And with the BBC and public service retirement age set at 60 ..
It seems not unreasonable to claim your pension at that age.
Well, generally retirement age means leaving employment.. For longer than a day or a month.
In fact until about 20 years ago most BBC staff retired on a discounted pension before 60 .
One does not need to go back that far. Thousands of Bbc staff have been 'retired' so that the executives and managers can keep themselves in the lifestyles to which they have become acustomed. See also differences in pension arrangements.
No, I mean allow the employee to start dipping into their pension early and rehiring them.
Why would it bother the employer (BBC or not)?
Well, that would be Botney and the Bbc. Champagne socialism at it's finest. See C4 and denial that the chairman is in any way responsible or accountable, and it's all the fault of the nasty government for not giving them more money. This sounds familiar, but then there is a Charter review in progress. Other people's jobs and budgets must be cut to spare the executive..
Insofar as how it relates to what we were discussing, I don't quite follow the logic there.
Apart from which, these practices are common for senior execs wherever they work. Oh, and this has been said before, but people work according to agreed contracts in place at the time of accepting an offer. If the BBC wished to renege on part of that contract (or even retrospectively change that contract without agreement) they would face a challenge in court and would be likely to lose.
As an aside, I opted to take my final salary pension very early at a reduced rate (it was a closed scheme as the company had changed owners and opted for a defined benefit scheme). That does not stop me from working elsewhere whilst collecting that monthly pension income, nor does it stop me from applying to that old employer for another job (if I wanted to and if they wanted me). It is not my fault that final salary schemes are no longer available, I took what was offered at the time when I signed by contract of employment. In those days such schemes were commonplace, and there was no such thing as a pensions shortfall. If companies had elected not to take a pensions scheme contribution holiday when such schemes were in surplus in the 80's and 90's, such black holes might not have existed or have been so bad.
Or the employee starting to take their pension.[/QUOTE]
So still no clue to what he actually does on a day-to-day basis other than re-voice work by other people for which he has no particular skill.
Given that he's not been sanctioned by the BBC for his behaviour towards other BBC employees and his attempted interference, over the Kid's Company fiasco, we must assume he does, "Whatever he likes."
I was amused that amongst the banners in the Kid's Company demonstration today at Downing Street as photographed by the Guardian, one huge effort read;
You don't have to resign and leave to take your pension and it has nothing to do with your current employer.
You may do, there can be tax reasons to do so, or to avoid caps on pensions. Government's currently in the process of trying to close loopholes though.
It still doesn't explain the function of the Botney, the lack of accountability, or how to explain his previous comments about how well managed the charity was. But I'm sure with Botney on board, the Bbc is in a safe pair of hands..
His "job" or "jobs" were created to "ease the blow" of being dropped from running BBC1.
I would ask you to prove this statement of fact, but there's no real point I guess we both know you won't; and couldn't anyway. Just like your other "facts" about Mr Yentob.
I would ask you to prove this statement of fact, but there's no real point I guess we both know you won't; and couldn't anyway. Just like your other "facts" about Mr Yentob.
We aren't in a court of law, I don't have to prove anything. If it bothers you what I've said, you prove I'm wrong.
It's common knowledge that Yentob got a sideways move after being Controller of BBC1. How much higher than that can you go? Apart from Tony Hall's job.
Even his first new title after a brief stint as "Overall Director of Programmes," "Director of Drama Entertainment and Childrens," could be interpreted as a demotion.
Then he was moved again to "Creative Director." That's as airy fairy as you can get, with no longer any direct responsibility for what the individual channels put out.
He does himself no favours.
"Here's our creative director, he's the one in the crumpled ill-fitting suit."
If Tony Hall had any balls he'd tell him to smarten himself up, for crissakes, he's representing "The premier Broadcasting Service in the World!"
You can believe what you like, I don't mind. If you as you obviously do, believe he can do no wrong, explain his attempts to bully another department over Kids Company and was allowed to get away with it.
You may do, there can be tax reasons to do so, or to avoid caps on pensions. Government's currently in the process of trying to close loopholes though.
It still doesn't explain the function of the Botney, the lack of accountability, or how to explain his previous comments about how well managed the charity was. But I'm sure with Botney on board, the Bbc is in a safe pair of hands..
Reading the article its more guidelines than law although I suspect the fact he was 59 had something to do with it. A lot of schemes use to allow early retirement at 55 with minimal penalties and I believe the law changed this year (or maybe some schemes did) so there are much bigger penalties now for taking your pension early. Presumably in the article he retired before April 1st to avoid the changes and then got his old job back.
Yentob is 68 so I think it would be difficult to deny him his pension assuming he took it 65. You don't have to retire to take you pension once you reach your scheme's pension age.
Still going back on topic it does feel a bit much to pay him extra to present programmes when he's on £300K (or however much) and can hire himself to do it. But then I've met him so I'm biased ;-)
You don't have to resign and leave to take your pension and it has nothing to do with your current employer.
I work with several people who are taking their pensions from other employers while working.
Its not unique to the BBC or even the public sector.
I also suspect it will become more common as the population ages and discovers their pension isn't delivering what they expected.
Exactly, we were privatised so started drawing from the pension scheme in early 50s whilst transferring to the new company. At retired I then started getting their pension in addition to my original one and also I was asked if I would like to go back to work for them for a time (I didn't, had enough!).
Employers contribute to pension schemes but so do the employees, it is usually then put into a separate trust fund which pays it out, not the employer (unless you had worked for the biggest criminal in the British newspaper industry!).
