Remembering the television show "Frasier".
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I just want to start this thread off by saying that in its first seven seasons, Frasier was one of the most cleverest, wittiest and entertaining sitcoms out there. However once Niles and Daphne get together by the end of season 7, the tone and the atmosphere of the show becomes a lot darker. While Martin, Frasier and Roz are still very good characters, Niles and Daphne just change for the worse.
Daphne in particular, becomes quite unpleasant and nasty to the rest of the characters. Miles away from the kooky, eccentric and quirky Manc she was in the early seasons.
While the show never gets as bad as Cheers and Friends in its later seasons, it is a massive shame that Frasier declines so rapidly when Niles and Daphne get together, as it should of been a turning point for the show in a good way.
Feel free to express your love or hate of Frasier in this thread!
Daphne in particular, becomes quite unpleasant and nasty to the rest of the characters. Miles away from the kooky, eccentric and quirky Manc she was in the early seasons.
While the show never gets as bad as Cheers and Friends in its later seasons, it is a massive shame that Frasier declines so rapidly when Niles and Daphne get together, as it should of been a turning point for the show in a good way.
Feel free to express your love or hate of Frasier in this thread!
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I loved Frasier too but I have to agree with you that once Niles and Daphne got together it was not quite the same. I would not say Daphne became nasty but she was certainly very different to the character she was at the start of the show as was Niles. There were some great episodes in the later series - the one with Derek Jacobi playing a ham actor was one of my favourites and the one where Daphne throws a dinner party and it all goes wrong - you're one of us now! My favourites episodes though are based on the sibling rivalry between Frasier and Niles.
I think the problem with Niles and Daphne is that it wasn't convincing. Ive just recently watched their getting together and the awkwardness just shines through. I love David Hyde Pierce but think he struggled with love scenes. (Perhaps not helped by having to do love scenes with his real life best friend....)
He's also gay, which may not have helped either.
I agree about Friends but Season 11 of Cheers is imo one of the top 3 seasons (only 1 & 2 are better imo)
Agreed, the brothers accents were hideous!!
The only let down for me was that it turned into a farcical shows towards the end
I loved Martin, very funny character
I think it's brilliant
Damn sight better than Cheers
I am season 2 of Frasier and think it's a brilliant sitcom. Doesn't try too hard to be funny. Quite smart in it's writing. Incredibly strong supporting cast from Daphne, Miles, Martin and Roz.
I loathed Daphne's family, four of the worst actors and actress in the world, especially her mother (Millicent Martin)
I also disliked Kenny the station manager and Bebe.
And other thing ! I didn't like Ronee - the woman Martin went out with.
Unlike many, I quite liked Niles and Daphne getting together.
I agree about Daphne's family and their ridiculous accents!
Loved all the references to the unseen Maris.
I *really* wanted Maris to make an appearance in the final episode !
But then again, I would probably have been disappointed !
I have a theory that they deliberately gave Daphnes family OTT accents as the Americans do not really take much notice of all the different Brit accents in the same way we do. north/ south. posh/common etc Daphnes personality changed a little probably through gaining confidence and living with the Cranes 24/7 for so long
Here's Jane on BBC breakfast a few years back talking about the accent
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-13543479
Thanks
Her actual accent is better
and for some reason i could imagine Maris being played by a rather butch overweight woman if she had been seen.
I think it is lovely that her and Peri are best friends in real life. Perri was there in the room when she had her daughter and is god mother to both her kids, as is David and John as well. I wonder why Kelsey wasn't.
DVDs badly need a remaster and a re-release with commentaries. The picture quality is the worst I`ve ever seen on a major studio release.
Regardless of DHP's sexuality or he and Jane's close friendship I think he played the infatuated secret admirer brilliantly and very convincingly until it was ruined by getting the characters finally together. The 'sexual chemistry' in Moon Dance where they dance the tango beautifully together at a ball is probably one of the best ever episodes, funny and genuinely moving when Niles realises Daphne had just been dancing in 'character'.
"Oh some boys go to college, but we think they're all wussies, 'cause they get all the knowledge, and we get all the... oompda oompda oopdma dadadada"
"Frasier, that woman over there tried to mace me!"
"It was a cologne sample Niles"