a gay lobby. Obviously, he will get something in return...
Some people do care about equality, even when they're not part of the particular demographic, whether you can imagine that or not. For instance, lots of white people are against racism.
Some people do care about equality, even when they're not part of the particular demographic, whether you can imagine that or not. For instance, lots of white people are against racism.
Which equality are we talking about ??? Which racism are we talking about. Those are things of the past. I don't see any racism in UK, I don't see gay people not being equal.
My personal opinion is that he knows he has not really managed anything in his term, despite all his promises of change, all he has done is preside over a world recession.
He must know that his chances of re-election aren't great and in the future he will be looked upon as the first (sort of) Black President who did nothing particularly ground breaking despite the impression that he had overcome adversity and persecution himself.
In the future kids will be taught of the abolishing of Jim Crow laws and gay laws, and he will at least get a mention there.
Well, at least he had received Nobel peace prce.:rolleyes:
Some people do care about equality, even when they're not part of the particular demographic, whether you can imagine that or not. For instance, lots of white people are against racism.
Yes of course. I'm white so why should I worry about how black people are treated as it won't affect me? But I do!
Also am a male, but I'm appalled when women are treated as lass than fully equal. Yet being a gay male, women should be of no importance to me as it's not coming from a male protection of the little girly to boost my macho ego claptrap.
Lots of people see other people as other human beings first and what type they are secondary and of not much importance.
Which equality are we talking about ??? Which racism are we talking about. Those are things of the past. I don't see any racism in UK, I don't see gay people not being equal.
Then you must walk around with blinkers on then!
Sadly there is still lots of racism in this country and as for gay equality, how did you manage to miss absolutely every gay marriage thread currently on page 1 of this very General Discussion forum?
Which equality are we talking about ??? Which racism are we talking about. Those are things of the past. I don't see any racism in UK, I don't see gay people not being equal.
I was addressing your assumption that straight man don't care about the issue. You may not but your attitude isn't the only one. As for you not seeing any racism or prejudice against gay people, what Neda_Turk said. Ask a male friend to walk hand in hand with you down the street, as an experiment.
Good to see a courageous president voice his opinion on a crucial matter like this. I really hope this act will not affect his chances of the presidential campaign this year
I was addressing your assumption that straight man don't care about the issue. You may not but your attitude isn't the only one. As for you not seeing any racism or prejudice against gay people, what Neda_Turk said. Ask a male friend to walk hand in hand with you down the street, as an experiment.
That is not pretty sight from aesthetic point of view. Next step will be asking your male friend to kiss on the street ( as an experiment). If that is all prejudice they get they can abstain from kissing and holding hands in public. I mean, there is lots of naturist wanting to walk naked on the street and they can't.
Should I feel sorry for them too?
Which equality are we talking about ??? Which racism are we talking about. Those are things of the past. I don't see any racism in UK, I don't see gay people not being equal.
Even if it were true that there is no racism or inequality in the UK (& it's not true), that would be irrelevant anyway wrt to the topic of this thread, given that Obama is the President of the USA, not the UK. And there most definitely is racism, homophobia, and inequality in the USA...
That is not pretty sight from aesthetic point of view. Next step will be asking your male friend to kiss on the street ( as an experiment). If that is all prejudice they get they can abstain from kissing and holding hands in public. I mean, there is lots of naturist wanting to walk naked on the street and they can't.
Should I feel sorry for them too?
Well, it isn't the only form of prejudice. I think you're being disingenuous and your comparison should be with a heterosexual couple, not on a completely different subject. That you used that comparison says a lot. But, don't worry (rhetorically), you're coming through loud and clear.
That is not pretty sight from aesthetic point of view. Next step will be asking your male friend to kiss on the street ( as an experiment). If that is all prejudice they get they can abstain from kissing and holding hands in public. I mean, there is lots of naturist wanting to walk naked on the street and they can't.
Should I feel sorry for them too?
Why should anybody refrain from being affectionate?
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I agree with his stance but i think it will be a vote loser for him and will play into Romneys hand very nicely.
He probably does support it, but he will be playing up to the gallery at every given chance. He's not going to do anything about it though. Like I said weasel words.
Well we're talking about the country who had a civil war over slavery and had to have the Army escort black children to school in 1950s. It's difficult for some to accept change.
I neither oppose or support it. I'm very oblivious to the subject. Do you need to get married to get love and commitment? And with civil partnership you had all legal things sorted.Can't see the reason why such a big fuss. I attended many gay's weddings ( as waiter) so they are marring each other anyway. I'm immpresed with gay lobby as they taking over the politics. Obama and any other straight men couldn't care less about this subject but for him to go out publicly and tell what he said is big victory for a gay lobby. Obviously, he will get something in return...
No one knows whether he will gain or lose votes, but there is a general feeling among political columnists that it is a big risk. There is no reason to suppose that he has no personal feelings on the subject.
My personal opinion is that he knows he has not really managed anything in his term, despite all his promises of change, all he has done is preside over a world recession.
He must know that his chances of re-election aren't great and in the future he will be looked upon as the first (sort of) Black President who did nothing particularly ground breaking despite the impression that he had overcome adversity and persecution himself.
In the future kids will be taught of the abolishing of Jim Crow laws and gay laws, and he will at least get a mention there.
Interesting. I didn't think of it in those terms. I think it's a big risk to take but it's quite plausable.
Which equality are we talking about ??? Which racism are we talking about. Those are things of the past. I don't see any racism in UK, I don't see gay people not being equal.
Well, at least he had received Nobel peace prce.:rolleyes:
Yes of course. I'm white so why should I worry about how black people are treated as it won't affect me? But I do!
Also am a male, but I'm appalled when women are treated as lass than fully equal. Yet being a gay male, women should be of no importance to me as it's not coming from a male protection of the little girly to boost my macho ego claptrap.
Lots of people see other people as other human beings first and what type they are secondary and of not much importance.
Then you must walk around with blinkers on then!
Sadly there is still lots of racism in this country and as for gay equality, how did you manage to miss absolutely every gay marriage thread currently on page 1 of this very General Discussion forum?
http://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/an-obama-gay-marriage-timeline
Wealthy gay voters threatened to hold off on donating to Obama if he didn't come out so is Obama thinking more of his re-election than gay rights?
You must be joking with this.
Seriously. I don't like getting trolled but omg.
http://www.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeedpolitics/in-secret-documents-anti-gay-marriage-group-plott
We can both do it. Back up.
He'll be forging tools out of bronze next. :rolleyes:
That is not pretty sight from aesthetic point of view. Next step will be asking your male friend to kiss on the street ( as an experiment). If that is all prejudice they get they can abstain from kissing and holding hands in public. I mean, there is lots of naturist wanting to walk naked on the street and they can't.
Should I feel sorry for them too?
Even if it were true that there is no racism or inequality in the UK (& it's not true), that would be irrelevant anyway wrt to the topic of this thread, given that Obama is the President of the USA, not the UK. And there most definitely is racism, homophobia, and inequality in the USA...
Why do YOU want to get married? Gay people aren't aliens you know.
Why should anybody refrain from being affectionate?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-18028394