If your going to argue that Heidi was merely being carried around by Andrei then the same can be applied to Jorgie to as a large part of her routine was lifts as well and that worked in her favour because of her dance background but I don't see the complaints about that. Yes she did skate on her own and it was good but there were a lot of lifts in her routine too so its not fair to single out Heidi on that point. It was also pointed out in her VT that she would have to ensure her basics were strong and not just rely on the lifts etc.
Personally wasn't impressed by either couple really think both routines had faults and if we don't know if Heidi's routine had to be changed after Sylvain got injured which potentially meant getting used to a new partner and potentially a changed or new routine in just a matter of weeks so she was at a bit of a disadvantage.
I found Andy's routine to be a bit all over the place and I don't think its some big conspiracy and just because Louie marked him lower hardly means he had it in for him like it was some kind of vendetta and I don't think that Louie would have any major influenece over Robin's vote as some seem to think.
Not really offended by who went and who stayed from the bottom two we had although it should have been Mark really who went home tonight.
If your going to argue that Heidi was merely being carried around by Andrei then the same can be applied to Jorgie to as a large part of her routine was lifts as well and that worked in her favour because of her dance background but I don't see the complaints about that. Yes she did skate on her own and it was good but there were a lot of lifts in her routine too so its not fair to single out Heidi on that point. It was also pointed out in her VT that she would have to ensure her basics were strong and not just rely on the lifts etc.
Personally wasn't impressed by either couple really think both routines had faults and if we don't know if Heidi's routine had to be changed after Sylvain got injured which potentially meant getting used to a new partner and potentially a changed or new routine in just a matter of weeks so she was at a bit of a disadvantage.
I found Andy's routine to be a bit all over the place and I don't think its some big conspiracy and just because Louie marked him lower hardly means he had it in for him like it was some kind of vendetta and I don't think that Louie would have any major influenece over Robin's vote as some seem to think.
Not really offended by who went and who stayed from the bottom two we had although it should have been Mark really who went home tonight.
I think this is a difficult one. Personally, I reckon that if a celeb is obviously spending most of the time being carried round and little on the ice there's a reason for it (i.e. they can't skate very well). I have no problem with lifts as long as the celeb also shows good basic skating skill (as Jorgie did but Heidi didn't really). The show's about entertainment so a good female is still going to have to do s fair amount of lift work to ensure the proportion of the spectacular remains high (witness Clare, Suzanne and Hayley). Yet all three of the aforementioned managed to demonstrate fluent on-ice work as well and I don't recall anyone really questioning their high marks.
Personally I'd prefer it if lifts were kept out of things in week one. Apart from the odd high, flashy one for the girls, have everyone on the ice for most of the routine. That'll give us a basic idea about who can actually skate. Then, when one of the girls has a mainly aerial display routine we can at least reassure ourselves (or not) that they have previously demonstrated solid skating ability. Won't ever happen of course because I am a freak and everyone else wants to see celebs being thrown about left, right, centre, top, middle, bottom and upside down.
I think this is a difficult one. Personally, I reckon that if a celeb is obviously spending most of the time being carried round and little on the ice there's a reason for it (i.e. they can't skate very well). I have no problem with lifts as long as the celeb also shows good basic skating skill (as Jorgie did but Heidi didn't really). The show's about entertainment so a good female is still going to have to do s fair amount of lift work to ensure the proportion of the spectacular remains high (witness Clare, Suzanne and Hayley). Yet all three of the aforementioned managed to demonstrate fluent on-ice work as well and I don't recall anyone really questioning their high marks.
Personally I'd prefer it if lifts were kept out of things in week one. Apart from the odd high, flashy one for the girls, have everyone on the ice for most of the routine. That'll give us a basic idea about who can actually skate. Then, when one of the girls has a mainly aerial display routine we can at least reassure ourselves (or not) that they have previously demonstrated solid skating ability. Won't ever happen of course because I am a freak and everyone else wants to see celebs being thrown about left, right, centre, top, middle, bottom and upside down.
Thing is ice dance never used to be all about the lifts well I'm talking competitive ice dance anyway and was mostly about on ice work and about working as a pair which is why although its good to see the celebs skate and do things on their own I don't quite understand the obsession with getting them to do lots of things on their own as in traditional ice dance the pair are meant to stay together mostly but thats me being a bit pedantic.
