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I think that the Silence is a pun. Now Moffat has been clever! He has been planning this since the beginning of series 4. It was most likely already discussed Davies and Tennant were going to quit and Moffat was going to take over. He was given the go-ahead when he wrote "Silence in the Library" and the "Forest of the Dead" for a seek peek at series 5. Moffat already had the Silence in mind when wrote "Silence in the Library" and River’s story. The Silence I think is like first 4 series with the word darkness popping up all the time. Moffat has used the word silence 4 different ways, stillness or quiet is 1), silence and words “will or must fall” after it 2), a religion 3), and a species 4). The first use we have seen was “(Silence) in the Library” the use was quiet. In the "The Vampires of Venice" Signora Calvierri says “they were fleeing from numerous cracks in time that threatened their planet, through some of which they heard only silence” and at the end of the episode Rory said all he could hear was silence. Again we see the word was used as stillness or quiet. Now these three examples were used for people disappearing. This was the result of the TARDIS exploding and the Vashta Nerada but I have a funny feeling we will see something similar later. Now in “The Eleventh Hour" Prisoner Zero says "the Pandorica will open... silence will fall." We see this is a reverence to Pandorica and the fall is what happened when the TARDIS exploded. Just before the TARDIS exploded we hear “Silence will fall.” Then we were introduced to creatures which call themselves Silence and are constantly saying “Silence will fall.” At the end of the ep. “Wedding of River Song” Dorium says "On the fields of Trenzalore, at the fall of the Eleventh, when no living creature may speak falsely or fail to give answer, a question will be asked. A question that must never, ever be answered." Then the Doctor says "Silence will fall when the question is asked..." Dorium replies "Silence must fall" would be a better translation. The Silence are determined that the question must never be answered. The Doctor must never reach Trenzalore." The Real Question is what is going to fall? Now quiet cannot fall but a religion, a species or person, and Time & Space can. In "Let's Kill Hitler" we discover that there is a religious order that believes what Dorium said to the Doctor. Now I don’t think that the religion is what falls because we see the same logo that was on the flag in "A Good Man Goes to War" which was also in "The Time of Angels" and in "Flesh and Stone". So that leaves us with the creatures and their army, or a person, or Time & Space is what is going to fall. This we know for sure.
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Start with Rassilon he helped discover time travel. Then later discovered immortality from ep. “The Five Doctors.” Now why is he locked up? What if Rassilon had intended to have the Time Lords ascend, but they rebelled and locked him up and wrote the history that Rassilon was a good man and died. Because in the ep. “The Five Doctors” they called it the tomb of Rassilon. Now the Doctor questioned if Rassilon was dead and if he was as good as the history books calm. The Doctor might have known the truth when he invented the sonic screwdriver and was able to explore the planet. The Time Lords probable confiscated the sonic screwdriver and created deadlock seals and continued to use the sonic screwdriver which sometimes got lost and other species on planets used them. Now I think that the Time War didn’t happen until later in the Time Lords Time line and the Doctor didn’t know until later. Some of the Dalek episodes are and aren’t part of the time war because the Doctor and Daleks don’t have a linear time line. Episodes I believe are during the Time War from the Dalek’s perspective are Start “Resurrection of the Daleks,” “Revelation of the Daleks,” “The Space Museum’” “The Chase,” "Mission to the Unknown," “The Daleks' Master Plan,” “The Evil of the Daleks,” “Day of the Daleks,” ” Remembrance of the Daleks.” Now I don’t think the Doctor is aware of the Time war until the “Resurrection of the Daleks,” but and when he is the Lord President during the 7th he decides to attack in the episode ” Remembrance of the Daleks.” Sometime later the Time Lords decide to have a past Doctor find weakness in the Daleks in the episode “Genesis of the Daleks.” The 8th Doctor is removed from his position as Lord President and Romana is Lord President later Rassilon escapes his prison when the Daleks invade Gallifrey and Rassilon kills Romana (like he killed a Time Lady who opposed his plan in the ep. “The End of Time part 2”) and becomes Lord President. After the ascend goes wrong the Time Lords don’t want the Doctor to go to fields of Trenzelor because when he says who he is the Time Lock is broken and this is when the Time Lords ascended. And since the ascend went wrong the Time Lords wish they could be the way they were before and the universe is at risk of be ripped apart with the Time Lock unlocked. The Silence/Time Lords are trying to prevent this from happing by killing the Doctor, but when this fails they decide to explode the TARDIS. Dalek Caan was able to enter the Time War during the same time. So the Universe is going to fall.
I was thinking the same!!
Shameful admission though... I hadn't made the link between S.I.T.L and The Silence
Quiet in the Library
Is there a quiet library in the Tardis?:D
Swimming pool in the library?
A wet book in the swimming pool, in the library, on the tardis
I have paragraphed this section now.
I think that the Silence is a pun. Now Moffat has been clever! He has been planning this since the beginning of series 4. It was most likely already discussed Davies and Tennant were going to quit and Moffat was going to take over. He was given the go-ahead when he wrote "Silence in the Library" and the "Forest of the Dead" for a seek peek at series 5. Moffat already had the Silence in mind when wrote "Silence in the Library" and River’s story. The Silence I think is like first 4 series with the word darkness popping up all the time. Moffat has used the word silence 4 different ways, stillness or quiet is 1), silence and words “will or must fall” after it 2), a religion 3), and a species 4).
