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Survivor 2011: New Who - Enemies And Adversaries Round Twelve
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Apologies for the lateness of this round.....
Thanks to everyone who voted in Round Eleven. :):D
If you haven't played a Survivor game before and would like to join in it's all very easy. All you need to do is cast your eye down the enemies and adversaries listed below and decide which SIX of them you like the least.
Once you've sorted that out simply post your six choices on this thread or send them to me via Private Message, then sit back and wait for the results to be announced. It's as simple as that!
You can also send your choices to the succeeding rounds by typing ”auto”. Just remember that if one or more of your choices is evicted then you’ll need to replace them to make them up to the required amount of six enemies / adversaries.
In the event of a tie cumulative votes are taken into account.
With votes from 53.85% of you it’s Francesco that takes pole position in this round
There was a tie in second place, but after the cumulative votes were taken into account Colonel Manton is second in line for the Exit closely followed by The Futurekind
And there was tie in fourth place with five adversaries all getting votes from 30.77% of you. Even after the cumulative votes from the previous rounds were taken into account two of those five were unable to be separated so The Reapers and the Vampire Girls are evicted together.
Well done to Muttley76, Solid60 and Tumpy who all managed to pick three of the five evicted characters.
To recap:-
{29=} 51) Tooth & Claw: Werewolf
{41=} 52) Planet Of The Ood: Mr. Halpen (Tim McInnery)
{31} 53) The Next Doctor: Miss Hartigan (Dervla Kirwan)
{NE} 54) Planet Of The Dead: Stingrays (various)
{NE} 55) The Pandorica Opens: Commander Stark (Christopher Ryan)
{34} 56) The Shakespeare Code: Lilith (Christina Cole)
{NE} 57) Vincent And The Doctor: Krafgis
{47} 58) Tooth & Claw: The Monks
{NE} 59) The Doctor’s Wife: Aunt (Elizabeth Berrington)
{NE} 60) The Curse Of The Black Spot: The Siren (Lily Cole)
{26} 61) Boom Town: Margaret Blaine (Annette Badland)
{27} 62) Partners In Crime: Miss Foster (Sarah Lancashire)
{45} 63) The Long Game: The Editor (Simon Pegg)
{NE} 63) The Rebel Flesh / The Almost People: Cleaves (Raquel Cassidy)
{25} 65) Cassandra (Zoe Wannamaker) (various episodes)
{51} 66=) The Unquiet Dead: The Gelth
{39=} 66=) The Shakespeare Code: Carrionites: {Mothers Doomfinger / Bloodtide plus “swarm” at the end}
{NE} 68=) The Lodger: Alien Ship aka Top Floor Flat.
{NE} 68=) A Christmas Carol: Shark
{43} 70) The Fires Of Pompeii: Lucius (Phil Davies)
{NE} 71) The Rebel Flesh / The Almost People: Jennifer (Sarah Smart)
{NE} 72) The Beast Below: The Smilers (various)
{33} 73) The Fires Of Pompeii: The Pyroviles
{55} 74) Dalek: Henry Van Statten (Corey Johnson)
{62} 75) Daleks In Manhattan / Evolution Of The Daleks: Mr. Diagoras (Eric Loren)
{38} 76) Daleks In Manhattan / Evolution Of The Daleks: Dalek Sec (various)
{73} 77) The End Of The World: Metal Spiders
{NE} 78) Amy’s Choice: Mrs Poggit (Audrey Ardington)
{39=} 79=) Smith & Jones: Miss Finnegan (Anne Reid)
{36} 79=) Turn Left: Fortune Teller (Chipo Chung)
{46} 81) The Sontaran Strategem / The Poison Sky: Luke Rattigan (Ryan Sampson)
{48} 82) New Earth: The Sisters Of Plentiude
{58=} 83) Rise Of The Cybermen / Age Of Steel: John Lumic (Roger Lloyd Pack)
{NE} 84) The Hungry Earth / Cold Blood: Ambrose (Nia Roberts)
{56} 85) The Doctor's Daughter: General Cobb (Nigel Terry)
{57} 86) The Doctor's Daughter: The Hath
{49=} 87=) Planet Of The Ood: Commander Kess (Roger Griffiths)
{53} 87=) Voyage Of The Damned: The Host
{37} 89) The Runaway Bride: Empress of the Racnoss (Sarah Parish)
{NE} 90) The End Of Time: Joshua Naismith (David Harewood)
{49=} 91) The Unicorn & The Wasp: Reverend Golightly (Tom Goodman-Hill)
{41=} 92=) Turn Left: Time Beetle (various)
{58=} 92=) The Lazarus Experiment: Professor Lazarus (Mark Gatiss)
{NE} 94=) The End Of Time: Abigail Naismith (Tracey Ifeachor)
{61} 94=) Bad Wolf / The Parting Of The Ways: Anne Droid (Anne Robinson)
{78} 96=) Aliens Of London / World War III: The Slitheen
{72} 96=) Voyage Of The Damned: Max Capricorn (George Costigan)
{63} 98) The Idiot's Lantern: The Wire (Maureen Lipman)
{80} 99) Love And Monsters: The Abzorbaloff ( Peter Kay)
{77} 100) Fear Her: Chloe Webber (Abisola Agbaje)
The Play Your Cards Right Bit
They’ve appeared in a few stories and Solid60 has selected the Possessed Ood for you to have a think about.
