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Not sure I trust the judges in the swingathon

Given the somewhat irrational marking and apparent favouritism from the judges this series, I feel a little nervous about the swingathon.

This will give them the chance to get together and discuss the exact order they want on the leaderboard. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if there were some kind of direction from the producers to advantage those contestants getting the fewest public votes.

Even if this is not the case, I think the standard of judging has been so bizarre this series, I really don't trust them to be objective in their decisions.
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    Leatherface!!!Leatherface!!! Posts: 4,438
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    Of course they did it last year when they did that waltz thing, ali and brian crashed into two couples but came out top?

    However I think Len is marking it.

    I wouldnt be suprised if Scott and Pamela are the final 2 in the swingathon though
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    cezzycezzy Posts: 4,840
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    It's only an entertainment show!

    Everyone has their favourites, even us normal folk who just watch the show and whose only dance knowledge is from watching SCD since episode one.:D

    Enjoy it and vote for your favourite. If they go out it's because others prefer other couples.

    PS I would not be saying the above if Ann/Anton were still in! I'm now blissfully happy and all is right with the world....:):D;):)
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    80sQueen80sQueen Posts: 792
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    Craig said as much last night on ITT...

    He said all the judges will confer and eliminate each couple one by one. Claudia asked how will that work then because you will all argue? Craig said well as Head Judge, Len will get the final say... and then Claudia had to move on. IIRC.

    So that probably means Pamela will win it.
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    Tommo781Tommo781 Posts: 4,935
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    Given the somewhat irrational marking and apparent favouritism from the judges this series, I feel a little nervous about the swingathon.

    This will give them the chance to get together and discuss the exact order they want on the leaderboard. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if there were some kind of direction from the producers to advantage those contestants getting the fewest public votes.

    Even if this is not the case, I think the standard of judging has been so bizarre this series, I really don't trust them to be objective in their decisions.

    I had thought exactly the same.
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    BuddyBontheNetBuddyBontheNet Posts: 28,163
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    I am really looking forward to the Swingathon, but I can see where the OP is coming from if the marathons on DWTS are anything to go by.

    On DWTS the results are so predictable. Even if a less able dancer starts off well, they still get tapped on the shoulder early.

    However, on DWTS there are usually more couples left when they do a marathon, so it will be interesting to see what happens on Sunday because we have only five couples left and at least 3 very good dancers.

    I think Kara or Matt will win it.
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    Force TenForce Ten Posts: 7,988
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    An don't forget there are two other dances to add to the overall scores - a ballroom and a latin. Not sure when the Swingathon is taking place. If it's on Friday night then the judges won't know who does the best dance on Saturday so it will be difficult to manipulate the results. Obviously if it's after the couples have done both dances then they can discuss amongst themselves who they want to make top of the leaderboard, but don't forget half of the scores still come from the voting public.
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    BuddyBontheNetBuddyBontheNet Posts: 28,163
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    Force Ten wrote: »
    An don't forget there are two other dances to add to the overall scores - a ballroom and a latin. Not sure when the Swingathon is taking place. If it's on Friday night then the judges won't know who does the best dance on Saturday so it will be difficult to manipulate the results. Obviously if it's after the couples have done both dances then they can discuss amongst themselves who they want to make top of the leaderboard, but don't forget half of the scores still come from the voting public.

    Reading this, it looks like the Swingathon is on Friday night, after everyone has danced. The public vote is after the Saturday performances as usual and I think this will make it harder to manipulate the scores.
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    miavivmiaviv Posts: 3,134
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    Given the somewhat irrational marking and apparent favouritism from the judges this series, I feel a little nervous about the swingathon.

    This will give them the chance to get together and discuss the exact order they want on the leaderboard. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if there were some kind of direction from the producers to advantage those contestants getting the fewest public votes.

    Even if this is not the case, I think the standard of judging has been so bizarre this series, I really don't trust them to be objective in their decisions.

    I've seen this idea a few times on this forum, I don't get why this would be either useful or logical to anyone. Surely if a couple isn't popular with the public then what possible reason could the BBC have to promote it ?
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    ormsterormster Posts: 409
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    I think it has disaster written all over it.
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    Leatherface!!!Leatherface!!! Posts: 4,438
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    ormster wrote: »
    I think it has disaster written all over it.

    Funny enough I thought that as well.

    I predict many threads shoutlng fix after it is done
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 34
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    miaviv wrote: »
    I've seen this idea a few times on this forum, I don't get why this would be either useful or logical to anyone. Surely if a couple isn't popular with the public then what possible reason could the BBC have to promote it ?

    In fairness, very little. I don't really buy into conspiracy theories and there have always been controversial decisions from the judges. It's just that this year's marking has struck me as being particularly odd and I think there are really only two causes of this:
    1) The judge's standards have slipped.
    2) They are being given some kind of direction.

    Option 1 strikes me as most likely but option 2 wouldn't suprise me. And either option gives us a biased swingathon!
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    IgnazioIgnazio Posts: 18,695
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    The judges will have Gavin off first I'm as sure as anyone can be at this stage.:mad:
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    Three Left FeetThree Left Feet Posts: 738
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    Ignazio wrote: »
    The judges will have Gavin off first I'm as sure as anyone can be at this stage.:mad:

    Sadly, I fear this is true.

