What would be the point of implicating Akers? She was already dead so nothing could be proven other than what Dot actually knew. If she had mentioned Akers involvement then Denton would have looked even more suspicious, especially after money was found stashed under the floorboards in Aker's home and she had said nothing about Aker's involvement when interviewed as a witness
For Denton, the point of implicating Akers was that Akers was known (by Denton) to be guilty so there was a fair chance AC12 might actually find some evidence condemning her. With Dryden or any other presumably innocent officer, AC12 would waste a week or two finding nothing and then redirect their attentions to Denton.
For Denton, the point of implicating Akers was that Akers was known (by Denton) to be guilty so there was a fair chance AC12 might actually find some evidence condemning her. With Dryden or any other presumably innocent officer, AC12 would waste a week or two finding nothing and then redirect their attentions to Denton.
Lets not forget - she knew Dryden had seen her when he was getting a blowjob from the underage Carly.
She knew Akers had got killed in the ambush so therefore was likely to be little more than small fry in the bigger game.
With Akers already dead, therefore unable to be questioned by AC-12, it would only corroborate that she (Denton) was part of the conspiracy - no use to her if her primary object was to "claim" innocence and plant the seed that she had been set up.
For Denton, the point of implicating Akers was that Akers was known (by Denton) to be guilty so there was a fair chance AC12 might actually find some evidence condemning her. With Dryden or any other presumably innocent officer, AC12 would waste a week or two finding nothing and then redirect their attentions to Denton.
But by implicating Akers that immediately makes Denton guilty as charged as a conspirator, since she participated in the ambush, something she was desperate to avoid. As Kate Fleming said in ep 1 about Denton as a suspect, if there's a dead person blame it on them.
But by implicating Akers that immediately makes Denton guilty as charged as a conspirator, since she participated in the ambush, something she was desperate to avoid. As Kate Fleming said in ep 1 about Denton as a suspect, if there's a dead person blame it on them.
Lets not forget - she knew Dryden had seen her when he was getting a blowjob from the underage Carly.
She knew Akers had got killed in the ambush so therefore was likely to be little more than small fry in the bigger game.
With Akers already dead, therefore unable to be questioned by AC-12, it would only corroborate that she (Denton) was part of the conspiracy - no use to her if her primary object was to "claim" innocence and plant the seed that she had been set up.
Denton would continue to assert her own innocence while blaming Akers -- Akers chose the route, there was a tracker on Denton's car -- and trust that AC12 would then find corroborating evidence. It is far riskier to blame someone uninvolved, whom AC12 can swiftly clear.
Of course, if we step outside the story, the whole point of the first five episodes is to leave us, and apparently also the writers, guessing as to Denton's or Dryden's guilt.
And I guess, since it is hard to prove a negative (or for AC12 to prove innocence) it is possible the third series will show Dryden was a lead conspirator after all.
The Guardian lamenting today that the BBC have not been quick enough to greenlight a third series and delay the writing process fir a third series. I have to agree they should have pushed Mercurio into delivering another for filming this year. Instead the public will have forgotten it by 2016!
The Guardian lamenting today that the BBC have not been quick enough to greenlight a third series and delay the writing process fir a third series. I have to agree they should have pushed Mercurio into delivering another for filming this year. Instead the public will have forgotten it by 2016!
Aren't they waiting for the appointment of the new controller of BBC2 although it is inconceivable he or she would not want another series. Time for Danny Cohen - who is supposed to take the overall view of the two channels - to step in and greenlight it.
I just agree that when its such a hit they should have watched and said yeah we will have another series after this as well, before it even broadcast on BBC TWo
The Guardian lamenting today that the BBC have not been quick enough to greenlight a third series and delay the writing process fir a third series. I have to agree they should have pushed Mercurio into delivering another for filming this year. Instead the public will have forgotten it by 2016!
It is worrying that our television channels are run by people apparently unable to judge good drama until after they've read the reviews.
I understand that to the BBC Line of Duty isn't the only drama they need to take care of. But I didn't feel they were all that protective of it. Other dramas got much morr promotion, better scheduling, more cast interviews on BBC and itv, and greenlighted straight away.
...I was a little disappointed they ended it with Denton getting a life sentence, i'd have preferred it to be she was awaiting trial (so to allow more wriggle room for the future)... with the way she skilfully dealt with AC12 in the previous 5 episodes, and the potential for incompetent or flawed handling of her case, it was a little surprising she wasn't able to get off on some technicality...