In 2009 they were ranked in tenth place.
So, what do you think will happen this year? Will they be higher, lower or in the same position than 2009?
The Play Your Cards Right Leaderboard
Back in Round Two williambarkley selected The Reapers for you to vote on. Everyone decided that they’d fall down the chart and everyone was correct so the leaderboard remains largely unchanged.
01=) Three Predictions correct from three
crazzyaz7
Solid60
syramu
williambarkley
05=) Two Predictions correct from two
clever chick
gogfumble
07=) Two Predictions correct from three
carefactornil
Verence
09) One Predictions correct from two
Tumpy
08) One Prediction correct from three
Muttley76
Round Twelve Question {courtesy of carefactornil}
What's more important to you in this Survivor when picking - the look of the character (e.g. make-up, CGI) or the actual performance? Performance can be a combination of acting, voice, mannerisms, etc.
And what do you therefore think is:-
+ the best looking character with the worst performance,
and
+ the best performance but ruined by a bad look?
The Prediction Games
Just one small change in this round with the exit of the Vampire Girls. syramu slips out of the Top Group.:-
Prediction Game Two
Nine Predictions Left
carefactornil
clever chick
james2018
Muttley76
williambarkley
17@17
Eight Predictions Left
Gogfumble
Solid60
syramu
Tumpy
Verence
So, it's on with the game then. Time to pick your six least favourite enemies / adversaries from:-
Recurring:
01) The Daleks (various episodes)
02) The Cybermen (various episodes)
03) The Possessed Ood (various episodes)
04) Dalek Caan (various episodes)
05) The Sound Of Drums / Last Of The Timelords: Harold Saxon / The Master (John Simm)
06) The Weeping Angels (various episodes)
07) Autons (various episodes)
Season One:
08) The Empty Child/The Doctor Dances - The Tula Zombies
09) Bad Wolf / The Parting Of The Ways: Emperor Dalek & Fleet
10) The Christmas Invasion: The Sycorax
11) Dalek: The Lone Dalek (various)
12) The Christmas Invasion: Sycorax Leader (Sean Gilder)
Season Two:
13) School Reunion: The Krillitanes
14) The Girl In The Fireplace: Clockwork Droids
15) The Impossible Planet / The Satan Pit: Satan
16) School Reunion: Mr. Finch (Anthony Stewart Head)
17) The Impossible Planet / The Satan Pit: Toby Zed (Will Thorp)
18) Army Of Ghosts / Doomsday: Black Dalek (various)
19) Army Of Ghosts / Doomsday: Cyberleader (various)
Season Three:
20) Smith & Jones: The Judoon
21) Human Nature / The Family Of Blood: The Family Of Blood
22) Human Nature / The Family Of Blood: Scarecrow Soldiers
23) The Sound Of Drums / Last Of The Timelords: The Toclafane
24) Utopia: The Master (Derek Jacobi)
Season Four:
25) Silence In The Library / Forest Of The Dead: Vashta Nerada {shadows / skeletons in spacesuits}
26) The Sontaran Strategem / The Poison Sky: General Staal (Christopher Ryan)
27) Midnight: The possessed Sky Silvestry (Lesley Sharp)
28) The Stolen Earth / Journey's End: Davros (Julian Bleach)
Specials:
29) The Waters Of Mars: The Flood (various)
30) The End Of Time: Rasillon (Timothy Dalton)
Season Five:
31) The Eleventh Hour: Prisoner Zero (various)