    Let's hope Katya has choreographed something dramatic to open up with, so at least if Gav goes early, he goes down in style!
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    phoebefairphoebefair Posts: 2,947
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    In fairness, very little. I don't really buy into conspiracy theories and there have always been controversial decisions from the judges. It's just that this year's marking has struck me as being particularly odd and I think there are really only two causes of this:
    1) The judge's standards have slipped.
    2) They are being given some kind of direction.

    Option 1 strikes me as most likely but option 2 wouldn't suprise me. And either option gives us a biased swingathon!

    Totally agee with this BH. I know nothing about dancing but even I can see the judging has been weirdly erratic this series. Goodness only knows what they'll do to the Swingathon.
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    shrewshrew Posts: 1,085
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    ormster wrote: »
    I think it has disaster written all over it.

    ... I agree. Although it may be 'entertaining' to see the whole shebang degenerate into a big besequined game of British Bull Dog!
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    phoebefairphoebefair Posts: 2,947
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    shrew wrote: »
    ... I agree. Although it may be 'entertaining' to see the whole shebang degenerate into a big besequined game of British Bull Dog!

    Or a dance marathon (was the film They Shoot Horses Don't They?) - make them dance until they drop. Last celeb standing wins. All the others get honorable, but sadly posthumous, mentions.

    Added bonus of shortening the s*dding results show as well.
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    IgnazioIgnazio Posts: 18,695
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    phoebefair wrote: »
    Or a dance marathon (was the film They Shoot Horses Don't They?) - make them dance until they drop. Last celeb standing wins. All the others get honorable, but sadly posthumous, mentions.

    Added bonus of shortening the s*dding results show as well.
    Well Gav would be in with a chance - he's as fit as they come!:D
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    PaacePaace Posts: 14,679
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    80sQueen wrote: »
    Craig said as much last night on ITT...

    He said all the judges will confer and eliminate each couple one by one. Claudia asked how will that work then because you will all argue? Craig said well as Head Judge, Len will get the final say... and then Claudia had to move on. IIRC.

    So that probably means Pamela will win it.

    If this is how its going to work its another crap idea from DWTS. Craig and Len have many times disagreed about the interpretation and marking of a dance so if Len has the last word his marks should prevail . As for Alesha and Bruno, who knows what criteria they use to award marks.

    Just another gimmick to annoy a lot of regular viewers.
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    ormsterormster Posts: 409
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    Funny enough I thought that as well.

    I predict many threads shoutlng fix after it is done

    Yep you can bet there will be many unhappy hard core viewers. Lets just grit our teeth and try and get through it.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 8,332
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    Reading this, it looks like the Swingathon is on Friday night, after everyone has danced. The public vote is after the Saturday performances as usual and I think this will make it harder to manipulate the scores.

    This^^^

    If the swingathon is in the middle, how can the scores be manipulated?
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 34
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    heyjude wrote: »
    This^^^

    If the swingathon is in the middle, how can the scores be manipulated?

    I think the scores can be manipulated wherever it occurs.

    Let's say hypothetically that a judge's favourite stumbles in the first dance but Gavin dances well and is a point or two ahead. If the judges throw Gavin out of the swingathon first and keep their favourite in until the later stages, the favourite can go into Saturday on level pegging or point or two ahead.

    I'm not suggesting this WILL happen... it's just that I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if it did!
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    Bonnie96Bonnie96 Posts: 5,415
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    Of course they did it last year when they did that waltz thing, ali and brian crashed into two couples but came out top?

    However I think Len is marking it.

    I wouldnt be suprised if Scott and Pamela are the final 2 in the swingathon though

    Exactly.

    Last year, they marked the group VW according to their current leaderboard that night except it swapped 3rd and 4th placed out of 5 couples.

    They have all jived this series - does that help or hinder them?

    In order of marks given for the Jive:

    Scott
    Matt
    Kara
    Pamela
    Gavin

    It'll be interesting to see how they mark for the Swingathon.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 5,304
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    I had to giggle when Len talked about a Swingathon with five couples on the floor. Not sure I'd trust myself.. wahaay.
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    StarpussStarpuss Posts: 12,845
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    It's a Swingathon. The dance equivilant of scrapping your nails down a blackboard :eek::eek: of course the scoring is going to be suspect. I think they should just do Musical Chairs and be done with it.
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    Tiger RoseTiger Rose Posts: 11,824
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    Reading this, it looks like the Swingathon is on Friday night, after everyone has danced. The public vote is after the Saturday performances as usual and I think this will make it harder to manipulate the scores.

    Also there is a maximum of 5 points up for grabs in this compared to 40 potoential points in the other 2 dances. In the overall scheme of things its not going to make much difference.

    In fact given they have 3 dances to learn this week if I was a Pro I would just do some basic choreo for the swingathon and focus far more time on the other 2 dances.
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