That was why I said I didn't have an issue with Jorgie as such as she did show good basics although she was warned to improve them in the VT whether Heidi's were a bit clunky but there are some who are using the lifts in Heidi's as ammunition to a point because she knocked out Andy but to use the lift/tricks arguement you have to apply that to all the female celebs not just to suit the arguement at hand.
I think there has been too much reliance on the major showy stuff and it would be nice to get back to some basics and show real ice dance.
Thing is ice dance never used to be all about the lifts well I'm talking competitive ice dance anyway and was mostly about on ice work and about working as a pair which is why although its good to see the celebs skate and do things on their own I don't quite understand the obsession with getting them to do lots of things on their own as in traditional ice dance the pair are meant to stay together mostly but thats me being a bit pedantic.
That was why I said I didn't have an issue with Jorgie as such as she did show good basics although she was warned to improve them in the VT whether Heidi's were a bit clunky but there are some who are using the lifts in Heidi's as ammunition to a point because she knocked out Andy but to use the lift/tricks arguement you have to apply that to all the female celebs not just to suit the arguement at hand.
I think there has been too much reliance on the major showy stuff and it would be nice to get back to some basics and show real ice dance.
It's usually fairly obvious (or at least becomes so) if a celeb is being kept off the ice because she's not confident on it. It looked as if this might be the case with Heidi but not with Jorgie. Likewise, most of the previous high scoring females have all shown a good basic ability to skate so despite the fact that they aren't/weren't spending large portions of the routine whizzing around by themselves it was still apparent that they were happy on the ice and weren't overly reliant on their partner. The issue with Heidi (that doesn't seem to be apparent with Jorgie) is that she doesn't seem confident on the ice yet so the "carrying around" sections of her routine as well as the lifts look as if they may have been choreographed to hide skating weakness. When she was on the ice she seemed to be being guided and steered into position by Andre and there seemed to be a good portion of the routine in which she was off the ice possibly for the sake of it. This contrasted with Jorgie's routine where her times off the ice fitted with the routine and her time on the ice looked more assured. She looked like she was taking herself to where she needed to go rather than being guided there by her partner.
This may simply be first week nerves and I may be completely wrong as to Heidi's ability on the ice. However, she's kind of on a yellow card now. If she doesn't show some on-ice confidence soon I fear she'll be out.
What on earth do you do on ice if you don't skate? I'm not saying being picked up is easy, but its a lot easier than skating on your own trying to put your own moves on the ice. Don't you agree? Andi may not be a natural dancer, but Heidi didn't make her own moves at all unless she was being dragged around or being picked up by her partner. It isn't just about being marked on doing the routine perfect. It's the technicalities witnessed and presented of how they skate also. If you can barely skate on your own, of course you deserve a low mark; regardless how good it is. That's why I rated Andi above Heidi. No way was Andi's routine perfect, but he had much more potential in his ability.
I dare you to watch the finals of each of the series again. If this ain't a skating competition, then you and ITV have got me fooled. :eek:
You are making a judgement the judges can't make and assuming that Heidi should be marked down for doing just what she's been told to do. You then assume a reason for her routine being that way thats based on no evidence - T and D have created similar routines for all sorts of people in recent years of all sorts of ability. The aim of the skating is to facilitate the dancing. If you show you can move around a bit, but its pointless as you can't keep in time and look messy, you don't get as much for it as if you do a dancing routine (dull as it was written) properly.
I think this is a difficult one. Personally, I reckon that if a celeb is obviously spending most of the time being carried round and little on the ice there's a reason for it (i.e. they can't skate very well). I have no problem with lifts as long as the celeb also shows good basic skating skill (as Jorgie did but Heidi didn't really). The show's about entertainment so a good female is still going to have to do s fair amount of lift work to ensure the proportion of the spectacular remains high (witness Clare, Suzanne and Hayley). Yet all three of the aforementioned managed to demonstrate fluent on-ice work as well and I don't recall anyone really questioning their high marks.
Personally I'd prefer it if lifts were kept out of things in week one. Apart from the odd high, flashy one for the girls, have everyone on the ice for most of the routine. That'll give us a basic idea about who can actually skate. Then, when one of the girls has a mainly aerial display routine we can at least reassure ourselves (or not) that they have previously demonstrated solid skating ability. Won't ever happen of course because I am a freak and everyone else wants to see celebs being thrown about left, right, centre, top, middle, bottom and upside down.