32) The Eleventh Hour: Atraxi (various)
33) The Pandorica Opens: Stone Dalek
34) The Time Of Angels / Flesh And Stone Angel Bob (David Atkins)
35) Vampires Of Venice: Rosanna (Helen McCrory)
36) Amy’s Choice: Dream Lord (Toby Jones)
37) The Hungry Earth /Cold Blood Alaya (Neve McIntosh)
38) Cold Blood: Restac (Neve McIntosh)
39) A Christmas Carol: Elliot Sardick (Michael Gambon)
Season Six:
40) A Good Man Goes To War: Headless Monks (various)
41) The Impossible Astronaut / Day Of The Moon: The Silent (Marnix Van den Broeke)
42) The Doctor’s Wife: House (Michael Sheen)
43) The Doctor’s Wife: Uncle (Adrian Schiller)
44) The Doctor’s Wife: Nephew (Paul Kasey)
45) A Good Man Goes To War: Madame Kovarian (Frances Barber)
+++ The deadline for your votes is 8pm on Tuesday 30 August +++
Thanks to everyone who voted in Round Eleven. :):D
If you haven't played a Survivor game before and would like to join in it's all very easy. All you need to do is cast your eye down the enemies and adversaries listed below and decide which SIX of them you like the least.
Once you've sorted that out simply post your six choices on this thread or send them to me via Private Message, then sit back and wait for the results to be announced. It's as simple as that!
You can also send your choices to the succeeding rounds by typing ”auto”. Just remember that if one or more of your choices is evicted then you’ll need to replace them to make them up to the required amount of six enemies / adversaries.
In the event of a tie cumulative votes are taken into account.
With votes from 53.85% of you it’s Francesco that takes pole position in this round
There was a tie in second place, but after the cumulative votes were taken into account Colonel Manton is second in line for the Exit closely followed by The Futurekind
And there was tie in fourth place with five adversaries all getting votes from 30.77% of you. Even after the cumulative votes from the previous rounds were taken into account two of those five were unable to be separated so The Reapers and the Vampire Girls are evicted together.
Well done to Muttley76, Solid60 and Tumpy who all managed to pick three of the five evicted characters.
To recap:-
{29=} 51) Tooth & Claw: Werewolf
{41=} 52) Planet Of The Ood: Mr. Halpen (Tim McInnery)
{31} 53) The Next Doctor: Miss Hartigan (Dervla Kirwan)
{NE} 54) Planet Of The Dead: Stingrays (various)
{NE} 55) The Pandorica Opens: Commander Stark (Christopher Ryan)
{34} 56) The Shakespeare Code: Lilith (Christina Cole)
{NE} 57) Vincent And The Doctor: Krafgis
{47} 58) Tooth & Claw: The Monks
{NE} 59) The Doctor’s Wife: Aunt (Elizabeth Berrington)
{NE} 60) The Curse Of The Black Spot: The Siren (Lily Cole)
{26} 61) Boom Town: Margaret Blaine (Annette Badland)
{27} 62) Partners In Crime: Miss Foster (Sarah Lancashire)
{45} 63) The Long Game: The Editor (Simon Pegg)
{NE} 63) The Rebel Flesh / The Almost People: Cleaves (Raquel Cassidy)
{25} 65) Cassandra (Zoe Wannamaker) (various episodes)
{51} 66=) The Unquiet Dead: The Gelth
{39=} 66=) The Shakespeare Code: Carrionites: {Mothers Doomfinger / Bloodtide plus “swarm” at the end}
{NE} 68=) The Lodger: Alien Ship aka Top Floor Flat.