The first use we have seen was “(Silence) in the Library” the use was quiet. In the "The Vampires of Venice" Signora Calvierri says “they were fleeing from numerous cracks in time that threatened their planet, through some of which they heard only silence” and at the end of the episode Rory said all he could hear was silence. Again we see the word was used as stillness or quiet. Now these three examples were used for people disappearing. This was the result of the TARDIS exploding and the Vashta Nerada but I have a funny feeling we will see something similar later.
Now in “The Eleventh Hour" Prisoner Zero says "the Pandorica will open... silence will fall." We see this is a reverence to Pandorica and the fall is what happened when the TARDIS exploded. Just before the TARDIS exploded we hear “Silence will fall.” Then we were introduced to creatures which call themselves Silence and are constantly saying “Silence will fall.” At the end of the ep. “Wedding of River Song” Dorium says "On the fields of Trenzalore, at the fall of the Eleventh, when no living creature may speak falsely or fail to give answer, a question will be asked. A question that must never, ever be answered." Then the Doctor says "Silence will fall when the question is asked..." Dorium replies "Silence must fall" would be a better translation. The Silence are determined that the question must never be answered. The Doctor must never reach Trenzalore." The Real Question is what is going to fall? Now quiet cannot fall but a religion, a species or person, and Time & Space can. In "Let's Kill Hitler" we discover that there is a religious order that believes what Dorium said to the Doctor. Now I don’t think that the religion is what falls because we see the same logo that was on the flag in "A Good Man Goes to War" which was also in "The Time of Angels" and in "Flesh and Stone". So that leaves us with the creatures and their army, or a person, or Time & Space is what is going to fall. This we know for sure.
I have made this into paragraph as well.
Before I answer what is going to fall I have an idea what happened during the Time War.
Start with Rassilon he helped discover time travel. Then later discovered immortality from ep. “The Five Doctors.” Now why is he locked up? What if Rassilon had intended to have the Time Lords ascend, but they rebelled and locked him up and wrote the history that Rassilon was a good man and died. Because in the ep. “The Five Doctors” they called it the tomb of Rassilon. Now the Doctor questioned if Rassilon was dead and if he was as good as the history books calm. The Doctor might have known the truth when he invented the sonic screwdriver and was able to explore the planet. The Time Lords probable confiscated the sonic screwdriver and created deadlock seals and continued to use the sonic screwdriver which sometimes got lost and other species on planets used them.
Now I think that the Time War didn’t happen until later in the Time Lords Time line and the Doctor didn’t know until later. Some of the Dalek episodes are and aren’t part of the time war because the Doctor and Daleks don’t have a linear time line. Episodes I believe are during the Time War from the Dalek’s perspective are Start “Resurrection of the Daleks,” “Revelation of the Daleks,” “The Space Museum’” “The Chase,” "Mission to the Unknown," “The Daleks' Master Plan,” “The Evil of the Daleks,” “Day of the Daleks,” ”Remembrance of the Daleks.”
Now I don’t think the Doctor is aware of the Time war until the “Resurrection of the Daleks,” but and when he is the Lord President during the 7th he decides to attack in the episode ”Remembrance of the Daleks.” Sometime later the Time Lords decide to have a past Doctor find weakness in the Daleks in the episode “Genesis of the Daleks.”
The 8th Doctor is removed from his position as Lord President and Romana is Lord President later Rassilon escapes his prison when the Daleks invade Gallifrey and Rassilon kills Romana (like he killed a Time Lady who opposed his plan in the ep. “The End of Time part 2”) and becomes Lord President. After the ascend goes wrong the Time Lords don’t want the Doctor to go to fields of Trenzelor because when he says who he is the Time Lock is broken and this is when the Time Lords ascended. And since the ascend went wrong the Time Lords wish they could be the way they were before and the universe is at risk of be ripped apart with the Time Lock unlocked. The Silence/Time Lords are trying to prevent this from happing by killing the Doctor, but when this fails they decide to explode the TARDIS. Dalek Caan was able to enter the Time War during the same time.
So the Universe is going to fall.
Not Quiet in the Library. How Moffat used the word Silence. In this case it was stillness, quiet, calm, no one about. However Moffat was doing what RTD did with the Bad Wolf, Torchwood, Saxon, and Darkness. Instead Moffat is using Silence from way back then.
So what's the best way to stop this? To kill him before he's asked. We've done that in series 6. The cult of Silence believe that the answer to the question will destroy the universe. But the words "Field of Trenzelor"? Whenever I've heard of "the field of" it generally means a battle, hence the field of battle. This would imply Trenzelor is, as I believe, on Galifrey.
"Before the fall of the Eleventh" indicates that this will all happen to Matt's Doctor, before he falls and the 12th Doctor rises.
"Silence in the Library" used 'Silence' to infer death.
"Silence will fall when the question is asked" infers that the universe will die when the question is asked. Again this is what the cult of Silence believes.
This is what I believe.
And if it really does involve Rassilon and the Time War, I can see people switching off...
I think Matt's Doctor is over the Time War though isn't he? I felt it was all in the past since End of Time (War!)?
I keep seeing the image in my head from "The Doctor's Wife" of Amy saying "So you want ot be forgiven", the Doctor's pained reply being "Doesn't everybody?"
I'm sorry I phrased it wrong. What I was saying was that the silence believe it would be the end of the universe if the Doctor answered that question, that's why they tried to kill him.
But it wouldn't be just the Rassilon. There would be the Master, the Daleks, possibly Idris pre-soul removal, the Star of Degredations etc, not to mention all the wierd and wonderful other things. There's plenty for a relentless 5 part thriller there, before we mention the possible return of Skaro, Davros and goodness knows what else!