I think they did that. The VT shows Jorgie can do bigger lifts already. They seemed to be trying to kill the Bonnie argument about lifts by pointing out she could skate in her VT. Unfortunately, the way these things work some people will just repeat the message of the VT that it was an issue - and never realise that the message is that she worked on that and passed that test. If you look at Clare and Jorgie's week one routines, they seem to be moving Jorgie nicely into things by stressing her dancing and skating and then can add big lifts later. Clare starts doing more, and with much bigger lifts, and gets more marks - Jorgie may be being held back more.
The idea that the girls shouldn't be lifted, as you imply, doesn't make much sense - as thats precisely what the pro girls will be doing and the celeb girls have the job of matching the most visible element of the male celebs routines. Indeed, the poorer the boy celebs can skate or dance, the more lifts and distractions the pro girls will be doing if their man can get them airborne.
Not sure why Heidi got that routine. It could be a new easier routine with a new partner, or one shaped back to her ability, or just a stock routine. It may reflect her ability, but its also the same sort of routine thats turned up for many people who have been seen as middle field contenders like Melinda or Denise. Even Hayley got a lot of the same types of moves- though she often got more to act and had spins and things instead of the missing lifts.Chemmy and Jorgi got good routines - perhaps they can only come up with so many a week.
I don't think any of them should have gone last night - one performance isn't enough to judge. Even the two skating experts disagreed on their choice so that much is clear.
Likeability is obviously the key at the moment and Mark is very likeable. However, I thought Andy was lovely too and, if anyone had to go, for me, it should have been Heidi.
I wish they could find a way to milk money from the audience with phone-ins, but leave it to the judges to decide who stays and who goes.
Far too often we get robbed of seeing someone with real talent go out early. Let's be honest...whatsherface from Eastenders (the old girl....don't watch the show so can't recall her name. Mo?) is not going to be very good - but there is a real chance viewers will keep voting her in, and stuff like that ruins the show for me. I love seeing the best skaters make real progress throughout the series.
I thought Andy shouldn't have been in the bottom two but I think the same about Heidi too.
Heidi didn't do well in the poll nor did Andy considering there are so many people rooting for him.
I don't understand why they let someone go home last night, it should only be the case when we have seen all the skaters.
There could be some next week that just about manage to stand on the ice never mind dance.
That's the unfair part of this show for me.
I thought Andy shouldn't have been in the bottom two but I think the same about Heidi too.
Heidi didn't do well in the poll nor did Andy considering there are so many people rooting for him.
I don't understand why they let someone go home last night, it should only be the case when we have seen all the skaters.
There could be some next week that just about manage to stand on the ice never mind dance.
That's the unfair part of this show for me.
Totally agree with that last part. I think I have said in another thread already that the first couple of weeks should be an introduction to all the skaters, and then once we have seen them all, make a decision. But then ITV would have two weeks with no phone in cash cow to rely on.
Heidi didn't do well in the poll nor did Andy considering there are so many people rooting for him.
I think with Andy, a lot of people thought he had potential, but they don't bother to vote at this stage of the competition. The people voting now are those who are mad keen fans, or just ordinary fans of anyone in the bottom two with bad comments. The people who would know Andy best, the Blue Peter fans, are probably too young to vote. Mark is known to older kids tv fans, and This Morning viewers too, so more votes.
Heidi wasn't very high in the leaderboard, but she got good comments, and being on first, people didn't really notice.
I usually watch DOI every year and love it but I cannot watch while that Louie is on.
I tuned in to watch the result hoping he would not be on it much (big mistake 'cos they only seemed to be interested in his comments not Robin's or Katerina's) so I only saw the skate off but I thought Andy was in a totally different class and could not believe Robin's comment - I like a bit of sugar with my babe - if this wasn't proof that they intended to keep the Sugababe in no matter what I don't know what is.
A total travesty. I doubt if I'll tune in again at all.
Shocked by Robins decision.
I thought Andy was by far the more natural skater - Heidi was stiff and slow - Andy had flair over the ice and great potential.
Such a shame he is out - I was looking forward to more from him.
