England need Darius Vassel, is he still playing? Overpaid, BPL preeee-madonnas dont deserve ttheyre place, England arent automatic favourites so shouldn't even bother turning up, whys that, other countries also good at football:o:p
The Manchester United effect has definitely been in full force with old Woy.
Smalling & Lampard shouldn't be going. Welbeck is debatable and shiuld be thanking the heavens that Rodriguez got injured and Cleverley shouldn't even be stand by, keep him away.
Welbeck shouldn't be anywhere near an England squad, he's a poor mans Sturridge. I'd have taken Andy Carroll over him any day for some direct route one football when all else fails.
The defence is far too dodgy, Johnson isn't England material at right back and playing Jones there means he's yet again out of position. If he starts with Milner on that left flank it's a travesty, I'd have Shaw at left back and Baines left wing, give us some attacking quality plus the ability to track back.
I can see it being a faux young squad with Roy bringing our hopes up that youth will prevail but sticking with Milner and Lampard most of the time.
Are the other two reserve keepers better than Ruddy?
He was in every qualifying squad only to miss out now. I think he could have been given the 3rd keeper spot for all his loyalty and time spent sitting there on the bench all over Europe.
The squad is pretty much as expected. Let's face it, Roy isn't exactly spoilt for choice.
On paper, I think it's the weakest squad we've had in years. If Hodgson gets us out of the group with this bunch he'll have done very well. If nothing else, we will get an idea of just how good some of these youngsters are.
Players are picked on merit, and that includes club form.
My recollection of Welbeck this season is wasting an amazing chance to put Man Utd into a 1-0 lead against Bayern by being too cocky. If players are picked because they're a good striker, how can Welbeck be in the squad with the amount of goals he has scored this season?
Edited to add: 13 goals this season. Internationally two against Moldova and one against Scotland. Hardly the best stats for the season.
Players are picked on merit, and that includes club form.
My recollection of Welbeck this season is wasting an amazing chance to put Man Utd into a 1-0 lead against Bayern by being too cocky. If players are picked because they're a good striker, how can Welbeck be in the squad with the amount of goals he has scored this season?
Edited to add: 13 goals this season. Internationally two against Moldova and one against Scotland. Hardly the best stats for the season.
Andy Carroll. Purely not on the basis of goals scored, but for something different when you're 80 minutes gone and 1-0 down. Route one football, we have no stocky tall striker in the squad and Welbeck is far too similar (and not as good this season) as Sturridge.
As a previous poster said, if Rodriguez had been fit he would've been my first choice replacement.
Reading it back I'm admitting my choice of wording is wrong.
However Carroll offers another option upfront. What does Welbeck offer that is different to Sturridge or Rooney?
The ability to play on the wing and to pressure a defence into far more errors than Andy Carroll.
Will Italy, Spain, Uruguay, Germany etc etc etc be picking a striker up front purely because of being a big bloke? Or would they only pick him of he was any good.
It's all very well saying wellbeck shouldn't go but it's usually a kneejerk reaction. When you think about what other English strikers there are as options it's the right decision to take him. We aren't in the days where we had plenty of English strikers scoring goals to choose from
Hart
Forster
Heaton or Grant
Baines
Shaw or Flanagan
Caulker or Shawcross
Cahill
Jagielka
Ward or Stones
Clyne or Jenkinson
Barry
Wilshere .
Shelvey
Barkley
Gerrard
Henderson
Lallana
Sterling
Chamberlain
Lambert
Rooney
Sturridge
Wickham
We have Oxlade-Chamberlain, Sterling, Lallana, Barkley and even Milner to do that job on the wing. Maybe even Baines if he played him on the left wing.
Picking a player on versatility isn't a wise move, a strikers job is to score goals, not venture onto the wing. What we ideally needed was a Hernandez type play who gets in the box and is on the six yard line, always alert. A ten years younger Defoe would have been good for that!
To be honest out defence and attacking options are limited, I just personally don't see the point in picking strikers who are similar in play, we only get four strikers, why not have four different attributes providing options if one is failing?
What we ideally needed was a Hernandez type play who gets in the box and is on the six yard line, always alert. A ten years younger Defoe would have been good for that!
What we ideally need is Messi and Ronaldo but we don't have them so it's pointless saying someone shouldn't be picked because of it
Ideally Kate Beckinsale would be my sex slave but it doesn't mean I'm going to stop having sex with other women because I can't have her
As a poster further up just said, even Wickham would have been a better option. He's been fantastic these past couple of months at Sunderland and his hold up play is good along with goals scored.