{NE} 68=) A Christmas Carol: Shark
{43} 70) The Fires Of Pompeii: Lucius (Phil Davies)
{NE} 71) The Rebel Flesh / The Almost People: Jennifer (Sarah Smart)
{NE} 72) The Beast Below: The Smilers (various)
{33} 73) The Fires Of Pompeii: The Pyroviles
{55} 74) Dalek: Henry Van Statten (Corey Johnson)
{62} 75) Daleks In Manhattan / Evolution Of The Daleks: Mr. Diagoras (Eric Loren)
{38} 76) Daleks In Manhattan / Evolution Of The Daleks: Dalek Sec (various)
{73} 77) The End Of The World: Metal Spiders
{NE} 78) Amy’s Choice: Mrs Poggit (Audrey Ardington)
{39=} 79=) Smith & Jones: Miss Finnegan (Anne Reid)
{36} 79=) Turn Left: Fortune Teller (Chipo Chung)
{46} 81) The Sontaran Strategem / The Poison Sky: Luke Rattigan (Ryan Sampson)
{48} 82) New Earth: The Sisters Of Plentiude
{58=} 83) Rise Of The Cybermen / Age Of Steel: John Lumic (Roger Lloyd Pack)
{NE} 84) The Hungry Earth / Cold Blood: Ambrose (Nia Roberts)
{56} 85) The Doctor's Daughter: General Cobb (Nigel Terry)
{57} 86) The Doctor's Daughter: The Hath
{49=} 87=) Planet Of The Ood: Commander Kess (Roger Griffiths)
{53} 87=) Voyage Of The Damned: The Host
{37} 89) The Runaway Bride: Empress of the Racnoss (Sarah Parish)
{NE} 90) The End Of Time: Joshua Naismith (David Harewood)
{49=} 91) The Unicorn & The Wasp: Reverend Golightly (Tom Goodman-Hill)
{41=} 92=) Turn Left: Time Beetle (various)
{58=} 92=) The Lazarus Experiment: Professor Lazarus (Mark Gatiss)
{NE} 94=) The End Of Time: Abigail Naismith (Tracey Ifeachor)
{61} 94=) Bad Wolf / The Parting Of The Ways: Anne Droid (Anne Robinson)
{78} 96=) Aliens Of London / World War III: The Slitheen
{72} 96=) Voyage Of The Damned: Max Capricorn (George Costigan)
{63} 98) The Idiot's Lantern: The Wire (Maureen Lipman)
{80} 99) Love And Monsters: The Abzorbaloff ( Peter Kay)
{77} 100) Fear Her: Chloe Webber (Abisola Agbaje)
The Play Your Cards Right Bit
They’ve appeared in a few stories and Solid60 has selected the Possessed Ood for you to have a think about.
In 2009 they were ranked in tenth place.
So, what do you think will happen this year? Will they be higher, lower or in the same position than 2009?
The Play Your Cards Right Leaderboard
Back in Round Two williambarkley selected The Reapers for you to vote on. Everyone decided that they’d fall down the chart and everyone was correct so the leaderboard remains largely unchanged.
01=) Three Predictions correct from three
crazzyaz7
Solid60
syramu
williambarkley
05=) Two Predictions correct from two
clever chick
gogfumble
07=) Two Predictions correct from three
carefactornil
Verence
09) One Predictions correct from two
Tumpy
08) One Prediction correct from three
Muttley76
Round Twelve Question {courtesy of carefactornil}
What's more important to you in this Survivor when picking - the look of the character (e.g. make-up, CGI) or the actual performance? Performance can be a combination of acting, voice, mannerisms, etc.
And what do you therefore think is:-
+ the best looking character with the worst performance,
and
+ the best performance but ruined by a bad look?