There is every possibility they based the decision over what they have been seeing during the last few weeks off screen.
Torvill and Dean were on Daybreak or This Morning (I can't recall which) and I'm sure they were bigging up Heidi as a dark horse. Perhaps nerves got to her and they know that she does genuinely have more potential based on rehearsals so far.
If your going to argue that Heidi was merely being carried around by Andrei then the same can be applied to Jorgie to as a large part of her routine was lifts as well and that worked in her favour because of her dance background but I don't see the complaints about that. Yes she did skate on her own and it was good but there were a lot of lifts in her routine too so its not fair to single out Heidi on that point. It was also pointed out in her VT that she would have to ensure her basics were strong and not just rely on the lifts etc.
Personally wasn't impressed by either couple really think both routines had faults and if we don't know if Heidi's routine had to be changed after Sylvain got injured which potentially meant getting used to a new partner and potentially a changed or new routine in just a matter of weeks so she was at a bit of a disadvantage.
I found Andy's routine to be a bit all over the place and I don't think its some big conspiracy and just because Louie marked him lower hardly means he had it in for him like it was some kind of vendetta and I don't think that Louie would have any major influenece over Robin's vote as some seem to think.
Not really offended by who went and who stayed from the bottom two we had although it should have been Mark really who went home tonight.
There was a world of difference between Heidi's stiff, clunky lifts at arthritic snail speed and Jorgie's smooth elegant beautiful, soft, ballet inspired lifts with gorgeous extensions at a good speed. On the ice Jorgie looked smooth and skated into the ice, where Heidi was very much on top of the ice and looking terrified, was held up by her partner at all times and off ice appeared to have no personality to speak of whereas at least Jorgie seemed enthusiastic and excitable (though this may become irritating perhaps). i didn't know either girl before the show but Heidi just seemed incredibly dull both in the routine and off ice.
The partner change thing was a bit of a red herring since the basic skills are individual and not partner dependent and you can be sure the pro's are chosen because they are easy to skate with. If it was a beginner having to adjust to another beginner then there is some validity but really not a great deal when it is beginner with a pro skater.
Andy at least had a personality and his independent skating showed promise - just needing a bit of finessing but his knee bend was good and he had rhythm and spirit. Heidi was like a wooden doll being carefully posed and placed and dragged.
I thought the comments after the skates were pretty telling. Heidi saying she wasn't as good and T & D rushing to say she was better and Robin's rather strange reasoning - have to wonder if it wasn't more about 'product placement' this week ('celebs' being the product).
I'm still confused about the way in which the skate off is/should be judged.
Is it meant to be
a) the two couples are in effect rescored/rejudged against each other (this is what they appear to suggest when they say the previous performance is forgotten) OR
b) they are each rejudged just against their own previous performance only, and the one who comes out of this more favourably gets the non regardless of relative score to each other?
There was a world of difference between Heidi's stiff, clunky lifts at arthritic snail speed and Jorgie's smooth elegant beautiful, soft, ballet inspired lifts with gorgeous extensions at a good speed. On the ice Jorgie looked smooth and skated into the ice, where Heidi was very much on top of the ice and looking terrified, was held up by her partner at all times and off ice appeared to have no personality to speak of whereas at least Jorgie seemed enthusiastic and excitable (though this may become irritating perhaps). i didn't know either girl before the show but Heidi just seemed incredibly dull both in the routine and off ice.
The partner change thing was a bit of a red herring since the basic skills are individual and not partner dependent and you can be sure the pro's are chosen because they are easy to skate with. If it was a beginner having to adjust to another beginner then there is some validity but really not a great deal when it is beginner with a pro skater.
Andy at least had a personality and his independent skating showed promise - just needing a bit of finessing but his knee bend was good and he had rhythm and spirit. Heidi was like a wooden doll being carefully posed and placed and dragged.
I thought the comments after the skates were pretty telling. Heidi saying she wasn't as good and T & D rushing to say she was better and Robin's rather strange reasoning - have to wonder if it wasn't more about 'product placement' this week ('celebs' being the product).
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I have to say I totally agree. Product placement was exactly how this skate off felt to me, I believe I said something similar earlier on. I felt that as slow as Heidi was, she went into the lifts even slower. She had some nice lines but the transitions weren't very clean. It was very clear she was being set down on the ice when lifts had ended. I'm disappointed that Andy has gone because I felt he would have improved a lot in the coming weeks. Oh well, should be used to it by now I suppose.
