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Tory May to promise new 'Tweet-Bo' powers to clamp down on and ban net hate

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THE HOME Secretary will promise new “Tweet-Bo” powers to ban extremists from spreading hatred on social media sites in a huge crackdown.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/5956366/May-to-promise-new-Tweet-Bo-powers-to-clamp-down-on-net-hate.html

The trouble with things like this, they often tend to not strictly focus or be used for what there original use was quoted as.
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    PrestonAlPrestonAl Posts: 10,342
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    Jol44 wrote: »
    THE HOME Secretary will promise new “Tweet-Bo” powers to ban extremists from spreading hatred on social media sites in a huge crackdown.

    http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/5956366/May-to-promise-new-Tweet-Bo-powers-to-clamp-down-on-net-hate.html

    The trouble with things like this, they often tend to not strictly focus or be used for what there original use was quoted as.

    what do? Laws?

    Do you believe the law is a good idea if implemented correctly?
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    Jol44Jol44 Posts: 21,048
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    PrestonAl wrote: »
    what do? Laws?

    Do you believe the law is a good idea if implemented correctly?

    Are you a big fan of the Labour terror laws now?
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    PrestonAlPrestonAl Posts: 10,342
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    Jol44 wrote: »
    Are you a big fan of the Labour terror laws now?

    Don't you know it's rude to ask a question to a question. Seeing as you're not open to debate, I'll leave you to it.
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    jclock66jclock66 Posts: 2,411
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    PrestonAl wrote: »
    what do? Laws?

    Do you believe the law is a good idea if implemented correctly?

    Not really, I'd prefer the police concentrated on catching real criminals, not teenage keyboard warriors.
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    PrestonAlPrestonAl Posts: 10,342
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    jclock66 wrote: »
    Not really, I'd prefer the police concentrated on catching real criminals, not teenage keyboard warriors.

    so hate crime is ok to you? Perhaps leaflets through the door saying your going to be killed?

    Or is the internet one area you feel should have exceptions?
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    jclock66jclock66 Posts: 2,411
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    PrestonAl wrote: »
    so hate crime is ok to you? Perhaps leaflets through the door saying your going to be killed?

    Or is the internet one area you feel should have exceptions?

    Getting abuse on twitter is not the same as someone putting threatening letters through your door. People on Twitter don't know where you live.

    Perhaps users of twitter should pay a fee to use the website, that way people that have no interest in it do not have to pay for policing it.
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    HildaonplutoHildaonpluto Posts: 37,697
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    PrestonAl wrote: »
    Don't you know it's rude to ask a question to a question. Seeing as you're not open to debate, I'll leave you to it.

    I sense that he was trying to debate with you by pointing out an inconsistency in your position.
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    AxtolAxtol Posts: 8,480
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    PrestonAl wrote: »
    so hate crime is ok to you? Perhaps leaflets through the door saying your going to be killed?

    Or is the internet one area you feel should have exceptions?

    That isn't hate speech that's threats to kill which is totally different. I generally feel that everyone should be allowed to express any opinion they want as long as long as they aren't telling others to break the law. Too many countries have slipped into authoritarianism because of laws against "inappropriate" speech were abused by their governments to the point where any dissent was inappropriate.
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    DotheboyshallDotheboyshall Posts: 40,583
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    Apparently this will apply to all groups that have extremist views like BNP, EDL, UKIP...
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    MidnightFalconMidnightFalcon Posts: 15,016
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    Apparently this will apply to all groups that have extremist views like BNP, EDL, UKIP...

    CND, Greenpeace, Oxfam, Stop the War, the WI........

    Who defines "extremist"?

    http://www.engadget.com/2014/07/01/russia-amendment-extremism/
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    David TeeDavid Tee Posts: 22,833
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    jclock66 wrote: »
    Not really, I'd prefer the police concentrated on catching real criminals, not teenage keyboard warriors.

    How deliciously romantic. Keyboard warriors indeed.

    The reality is that they're sad little twonks with a gut full of bile who need to learn that heaping foul abuse on others is completely unacceptable.

    Labour or Tory, whoever stops them gets a big thumbs up from me.
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    glasshalffullglasshalffull Posts: 22,291
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    David Tee wrote: »
    How deliciously romantic. Keyboard warriors indeed.

