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Can a unionist PM who loses Scotland survive for long?
Hildaonpluto
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Could Scottish independence mean curtains for David Cameron?
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Hildaonpluto
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But we are talking about Cameron - who is only in it for the prize. He won't go.
However this is the UK and we don't have the nerve of the Scots, so therefore all the above will have long careers where they make millions, just like Blair.
Why are you letting it get to you so much? I don't understand it. I accept the people of Scotland gave the SNP a big majority in elections with the objective they craved of independence well known right in their very name. Why do you want to keep like 4 million people if they do want to leave? Do we really want 4 million people unhappy being in a system and country they don't want to be in?
What about Nigel..........?
However I dont think anyone is to blame it is just the nature of history taking it courses if it does happen.
I believe what is more important is what happens afterwards. I think should they go he will be judge on his role in putting the rest of the UK first. If he gets us stitched in a CU with Scotland heads will start to roll.
After Scotland votes to leave the UK, there will surely be a post mortem on why they decided to leave. Independence will be a massive rejection of Cameron and the Tories, what credibility will the PM who "lost Scotland" have left?
With the animosity that has been stirred up by the Scottish gov towards south of the border, I doubt people south of said border are going to be too bothered. Given the chance, there's probably more chance of a majority south of the border voting for independence for Scotland on its behalf!
The loathing of the tories in Scotland is a big factor behind the yes vote.I think if a strong labour govt had called this referendum it may have played out differently.
Equally, it was the utter collapse of Labour at the last Scottish elections which brought the independence poll about in the first place. The Scottish Parliament was meant to have been designed in such a way that made a majority a distant proposition. The Conservatives haven't had a strong presence in Scotland for decades - it's the slide of Labour and the Lib Dems that has handed the reigns over to the SNP.
In answer to the main question, I think Cameron's position would be perhaps fatally weakened - but the flip side of it is that the relative position of the Conservatives would be strengthened somewhat. The conversation would quickly move from the navel gazing about the collapse of the Empire onto a rather more cold-headed (and perhaps even bitter) approach to the negotiations. Indeed, I think the 2015 election would likely be won and lost on the basis of who promised to screw the Scottish over harder!
As much as I would like to see Cameron replaced I cant see that there would be many in the UK that care enough either way about Scotland leaving to force a resignation.
Can't see any reason why he should go........it's not as though he's led the 'stay' campaign and failed. He's made his views known but pretty much sat on the sidelines or at least only played a minor role
In the olden days he'd have had to resign ..........like Carrington resigned as Foreign Sec for 'losing the Falklands' even though he didn't have much to do with it, he accepted responsibility
Ministers these days only seem to resign is they've personally done something not merely if something happens on their watch.
Cameron needn't go after the vote. He may well want to stay on to negotiate the settlement. I can't see Miliband resigning until his party actually loses an election.
I hardly think so. There'd be no one left!
No, it would be the voters of Scotland who did that. DC is merely respecting their wishes.
If you remember the gruesome Thatcher years as well as I do, yes it all makes perfect sense.
The current generation of PPE educated career politicians in Westminster will of course never understand this.
We remember the Thatcher years only too well The demolition of the mining industry and the unforgivable closure of Ravenscraig live long in the memory On the 18th we have the opportunity to ensure that Scotland never again has a government that sets out to destroy industries and communities
Would that be a bad thing?
The disillusion with the political classes and process is pretty endemic.
I hope you take it, I really, really do. You will still be welcome down here in Blackpool:D
Spot on. There's more chance of him resigning over something we do actually care about, for example, if we lose to the Swiss tomorrow.