If this is an indication of what is to come I can see a lot of people losing respect for Robin - and katarina becoming the most popular and fairest judge
Robin got it very badly wrong last night. I hope he has had the guts to apologise to Andy
Totally agree with that last part. I think I have said in another thread already that the first couple of weeks should be an introduction to all the skaters, and then once we have seen them all, make a decision. But then ITV would have two weeks with no phone in cash cow to rely on.
Well not if they do it so viewers vote but it gets carried over to thier 2nd performance in week 3 where all the skaters dance. So instead of anyone going in week 1 and 2 they don't and then in week 3 one or two people go after the judges scores and viewers votes for the week 1 group and week 2 group have been added to thier week 3 routine.
It'd make better sense because then we'd have seen them do two routines each and it'll give a clearer picture who should leave.
Well all those complaining Andy shouldn't have been bottom 2 and shouldn't have gone then maybe more people should have voted for him then and he wouldn't have been in the skate off.
Its always the same plently of people on here moan that the wrong person went but how many do actually put in the effort to vote for them to stay.
Icedragon it does make a difference with regards to the lifts etc when there is a partner change Suzanne acknowledged it on the tour a few years back when skating with Lucaz instead of Matt that hand holds etc were all different and getting into lifts etc were different and had to be relearned so it will have been the same with Heidi and may have knocked her overall confidence for performing.
I prefer to not make snap judgements on the first week and wait till everyone has performed on Week 3 then if its still the same but fair enough but skating out 1st on the first show having had to change partner just a couple of weeks ago would have been enough to knock most peoples confidence.
Shocked by Robins decision.
I thought Andy was by far the more natural skater - Heidi was stiff and slow - Andy had flair over the ice and great potential.
Such a shame he is out - I was looking forward to more from him.
I didn't watch the results show but Robins choosing to let Andy go is appalling imo, I shan't be watching now, it's a farce. He will know he chose wrong, I presume Katarina chose Andy to stay, she knows what she is talking about, obviously Robin doesn't. I love ice skating but I will now wait for the proper stuff, Eruopean Championships coming soon.
Voted for Andy and was disappointed Robin didn't save him. And for those who say "little known" of Andy, I wouldn't recongnise many of the various Sugarbabes line ups if they passed me in the street but I'd recognise Andy, Sam and Mark!
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Personally wasn't impressed by either couple really think both routines had faults and if we don't know if Heidi's routine had to be changed after Sylvain got injured which potentially meant getting used to a new partner and potentially a changed or new routine in just a matter of weeks so she was at a bit of a disadvantage.
I found Andy's routine to be a bit all over the place and I don't think its some big conspiracy and just because Louie marked him lower hardly means he had it in for him like it was some kind of vendetta and I don't think that Louie would have any major influenece over Robin's vote as some seem to think.
Not really offended by who went and who stayed from the bottom two we had although it should have been Mark really who went home tonight.
I think this is a difficult one. Personally, I reckon that if a celeb is obviously spending most of the time being carried round and little on the ice there's a reason for it (i.e. they can't skate very well). I have no problem with lifts as long as the celeb also shows good basic skating skill (as Jorgie did but Heidi didn't really). The show's about entertainment so a good female is still going to have to do s fair amount of lift work to ensure the proportion of the spectacular remains high (witness Clare, Suzanne and Hayley). Yet all three of the aforementioned managed to demonstrate fluent on-ice work as well and I don't recall anyone really questioning their high marks.
Personally I'd prefer it if lifts were kept out of things in week one. Apart from the odd high, flashy one for the girls, have everyone on the ice for most of the routine. That'll give us a basic idea about who can actually skate. Then, when one of the girls has a mainly aerial display routine we can at least reassure ourselves (or not) that they have previously demonstrated solid skating ability. Won't ever happen of course because I am a freak and everyone else wants to see celebs being thrown about left, right, centre, top, middle, bottom and upside down.
Thing is ice dance never used to be all about the lifts well I'm talking competitive ice dance anyway and was mostly about on ice work and about working as a pair which is why although its good to see the celebs skate and do things on their own I don't quite understand the obsession with getting them to do lots of things on their own as in traditional ice dance the pair are meant to stay together mostly but thats me being a bit pedantic.