    The reality is that they're sad little twonks with a gut full of bile who need to learn that heaping foul abuse on others is completely unacceptable.

    Labour or Tory, whoever stops them gets a big thumbs up from me.

    Assuming this is accurate someone needs to get a grip:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-27949674
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    TassiumTassium Posts: 31,639
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    Laws like this apply to everyone, as we have seen.

    It's like firing a shotgun into a crowd to deal with one person.
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    LateralthinkingLateralthinking Posts: 8,027
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    What will Brooks Newmark get?

    A Little Bo-Peep? :(
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    David TeeDavid Tee Posts: 22,833
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    Assuming this is accurate someone needs to get a grip:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-27949674

    I'm slowly coming round to the view that online anonymity, across all areas of the Internet, comes at too high a price.
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    Turnbull2000Turnbull2000 Posts: 7,588
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    The creep from this could be massive. These 'emergengy' laws have always been exploited well beyond their original intention. Sounds like a horrible piece of legistlation. Still, the idiotic public apparently are largely in favour of this law to assist in the fight against ISIS.
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    jmclaughjmclaugh Posts: 64,004
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    Assuming this is accurate someone needs to get a grip:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-27949674

    Depends on what the crime is or indeed isn't. The cost of policing the internet is like a black hole.
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    plateletplatelet Posts: 26,400
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    David Tee wrote: »
    The reality is that they're sad little twonks with a gut full of bile who need to learn that heaping foul abuse on others is completely unacceptable.

    Yeah but this is not (supposed to be) about banning halfwits using twatter to threaten to rape celebrities. This is an attempt to suppress terrorist recruitment websites and as such the laws will be powerless

    If China struggle to stop people reaching Tor, the UK doesn't have a hope
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    glasshalffullglasshalffull Posts: 22,291
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    jmclaugh wrote: »
    Depends on what the crime is or indeed isn't. The cost of policing the internet is like a black hole.

    I agree...a group sending in an organised fashion material intended to inflame hate/violence is not the same as the lone nut sending repeated rape threats to an individual is not the same as a person complaining to the cops that someone unfriended them on faceboob (or whatever you call it).

    Personally I'd be charging the latter with wasting police time.
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    MidnightFalconMidnightFalcon Posts: 15,016
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    David Tee wrote: »
    I'm slowly coming round to the view that online anonymity, across all areas of the Internet, comes at too high a price.

    I feel the same way about protecting the reputation of sticky fingered MP's :D
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    David TeeDavid Tee Posts: 22,833
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    I feel the same way about protecting the reputation of sticky fingered MP's :D

    :D

    We shouldn't protect the reputation of sticky-fingered MP's. Throw them to the wolves. I'd just like to know, for sure, that they actually are sticky-fingered before we do so.
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    Blockz99Blockz99 Posts: 5,045
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    Axtol wrote: »
    That isn't hate speech that's threats to kill which is totally different. I generally feel that everyone should be allowed to express any opinion they want as long as long as they aren't telling others to break the law. Too many countries have slipped into authoritarianism because of laws against "inappropriate" speech were abused by their governments to the point where any dissent was inappropriate.

    Would you care to name some of these countries ?
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    MidnightFalconMidnightFalcon Posts: 15,016
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    Blockz99 wrote: »
    Would you care to name some of these countries ?

    Russia.
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    MidnightFalconMidnightFalcon Posts: 15,016
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    David Tee wrote: »
    :D

    We shouldn't protect the reputation of sticky-fingered MP's. Throw them to the wolves. I'd just like to know, for sure, that they actually are sticky-fingered before we do so.

    I understand.

    Personally I'm more of the opinion that our Westminster elite is long overdue an extended lesson in the art of making omelettes and egg related consequences.

    But that's just me. ;-)

    (I realise we're crossing threads here but the juxtaposition is an interesting one).
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    jclock66jclock66 Posts: 2,411
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    David Tee wrote: »
    How deliciously romantic. Keyboard warriors indeed.

    The reality is that they're sad little twonks with a gut full of bile who need to learn that heaping foul abuse on others is completely unacceptable.

    Labour or Tory, whoever stops them gets a big thumbs up from me.

    It's not going to stop abuse on the internet though.

    It's called the world wide web for a reason.
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