The Prediction Games
Just one small change in this round with the exit of the Vampire Girls. syramu slips out of the Top Group.:-
Prediction Game Two
Nine Predictions Left
carefactornil
clever chick
james2018
Muttley76
williambarkley
17@17
Eight Predictions Left
Gogfumble
Solid60
syramu
Tumpy
Verence
So, it's on with the game then. Time to pick your six least favourite enemies / adversaries from:-
Recurring:
01) The Daleks (various episodes)
02) The Cybermen (various episodes)
03) The Possessed Ood (various episodes)
04) Dalek Caan (various episodes)
05) The Sound Of Drums / Last Of The Timelords: Harold Saxon / The Master (John Simm)
06) The Weeping Angels (various episodes)
07) Autons (various episodes)
Season One:
08) The Empty Child/The Doctor Dances - The Tula Zombies
09) Bad Wolf / The Parting Of The Ways: Emperor Dalek & Fleet
10) The Christmas Invasion: The Sycorax
11) Dalek: The Lone Dalek (various)
12) The Christmas Invasion: Sycorax Leader (Sean Gilder)
Season Two:
13) School Reunion: The Krillitanes
14) The Girl In The Fireplace: Clockwork Droids
15) The Impossible Planet / The Satan Pit: Satan
16) School Reunion: Mr. Finch (Anthony Stewart Head)
17) The Impossible Planet / The Satan Pit: Toby Zed (Will Thorp)
18) Army Of Ghosts / Doomsday: Black Dalek (various)
19) Army Of Ghosts / Doomsday: Cyberleader (various)
Season Three:
20) Smith & Jones: The Judoon
21) Human Nature / The Family Of Blood: The Family Of Blood
22) Human Nature / The Family Of Blood: Scarecrow Soldiers
23) The Sound Of Drums / Last Of The Timelords: The Toclafane
24) Utopia: The Master (Derek Jacobi)
Season Four:
25) Silence In The Library / Forest Of The Dead: Vashta Nerada {shadows / skeletons in spacesuits}
26) The Sontaran Strategem / The Poison Sky: General Staal (Christopher Ryan)
27) Midnight: The possessed Sky Silvestry (Lesley Sharp)
28) The Stolen Earth / Journey's End: Davros (Julian Bleach)
Specials:
29) The Waters Of Mars: The Flood (various)
30) The End Of Time: Rasillon (Timothy Dalton)
Season Five:
31) The Eleventh Hour: Prisoner Zero (various)
32) The Eleventh Hour: Atraxi (various)
33) The Pandorica Opens: Stone Dalek
34) The Time Of Angels / Flesh And Stone Angel Bob (David Atkins)
35) Vampires Of Venice: Rosanna (Helen McCrory)
36) Amy’s Choice: Dream Lord (Toby Jones)
37) The Hungry Earth /Cold Blood Alaya (Neve McIntosh)
38) Cold Blood: Restac (Neve McIntosh)
39) A Christmas Carol: Elliot Sardick (Michael Gambon)
Season Six:
40) A Good Man Goes To War: Headless Monks (various)
41) The Impossible Astronaut / Day Of The Moon: The Silent (Marnix Van den Broeke)
42) The Doctor’s Wife: House (Michael Sheen)
43) The Doctor’s Wife: Uncle (Adrian Schiller)
44) The Doctor’s Wife: Nephew (Paul Kasey)
45) A Good Man Goes To War: Madame Kovarian (Frances Barber)
+++ The deadline for your votes is 8pm on Tuesday 30 August +++
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Comments
Right so old votes:
The Christmas Invasion: Sycorax Leader (Sean Gilder)
The Christmas Invasion: The Sycorax
The Eleventh Hour: Atraxi (various)
New votes:
The Fires Of Pompeii: The Pyroviles
School Reunion: The Krillitanes
- both pretty well done without being especially memorable (in the case of the Krillitanes it's Mr Finch that lingers in the mind)
and
Army Of Ghosts / Doomsday: Cyberleader (various) - for being a wuss!
Higher for the Ood
In relation to the first question hands down The Smilers. The second one, probably The Wire. Much as it pains me to say it ,could have been quite interesting if not for Lipmen's woeful OTT performance.
The Cybermen (various episodes)
Cold Blood: Restac (Neve McIntosh)
Autons (various episodes)
Army Of Ghosts / Doomsday: Cyberleader (various)
School Reunion: The Krillitanes
Lower please
26) The Sontaran Strategem / The Poison Sky: General Staal (Christopher Ryan)
17) The Impossible Planet / The Satan Pit: Toby Zed (Will Thorp)
11) Dalek: The Lone Dalek (various)
09) Bad Wolf / The Parting Of The Ways: Emperor Dalek & Fleet
37) The Hungry Earth /Cold Blood Alaya (Neve McIntosh)
05) The Sound Of Drums / Last Of The Timelords: Harold Saxon / The Master (John Simm)
28) The Stolen Earth / Journey's End: Davros (Julian Bleach)
04) Dalek Caan (various episodes)
36) Amy’s Choice: Dream Lord (Toby Jones)
22) Human Nature / The Family Of Blood: Scarecrow Soldiers
New:
32) The Eleventh Hour: Atraxi (various)
I think performance is more important when choosing an individual villain (like Prisoner Zero or an incarnation of the Master), but look becomes more important while considering a group like the Weeping Angels.
