If he'd have asked the shop they would have allowed him to buy a mug, he could have a nice clean one they don't cost much. I bought 2 latte glasses when I bought my Tassimo machine.
He is 22. (He was cautioned for riding a bike on the pavement in the precinct when he was only 14) other than that he's as good as gold.
He helped out with the scouts but obviously that's finished when he gets a criminal record, as he won't be allowed to work with kids.
Obviously he can't use his previous employer for a character reference as he was sacked by them.
He has offered to do unpaid work or community payback
His sister is terrified he will be put in prison.
You have not said why he was sacked by his previous employer,. You say he has not been to court yet. Criminal records: The facts
If you have been sentenced for a crime, you will get a criminal record, even if you were given an absolute discharge.
What is a criminal record? Criminal records: The facts
This is a record of a person’s criminal history. It is generally used by potential employers and lenders to assess a person’s trustworthiness.
The information included in a criminal record includes criminal convictions, cautions, warnings or reprimands, and any other information the police may hold on you. Who has he asked about doing unpaid work or community payback as these are not matters for the police these things are dealt with by the courts which he has not been to yet. Here is a case of a women shoplifter, Louisa Sewell with no money for food, she shoplifted a pack of four Mars bars. It was the cheapest food in the shop, at 75 pence for the packet. She hadn’t eaten in days.
Sewell was caught stealing on the Kidderminster convenience store’s CCTV camera, and then fined £328.75 by the magistrates’ court. This fine was the sum of £73 for the theft, £150 in court charges, £85 for prosecution costs, a £20 victim surcharge – and 75p in compensation to the store for the Mars bars.
The fine is over 438 times the value of the theft., plus ends up with a criminal record.
You have not said why he was sacked by his previous employer,. You say he has not been to court yet. Criminal records: The facts
If you have been sentenced for a crime, you will get a criminal record, even if you were given an absolute discharge.
What is a criminal record? Criminal records: The facts
This is a record of a person’s criminal history. It is generally used by potential employers and lenders to assess a person’s trustworthiness.
The information included in a criminal record includes criminal convictions, cautions, warnings or reprimands, and any other information the police may hold on you. Who has he asked about doing unpaid work or community payback as these are not matters for the police these things are dealt with by the courts which he has not been to yet. Here is a case of a women shoplifter, Louisa Sewell with no money for food, she shoplifted a pack of four Mars bars. It was the cheapest food in the shop, at 75 pence for the packet. She hadn’t eaten in days.
Sewell was caught stealing on the Kidderminster convenience store’s CCTV camera, and then fined £328.75 by the magistrates’ court. This fine was the sum of £73 for the theft, £150 in court charges, £85 for prosecution costs, a £20 victim surcharge – and 75p in compensation to the store for the Mars bars.
The fine is over 438 times the value of the theft., plus ends up with a criminal record.
He was working as a guide taking foreign students on activity trips. He was on duty when he commit the offence, although his students were not with him when he stole the mugs. The company found out and he was immediately sacked for bringing the English school into dis-repute ( he was wearing his uniform at the time)
Could the fact he was on duty and supposed to set an example to the young students, go against him in court and favour a prison sentence?
He was working as a guide taking foreign students on activity trips. He was on duty when he commit the offence, although his students were not with him when he stole the mugs. The company found out and he was immediately sacked for bringing the English school into dis-repute ( he was wearing his uniform at the time)
Could the fact he was on duty and supposed to set an example to the young students, go against him in court and favour a prison sentence?
But I thought nowadays shoplifters were often given an £80 fixed penalty instead of prosecution. He offered to pay £80 but the company refused. Even if he doesn't get a prison sentence he will have a criminal record for life.
It's not even like it was shoplifting, it was a second hand cup he had just bought a coffee in that he took.
Oh right so see something you want and take it. Theft is theft.
what a bizarre story, i very much doubt the police would take the theft of a mug to court, unless he had several previous offences. it would just be a standard fine, and the chances of going to prison are ZERO. the judge would give scathing comments about wasting court time and costs.
i take it the OP is on a wind up
Prison will be so much easier for him if he allows someone to make him their bitch
Prison gangs will be in awe of him.