I'm struggling to find reasons for Welbeck's inclusion when we do have alternative options upfront. They might not be to everyone's taste but I'd rather give a relatively unknown on the international scene a chance over a player who barely gets a game for his club team.
It could be worse, Cleverley could've been picked!
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Is this...are you serious?
When I heard Townsend was out injured, I thought we can't get far without him.
No thanks, I still haven't forgiven him for his penalty miss at Euro 2004.
Michael Ricketts would be a better option, should've taken him.
Smalling & Lampard shouldn't be going. Welbeck is debatable and shiuld be thanking the heavens that Rodriguez got injured and Cleverley shouldn't even be stand by, keep him away.
Glen Johnson at RB is a nightmare in waiting.
However
Hart
Jones Cahill Jagielka Baines
Milner Gerrard Barkley Lailana
Sturridge Rooney
Would, imo, be a decent, well-rounded team.
Was he set to drive the coach?
Townsend being injured is about the best thing that could have happened to England's World Cup campaign.
The defence is far too dodgy, Johnson isn't England material at right back and playing Jones there means he's yet again out of position. If he starts with Milner on that left flank it's a travesty, I'd have Shaw at left back and Baines left wing, give us some attacking quality plus the ability to track back.
I can see it being a faux young squad with Roy bringing our hopes up that youth will prevail but sticking with Milner and Lampard most of the time.
He was in every qualifying squad only to miss out now. I think he could have been given the 3rd keeper spot for all his loyalty and time spent sitting there on the bench all over Europe.
On paper, I think it's the weakest squad we've had in years. If Hodgson gets us out of the group with this bunch he'll have done very well. If nothing else, we will get an idea of just how good some of these youngsters are.
Agreed. Done more in an England shirt than Sturridge for starters. And no, before anyone starts, that's not me saying Sturridge shouldn't be going.
Arguably he's better for England than he is for United.
My recollection of Welbeck this season is wasting an amazing chance to put Man Utd into a 1-0 lead against Bayern by being too cocky. If players are picked because they're a good striker, how can Welbeck be in the squad with the amount of goals he has scored this season?
Edited to add: 13 goals this season. Internationally two against Moldova and one against Scotland. Hardly the best stats for the season.
Who would you have instead?
As a previous poster said, if Rodriguez had been fit he would've been my first choice replacement.
You don't see the hypocrisy in that?
However Carroll offers another option upfront. What does Welbeck offer that is different to Sturridge or Rooney?
The ability to play on the wing and to pressure a defence into far more errors than Andy Carroll.
Will Italy, Spain, Uruguay, Germany etc etc etc be picking a striker up front purely because of being a big bloke? Or would they only pick him of he was any good.
It's all very well saying wellbeck shouldn't go but it's usually a kneejerk reaction. When you think about what other English strikers there are as options it's the right decision to take him. We aren't in the days where we had plenty of English strikers scoring goals to choose from
Hart
Forster
Heaton or Grant
Baines
Shaw or Flanagan
Caulker or Shawcross
Cahill
Jagielka
Ward or Stones
Clyne or Jenkinson
Barry
Wilshere .
Shelvey
Barkley
Gerrard
Henderson
Lallana
Sterling
Chamberlain
Lambert
Rooney
Sturridge
Wickham
Picking a player on versatility isn't a wise move, a strikers job is to score goals, not venture onto the wing. What we ideally needed was a Hernandez type play who gets in the box and is on the six yard line, always alert. A ten years younger Defoe would have been good for that!
To be honest out defence and attacking options are limited, I just personally don't see the point in picking strikers who are similar in play, we only get four strikers, why not have four different attributes providing options if one is failing?
What we ideally need is Messi and Ronaldo but we don't have them so it's pointless saying someone shouldn't be picked because of it
Ideally Kate Beckinsale would be my sex slave but it doesn't mean I'm going to stop having sex with other women because I can't have her
I'm struggling to find reasons for Welbeck's inclusion when we do have alternative options upfront. They might not be to everyone's taste but I'd rather give a relatively unknown on the international scene a chance over a player who barely gets a game for his club team.
It could be worse, Cleverley could've been picked!
Exactly, my whine is he plays better for England then he does United.