It's hard to choose worst performance/best look and best performance/worst look, but I'd go with:
worst performance/best look - John Simm's Master (based mostly on The End of Time)
best performance/worst look - Clockwork Droids
Ah well, one of mine gone, so my nominations are now;
Black Dalek (Doomsday)
Cyberleader (Doomsday)
The Toclafane (Sound of Drums/Last of the Time Lords)
Atraxi (The Eleventh Hour)
Stone Dalek (The Pandorica Opens)
Nephew (The Doctor's Wife)
Haven't the Pyroviles already gone?
so they have....thanks:)
I'll add Black Dalek instead.
Midnight: The possessed Sky Silvestry (Lesley Sharp)
Vampires Of Venice: Rosanna (Helen McCrory)
The Doctor’s Wife: House (Michael Sheen)
The Doctor’s Wife: Uncle (Adrian Schiller)
The Doctor’s Wife: Nephew (Paul Kasey)
Old votes
The Eleventh Hour: Atraxi (various)
The Christmas Invasion: Sycorax Leader (Sean Gilder)
The Doctor's Wife: Uncle (Adrian Schiller)
A Christmas Carol: Elliot Sardick (Michael Gambon)
New votes
Army of Ghosts / Doomsday: Cyberleader (various)
The Doctor's Wife: Nephew (Paul Kasey)
Again, I'm gonna go for the Possessed Ood dropping down the chart.
I'll guess that the Possessed Ood drops a tiny bit.
The Christmas Invasion: Sycorax Leader
The Christmas Invasion: The Sycorax
The Hungry Earth/Cold Blood: Alaya
Cold Blood: Restac
The Doctor's Wife: Nephew
Autons (various episodes)
13) School Reunion: The Krillitanes
17) The Impossible Planet / The Satan Pit: Toby Zed (Will Thorp)
19) Army Of Ghosts / Doomsday: Cyberleader (various)
31) The Eleventh Hour: Prisoner Zero (various)
40) A Good Man Goes To War: Headless Monks (various)
Dalek Caan (various episodes)
Autons (various episodes)
The Eleventh Hour: Atraxi (various)
Cold Blood: Restac
Army Of Ghosts / Doomsday: Black Dalek
Army Of Ghosts / Doomsday: Cyberleader
Posessed Ood = lower.
As for the questions, I think performance is the key.
The best looking character with the worst performance,
Few contenders here but may go with the Slitheen.
The best performance but ruined by a bad look =
I might even go for the Cybermen here - I don't like their updated look - far too much like a merchandising toy than something I associate the terror of the cybermen with.
Although the Azorbaloff wasn't a terrible performance, but I hated the look. Concept great, execution, poor.
35) Vampires Of Venice: Rosanna (Helen McCrory)
37) The Hungry Earth /Cold Blood Alaya (Neve McIntosh)
43) The Doctor’s Wife: Uncle (Adrian Schiller)
44) The Doctor’s Wife: Nephew (Paul Kasey)
39) A Christmas Carol: Elliot Sardick (Michael Gambon)
The Eleventh Hour: Prisoner Zero (various)
The Eleventh Hour: Atraxi (various)
Vampires Of Venice: Rosanna (Helen McCrory)
The Doctor’s Wife: Uncle (Adrian Schiller)
The Doctor’s Wife: Nephew (Paul Kasey)
The Impossible Planet / The Satan Pit: Toby Zed (Will Thorp)
The Waters Of Mars: The Flood (various)
Silence In The Library / Forest Of The Dead: Vashta Nerada {shadows / skeletons in spacesuits}
Cold Blood: Restac (Neve McIntosh)
New:
The Christmas Invasion: The SycoraxThe Christmas Invasion: The Sycorax
The Christmas Invasion: Sycorax Leader (Sean Gilder)
Possessed Ood - Lower
30) The End Of Time: Rasillon (Timothy Dalton)
35) Vampires Of Venice: Rosanna (Helen McCrory)
26) The Sontaran Strategem / The Poison Sky: General Staal (Christopher Ryan)
+
13) School Reunion: The Krillitanes
17) The Impossible Planet / The Satan Pit: Toby Zed (Will Thorp)
32) The Eleventh Hour: Atraxi (various)
Posessed Ood - Lower