Thinking about it now, I think this would have been a great ending.
It's inevitable that there will be a third series and personally I'm glad that Jed Mercurio won't be rushing into it. This series has been great but there were definite signs of writing on the hoof, especially for the final episode. Most agree that it was somewhat flawed, which is a shame as it takes the shine off the series as a whole.
For example, the Akkers phone call on the night of the event, so significant in the early episodes and then ignored. The reinventing of story history with Denton's decision to turn off the main road - done calmly in a planned way in episode 1 and done at the last second on impulse, in the final episode. The wasting of valuable screen time in the final episode by the inclusion of Fleming sleeping in the car etc.
Actually I've no idea when Mr Mercurio will have time to apply himself to series 3 as he's now in production on a new medical drama for Sky called 'Critical' - something else to look forward to in 2015!
Just caught up with this, good series and like probably the only other good recent BBC drama series "The Fall" made by BBC Northern Ireland, the reason for this is probably that Belfast is far enough away from BBC HQ and their Compliance Officers and Diversity Officers and God knows who else who stick their oars in and ruin other BBC dramas, there's a lesson for the BBC here I think.
^^ I agree, a lot of good drama comes out of BBC NI. In fact that was always the case - I remember during the troubles there were many excellent 'TV plays' as they were often known in those days, bringing NI's dramatists to national and international recognition.
Just caught up with this, good series and like probably the only other good recent BBC drama series "The Fall" made by BBC Northern Ireland, the reason for this is probably that Belfast is far enough away from BBC HQ and their Compliance Officers and Diversity Officers and God knows who else who stick their oars in and ruin other BBC dramas, there's a lesson for the BBC here I think.
It was the BBC that insisted it be made in Northern Ireland and not in Birmingham as the first series was.
Hi, I'm new to this forum and I haven't read the previous umpteen hundred posts, so pardon me if this is a repeat. I just watched the last episode of Series 2 - thank you iPlayer - and I have some questions about the ambush. Any assistance would be welcome.
1. Akers tells Denton that there is to be a 'nice clean handover, no guns'. What possible scenario could they think up (to be reported to their superiors) that would cover this? Would they plan to say that they were held up with guns and the witness was abducted?
2. What did Akers actually expect to happen that night? Did Denton expect the same?
3. What was the planned route - up Crown Street or the left turn onto Long Lane?
4. Why did Denton turn left onto Long Lane?
5. Akers expressed surprise when Denton turns left. Is this genuine, or is she faking surprise it for the sake of the witness and the other cops?
6. The killers approached Denton from the west, driving east on Long Lane. This implies that they expected her to approach along Long Lane; (otherwise they would have missed her if she had continued up Crown Street; they would have been following her north.) So the agreed rendezvous apparently was Long Lane, yes?
7. But if there was an agreed rendezvous on Long Lane, what was the tracker for? It wasn't needed. And in that case, after the ambush, why did Denton suss that there must be a tracker, and look for it?
8. Akers and the other two cops (who must have been in on it) did not expect to be killed. I suppose they were killed as potential witnesses. But then why was Denton spared?
Hi, I'm new to this forum and I haven't read the previous umpteen hundred posts, so pardon me if this is a repeat. I just watched the last episode of Series 2 - thank you iPlayer - and I have some questions about the ambush. Any assistance would be welcome.
1. Akers tells Denton that there is to be a 'nice clean handover, no guns'. What possible scenario could they think up (to be reported to their superiors) that would cover this? Would they plan to say that they were held up with guns and the witness was abducted?
2. What did Akers actually expect to happen that night? Did Denton expect the same?
3. What was the planned route - up Crown Street or the left turn onto Long Lane?
4. Why did Denton turn left onto Long Lane?
5. Akers expressed surprise when Denton turns left. Is this genuine, or is she faking surprise it for the sake of the witness and the other cops?
6. The killers approached Denton from the west, driving east on Long Lane. This implies that they expected her to approach along Long Lane; (otherwise they would have missed her if she had continued up Crown Street; they would have been following her north.) So the agreed rendezvous apparently was Long Lane, yes?
7. But if there was an agreed rendezvous on Long Lane, what was the tracker for? It wasn't needed. And in that case, after the ambush, why did Denton suss that there must be a tracker, and look for it?
8. Akers and the other two cops (who must have been in on it) did not expect to be killed. I suppose they were killed as potential witnesses. But then why was Denton spared?