He's ridden his bike on the pavement and nicked a cup.
He'll be the Mr Big of the yard.
If you want sweets or comics he'll be the man you go to.
Prison gangs will be in awe of him.
He's ridden his bike on the pavement and nicked a cup.
He'll be the Mr Big of the yard.
If you want sweets or comics he'll be the man you go to.
Can you imagine the media uproar when rapists and nonces are walking free from court and Mountain_Runner, sorry, Mountain_Runner's 'friend' gets sent to Slade for nicking a mug? :D:D:D
Welcome back op college broken up already?
Theft is theft regardless. The said coffee shop sells these mugs, so he could of bought one. And what kind of example is he setting to his clients?
He was working as a guide taking foreign students on activity trips. He was on duty when he commit the offence, although his students were not with him when he stole the mugs. The company found out and he was immediately sacked for bringing the English school into dis-repute ( he was wearing his uniform at the time)
Could the fact he was on duty and supposed to set an example to the young students, go against him in court and favour a prison sentence?
1. It is quite clearly an act of theft - end of;
2. Being a role model and guide to others and then setting a bad example will be an aggravating factor when considering sentencing;
3. Sentencing guidelines cover a wide range of options to account for the variety of different circumstances so it's not possible to exactly say what will happen to your 'friend' although a few general observations can be made;
4. He will get a criminal record for this theft;
5. It is more likely that he will get a non-custodial sentence as opposed to a custodial sentence;
6. It is likely that he will be fined for this offence of theft - somewhere in the £100s of pounds range plus costs will be awarded against him - more £££ to pay;
7. It is possible that additional sanctions could also be applied such as a payback Community Service Order to do tens of hours of community work or a Curfew Order stating that he must stay at home during certain hours.
He was working as a guide taking foreign students on activity trips. He was on duty when he commit the offence, although his students were not with him when he stole the mugs. The company found out and he was immediately sacked for bringing the English school into dis-repute ( he was wearing his uniform at the time)
Could the fact he was on duty and supposed to set an example to the young students, go against him in court and favour a prison sentence?
1. It is quite clearly an act of theft - end of;
2. Being a role model and guide to others and then setting a bad example will be an aggravating factor when considering sentencing;
3. Sentencing guidelines cover a wide range of options to account for the variety of different circumstances so it's not possible to exactly say what will happen to your 'friend' although a few general observations can be made;
4. He will get a criminal record for this theft;
5. It is more likely that he will get a non-custodial sentence as opposed to a custodial sentence;
6. It is likely that he will be fined for this offence of theft - somewhere in the £100s of pounds range plus costs will be awarded against him - more £££ to pay;
7. It is possible that additional sanctions could also be applied such as a payback Community Service Order to do tens of hours of community work or a Curfew Order stating that he must stay at home during certain hours.
All true, but based on what has been said, the most likely outcome (by a long long way) is a police caution (still a record but no court).
All true, but based on what has been said, the most likely outcome (by a long long way) is a police caution (still a record but no court).
However, there is the aggravating factor in this instance of being in a position of trust and authority and betraying that trust. Furthermore, he has apparently stolen mugs (plural) and not just one mug for his own keeping.
If I were the magistrate in this instance, I would not let this irresponsible little s**t get away with just a caution - a court appearance, a criminal record and a £300 fine + costs would, for me, be the most appropriate response.
But I thought nowadays shoplifters were often given an £80 fixed penalty instead of prosecution. He offered to pay £80 but the company refused. Even if he doesn't get a prison sentence he will have a criminal record for life.
It's not even like it was shoplifting, it was a second hand cup he had just bought a coffee in that he took.
Bless.
Do you take the bedding and the bed home when you've stayed in a hotel or drive the bus home after you've bought your ticket?
Have you got a garden full of trolleys from Tesco?
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He is 22. (He was cautioned for riding a bike on the pavement in the precinct when he was only 14) other than that he's as good as gold.
He helped out with the scouts but obviously that's finished when he gets a criminal record, as he won't be allowed to work with kids.
Obviously he can't use his previous employer for a character reference as he was sacked by them.
He has offered to do unpaid work or community payback
His sister is terrified he will be put in prison.