That was why I said I didn't have an issue with Jorgie as such as she did show good basics although she was warned to improve them in the VT whether Heidi's were a bit clunky but there are some who are using the lifts in Heidi's as ammunition to a point because she knocked out Andy but to use the lift/tricks arguement you have to apply that to all the female celebs not just to suit the arguement at hand.
I think there has been too much reliance on the major showy stuff and it would be nice to get back to some basics and show real ice dance.
It's usually fairly obvious (or at least becomes so) if a celeb is being kept off the ice because she's not confident on it. It looked as if this might be the case with Heidi but not with Jorgie. Likewise, most of the previous high scoring females have all shown a good basic ability to skate so despite the fact that they aren't/weren't spending large portions of the routine whizzing around by themselves it was still apparent that they were happy on the ice and weren't overly reliant on their partner. The issue with Heidi (that doesn't seem to be apparent with Jorgie) is that she doesn't seem confident on the ice yet so the "carrying around" sections of her routine as well as the lifts look as if they may have been choreographed to hide skating weakness. When she was on the ice she seemed to be being guided and steered into position by Andre and there seemed to be a good portion of the routine in which she was off the ice possibly for the sake of it. This contrasted with Jorgie's routine where her times off the ice fitted with the routine and her time on the ice looked more assured. She looked like she was taking herself to where she needed to go rather than being guided there by her partner.
This may simply be first week nerves and I may be completely wrong as to Heidi's ability on the ice. However, she's kind of on a yellow card now. If she doesn't show some on-ice confidence soon I fear she'll be out.
You are making a judgement the judges can't make and assuming that Heidi should be marked down for doing just what she's been told to do. You then assume a reason for her routine being that way thats based on no evidence - T and D have created similar routines for all sorts of people in recent years of all sorts of ability. The aim of the skating is to facilitate the dancing. If you show you can move around a bit, but its pointless as you can't keep in time and look messy, you don't get as much for it as if you do a dancing routine (dull as it was written) properly.
I think they did that. The VT shows Jorgie can do bigger lifts already. They seemed to be trying to kill the Bonnie argument about lifts by pointing out she could skate in her VT. Unfortunately, the way these things work some people will just repeat the message of the VT that it was an issue - and never realise that the message is that she worked on that and passed that test. If you look at Clare and Jorgie's week one routines, they seem to be moving Jorgie nicely into things by stressing her dancing and skating and then can add big lifts later. Clare starts doing more, and with much bigger lifts, and gets more marks - Jorgie may be being held back more.
The idea that the girls shouldn't be lifted, as you imply, doesn't make much sense - as thats precisely what the pro girls will be doing and the celeb girls have the job of matching the most visible element of the male celebs routines. Indeed, the poorer the boy celebs can skate or dance, the more lifts and distractions the pro girls will be doing if their man can get them airborne.
Not sure why Heidi got that routine. It could be a new easier routine with a new partner, or one shaped back to her ability, or just a stock routine. It may reflect her ability, but its also the same sort of routine thats turned up for many people who have been seen as middle field contenders like Melinda or Denise. Even Hayley got a lot of the same types of moves- though she often got more to act and had spins and things instead of the missing lifts.Chemmy and Jorgi got good routines - perhaps they can only come up with so many a week.
Likeability is obviously the key at the moment and Mark is very likeable. However, I thought Andy was lovely too and, if anyone had to go, for me, it should have been Heidi.
Far too often we get robbed of seeing someone with real talent go out early. Let's be honest...whatsherface from Eastenders (the old girl....don't watch the show so can't recall her name. Mo?) is not going to be very good - but there is a real chance viewers will keep voting her in, and stuff like that ruins the show for me. I love seeing the best skaters make real progress throughout the series.
Heidi didn't do well in the poll nor did Andy considering there are so many people rooting for him.
I don't understand why they let someone go home last night, it should only be the case when we have seen all the skaters.
There could be some next week that just about manage to stand on the ice never mind dance.
That's the unfair part of this show for me.
Totally agree with that last part. I think I have said in another thread already that the first couple of weeks should be an introduction to all the skaters, and then once we have seen them all, make a decision. But then ITV would have two weeks with no phone in cash cow to rely on.