Bent_Copper
According to the writer
3. We don't know for sure whether it was Crown Avenue or the main A4. Akers wanted the direct route which would have been the A4.
4. Denton is meant to have changed her mind about the ambush. In episode 1 we saw her calmly turn left, indicating as she did so, but in the final episode she is meant to have suddenly turned left.
6. We are expected to believe that the encounter on Long Lane was accidental and unplanned. Looks like the writer etc hadn't actually decided where and what the original plans were meant to be, even though they are meant to have spent days discussing the details of the ambush.
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For Denton, the point of implicating Akers was that Akers was known (by Denton) to be guilty so there was a fair chance AC12 might actually find some evidence condemning her. With Dryden or any other presumably innocent officer, AC12 would waste a week or two finding nothing and then redirect their attentions to Denton.
Lets not forget - she knew Dryden had seen her when he was getting a blowjob from the underage Carly.
She knew Akers had got killed in the ambush so therefore was likely to be little more than small fry in the bigger game.
With Akers already dead, therefore unable to be questioned by AC-12, it would only corroborate that she (Denton) was part of the conspiracy - no use to her if her primary object was to "claim" innocence and plant the seed that she had been set up.
Denton would continue to assert her own innocence while blaming Akers -- Akers chose the route, there was a tracker on Denton's car -- and trust that AC12 would then find corroborating evidence. It is far riskier to blame someone uninvolved, whom AC12 can swiftly clear.
Of course, if we step outside the story, the whole point of the first five episodes is to leave us, and apparently also the writers, guessing as to Denton's or Dryden's guilt.
And I guess, since it is hard to prove a negative (or for AC12 to prove innocence) it is possible the third series will show Dryden was a lead conspirator after all.
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Aren't they waiting for the appointment of the new controller of BBC2 although it is inconceivable he or she would not want another series. Time for Danny Cohen - who is supposed to take the overall view of the two channels - to step in and greenlight it.
It is worrying that our television channels are run by people apparently unable to judge good drama until after they've read the reviews.
Thinking about it now, I think this would have been a great ending.
For example, the Akkers phone call on the night of the event, so significant in the early episodes and then ignored. The reinventing of story history with Denton's decision to turn off the main road - done calmly in a planned way in episode 1 and done at the last second on impulse, in the final episode. The wasting of valuable screen time in the final episode by the inclusion of Fleming sleeping in the car etc.
Actually I've no idea when Mr Mercurio will have time to apply himself to series 3 as he's now in production on a new medical drama for Sky called 'Critical' - something else to look forward to in 2015!
http://www.sky.com/tv/show/critical
If you have to ask....
http://s1310.photobucket.com/user/moggs33/media/danceoff_zps4899bdf3.mp4.html
Any info on this clip?
It's from a film called "Soulboy" - set in the 70's about the Casino nightclub in Wigan.
It's a film called Soulboy, I thought I'd seen them both in something before
Oh okay, didn't see the first one.
Actually seems to be BBC Wales that makes the most rubbish anyway.
1. Akers tells Denton that there is to be a 'nice clean handover, no guns'. What possible scenario could they think up (to be reported to their superiors) that would cover this? Would they plan to say that they were held up with guns and the witness was abducted?
2. What did Akers actually expect to happen that night? Did Denton expect the same?
3. What was the planned route - up Crown Street or the left turn onto Long Lane?
4. Why did Denton turn left onto Long Lane?
5. Akers expressed surprise when Denton turns left. Is this genuine, or is she faking surprise it for the sake of the witness and the other cops?
6. The killers approached Denton from the west, driving east on Long Lane. This implies that they expected her to approach along Long Lane; (otherwise they would have missed her if she had continued up Crown Street; they would have been following her north.) So the agreed rendezvous apparently was Long Lane, yes?
7. But if there was an agreed rendezvous on Long Lane, what was the tracker for? It wasn't needed. And in that case, after the ambush, why did Denton suss that there must be a tracker, and look for it?
8. Akers and the other two cops (who must have been in on it) did not expect to be killed. I suppose they were killed as potential witnesses. But then why was Denton spared?
Bent_Copper
3. We don't know for sure whether it was Crown Avenue or the main A4. Akers wanted the direct route which would have been the A4.
4. Denton is meant to have changed her mind about the ambush. In episode 1 we saw her calmly turn left, indicating as she did so, but in the final episode she is meant to have suddenly turned left.
6. We are expected to believe that the encounter on Long Lane was accidental and unplanned.