You have not said why he was sacked by his previous employer,. You say he has not been to court yet. Criminal records: The facts
If you have been sentenced for a crime, you will get a criminal record, even if you were given an absolute discharge.
What is a criminal record? Criminal records: The facts
This is a record of a person’s criminal history. It is generally used by potential employers and lenders to assess a person’s trustworthiness.
The information included in a criminal record includes criminal convictions, cautions, warnings or reprimands, and any other information the police may hold on you. Who has he asked about doing unpaid work or community payback as these are not matters for the police these things are dealt with by the courts which he has not been to yet. Here is a case of a women shoplifter, Louisa Sewell with no money for food, she shoplifted a pack of four Mars bars. It was the cheapest food in the shop, at 75 pence for the packet. She hadn’t eaten in days.
Sewell was caught stealing on the Kidderminster convenience store’s CCTV camera, and then fined £328.75 by the magistrates’ court. This fine was the sum of £73 for the theft, £150 in court charges, £85 for prosecution costs, a £20 victim surcharge – and 75p in compensation to the store for the Mars bars.
The fine is over 438 times the value of the theft., plus ends up with a criminal record.
He was working as a guide taking foreign students on activity trips. He was on duty when he commit the offence, although his students were not with him when he stole the mugs. The company found out and he was immediately sacked for bringing the English school into dis-repute ( he was wearing his uniform at the time)
Could the fact he was on duty and supposed to set an example to the young students, go against him in court and favour a prison sentence?
An apology etc...could go a long way...no way would you get jailed for this...maybe some unpaid work at the worst
Well the OP thinks the UK should be in an "Economic Union" with Russia in another thread
http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showthread.php?t=2118228
So their "grip on the real world" may not be as solid as some of us.
I would say his chances of going to prison are nil, first offence and such. Man steals £18,000 of crown derby, did not go to prison. https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwir1tzV8aTJAhXKuxQKHfqRBAIQFggkMAE&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.derbytelegraph.co.uk%2FRoyal-Crown-Derby-employee-stole-pound-18-000%2Fstory-28158584-detail%2Fstory.html&usg=AFQjCNHbY3LqHFVzO9DQvagIuURa0J4UDg
Oh right so see something you want and take it. Theft is theft.
but its not going to happen and its ridiculous being taken to court for a cup.
maybe your friend should stick to flat roofed pubs and macdonalds
I said earlier that this OP hangs out with some real badasses
i take it the OP is on a wind up
Prison gangs will be in awe of him.
He's ridden his bike on the pavement and nicked a cup.
He'll be the Mr Big of the yard.
If you want sweets or comics he'll be the man you go to.
BTW, OP is PhantomSneeze and I claim my £5.
Theft is theft regardless. The said coffee shop sells these mugs, so he could of bought one. And what kind of example is he setting to his clients?
1. It is quite clearly an act of theft - end of;
2. Being a role model and guide to others and then setting a bad example will be an aggravating factor when considering sentencing;
3. Sentencing guidelines cover a wide range of options to account for the variety of different circumstances so it's not possible to exactly say what will happen to your 'friend' although a few general observations can be made;
4. He will get a criminal record for this theft;
5. It is more likely that he will get a non-custodial sentence as opposed to a custodial sentence;
6. It is likely that he will be fined for this offence of theft - somewhere in the £100s of pounds range plus costs will be awarded against him - more £££ to pay;
7. It is possible that additional sanctions could also be applied such as a payback Community Service Order to do tens of hours of community work or a Curfew Order stating that he must stay at home during certain hours.
Bib. Pmsl
How much of a tool is he
All true, but based on what has been said, the most likely outcome (by a long long way) is a police caution (still a record but no court).
However, there is the aggravating factor in this instance of being in a position of trust and authority and betraying that trust. Furthermore, he has apparently stolen mugs (plural) and not just one mug for his own keeping.
If I were the magistrate in this instance, I would not let this irresponsible little s**t get away with just a caution - a court appearance, a criminal record and a £300 fine + costs would, for me, be the most appropriate response.
Bless.
Do you take the bedding and the bed home when you've stayed in a hotel or drive the bus home after you've bought your ticket?
Have you got a garden full of trolleys from Tesco?