Heidi wasn't very high in the leaderboard, but she got good comments, and being on first, people didn't really notice.
I tuned in to watch the result hoping he would not be on it much (big mistake 'cos they only seemed to be interested in his comments not Robin's or Katerina's) so I only saw the skate off but I thought Andy was in a totally different class and could not believe Robin's comment - I like a bit of sugar with my babe - if this wasn't proof that they intended to keep the Sugababe in no matter what I don't know what is.
A total travesty. I doubt if I'll tune in again at all.
I thought Andy was by far the more natural skater - Heidi was stiff and slow - Andy had flair over the ice and great potential.
Such a shame he is out - I was looking forward to more from him.
Torvill and Dean were on Daybreak or This Morning (I can't recall which) and I'm sure they were bigging up Heidi as a dark horse. Perhaps nerves got to her and they know that she does genuinely have more potential based on rehearsals so far.
There was a world of difference between Heidi's stiff, clunky lifts at arthritic snail speed and Jorgie's smooth elegant beautiful, soft, ballet inspired lifts with gorgeous extensions at a good speed. On the ice Jorgie looked smooth and skated into the ice, where Heidi was very much on top of the ice and looking terrified, was held up by her partner at all times and off ice appeared to have no personality to speak of whereas at least Jorgie seemed enthusiastic and excitable (though this may become irritating perhaps). i didn't know either girl before the show but Heidi just seemed incredibly dull both in the routine and off ice.
The partner change thing was a bit of a red herring since the basic skills are individual and not partner dependent and you can be sure the pro's are chosen because they are easy to skate with. If it was a beginner having to adjust to another beginner then there is some validity but really not a great deal when it is beginner with a pro skater.
Andy at least had a personality and his independent skating showed promise - just needing a bit of finessing but his knee bend was good and he had rhythm and spirit. Heidi was like a wooden doll being carefully posed and placed and dragged.
I thought the comments after the skates were pretty telling. Heidi saying she wasn't as good and T & D rushing to say she was better and Robin's rather strange reasoning - have to wonder if it wasn't more about 'product placement' this week ('celebs' being the product).
Is it meant to be
a) the two couples are in effect rescored/rejudged against each other (this is what they appear to suggest when they say the previous performance is forgotten) OR
b) they are each rejudged just against their own previous performance only, and the one who comes out of this more favourably gets the non regardless of relative score to each other?
Hey, Ice Dragon. It's nice to see you back again this year.
I have to say I totally agree. Product placement was exactly how this skate off felt to me, I believe I said something similar earlier on. I felt that as slow as Heidi was, she went into the lifts even slower. She had some nice lines but the transitions weren't very clean. It was very clear she was being set down on the ice when lifts had ended. I'm disappointed that Andy has gone because I felt he would have improved a lot in the coming weeks. Oh well, should be used to it by now I suppose.
Robin got it very badly wrong last night. I hope he has had the guts to apologise to Andy
Well not if they do it so viewers vote but it gets carried over to thier 2nd performance in week 3 where all the skaters dance. So instead of anyone going in week 1 and 2 they don't and then in week 3 one or two people go after the judges scores and viewers votes for the week 1 group and week 2 group have been added to thier week 3 routine.
It'd make better sense because then we'd have seen them do two routines each and it'll give a clearer picture who should leave.
Its always the same plently of people on here moan that the wrong person went but how many do actually put in the effort to vote for them to stay.
Icedragon it does make a difference with regards to the lifts etc when there is a partner change Suzanne acknowledged it on the tour a few years back when skating with Lucaz instead of Matt that hand holds etc were all different and getting into lifts etc were different and had to be relearned so it will have been the same with Heidi and may have knocked her overall confidence for performing.
I prefer to not make snap judgements on the first week and wait till everyone has performed on Week 3 then if its still the same but fair enough but skating out 1st on the first show having had to change partner just a couple of weeks ago would have been enough to knock most peoples confidence.
I didn't watch the results show but Robins choosing to let Andy go is appalling imo, I shan't be watching now, it's a farce. He will know he chose wrong, I presume Katarina chose Andy to stay, she knows what she is talking about, obviously Robin doesn't. I love ice skating but I will now wait for the proper stuff, Eruopean Championships coming soon.