Given that he's not been sanctioned by the BBC for his behaviour towards other BBC employees and his attempted interference, over the Kid's Company fiasco, we must assume he does, "Whatever he likes."
Why would be sanctioned for attempting to get a report quashed by BBC News, what part of his contract could that possibly breach?
The BBC can't just randomly sanction people willy nilly because they've done something questionable, like every other employer in the UK it has to follow disciplinary guidelines and procedures, and again, whilst his alleged behaviour was morally questionable, Yentob probably didn't do anything the BBC could sanction him for.
Also, if Yentob has been put on the BBC's disciplinary procedure, that's probably confidential information that it would be inappropriate for the BBC to spread. Unless it causes a Top Gear-esque shit shorm, I'd doubt they'd ever comment publicly on their disciplinary procedures, because it's completely inappropriate.
People really seem to forget that the BBC exists in the real world, it is not S.H.I.E.L.D. it can't just do whatever the hell it likes. It has contracts and laws to follow, you know...
They say he was chairman of the charity trustees who signed off accounts which turned out to be incorrect and most of the money went to employees not children;
On C4 News he admitted trying to interfere with Newsnight's coverage (I'm not sure he did actually admit that);
He yelled at BBC reporter Lucy Manning ''Many would call a verbal attack on a junior woman reporter .....bullying'' (Yentob said he later apologised)
They say he was chairman of the charity trustees who signed off accounts which turned out to be incorrect and most of the money went to employees not children;
So not a BBC matter, and as yet, no real indication of wrongdoing on his part.
On C4 News he admitted trying to interfere with Newsnight's coverage (I'm not sure he did actually admit that);
As you also question, diid he? Unproven allegation
He yelled at BBC reporter Lucy Manning ''Many would call a verbal attack on a junior woman reporter .....bullying'' (Yentob said he later apologised)
Now I did read somewhere (an opinion piece in the Guardian maybe) that Lucy Manning was actually chasing after him/pursuing him down a corridor. Plenty of reason for him to yell at her (and yelling at someone when irate is not always "bullying").
I'm sure Lucy Manning will appreciate being called ''a junior woman reporter'':D
it fits their narrative though.
According to Broadcast Yentob did admit to contacting Newsnight about their report on the charity.
Yep:
He denied that he had asked Newsnight to pull its story, but said he suggested the report might be broadcast another night after he declined a last-minute request to appear because it was too late in the evening.
“I did call them up,” he said, speaking to Channel 4 News. “What I asked them is why no one had asked Kids Company whether or not they had any comments to make about this story. The first I heard about it was from a separate source. No one spoke to Kids Company, there was no question of a right to reply, no one even informed us this was happening ... As I didn’t know I rang up and said ‘What’s going on and why has no one informed [me]?’”
None of the above merit a sackable offence but Yentob was unwise to get involved with the charity in the first place and unwise to contact Newsnight (strangely it was too late in the evening for him to appear).It does cast doubt on his judgement as a senior BBC executive. The Sun might be better employed to investigate why he is paid extra to front bought-in programmes on subjects where he has no specialist knowledge or qualifications.
Yentob is 68 so I think it would be difficult to deny him his pension assuming he took it 65. You don't have to retire to take you pension once you reach your scheme's pension age.
But you need a willing employer to agree to early retirement/rehiring. Otherwise it may just be a case of 'It's been a pleasure working with you Alan, I hope you enjoy spending more time in Tuscany'.. As Mark Thompson apparently wanted, but somehow Botney survived.
Still going back on topic it does feel a bit much to pay him extra to present programmes when he's on £300K (or however much) and can hire himself to do it.
Indeed. And find the time to Chair a £25m charity. Conflicts of interest all round, but it's only taxpayer's money.
But you need a willing employer to agree to early retirement/rehiring. Otherwise it may just be a case of 'It's been a pleasure working with you Alan, I hope you enjoy spending more time in Tuscany'.. As Mark Thompson apparently wanted, but somehow Botney survived.
Indeed. And find the time to Chair a £25m charity. Conflicts of interest all round, but it's only taxpayer's money.
I wonder if he received any payment from the charity - his expenses alone would probably amount to one person's salary for a year.
None of the above merit a sackable offence but Yentob was unwise to get involved with the charity in the first place and unwise to contact Newsnight (strangely it was too late in the evening for him to appear).
So, late into the evening, make a telephone call whilst at home or out and about
or
arrange to travel in to NBH, wait whilst being made up, wait in the equivalent of the Green Room before programme airs and it's your turn to appear, appear on programme, leave studio, remove TV makeup, arrange to return home.
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Well, generally retirement age means leaving employment.. For longer than a day or a month.
One does not need to go back that far. Thousands of Bbc staff have been 'retired' so that the executives and managers can keep themselves in the lifestyles to which they have become acustomed. See also differences in pension arrangements.
Insofar as how it relates to what we were discussing, I don't quite follow the logic there.
Apart from which, these practices are common for senior execs wherever they work. Oh, and this has been said before, but people work according to agreed contracts in place at the time of accepting an offer. If the BBC wished to renege on part of that contract (or even retrospectively change that contract without agreement) they would face a challenge in court and would be likely to lose.
As an aside, I opted to take my final salary pension very early at a reduced rate (it was a closed scheme as the company had changed owners and opted for a defined benefit scheme). That does not stop me from working elsewhere whilst collecting that monthly pension income, nor does it stop me from applying to that old employer for another job (if I wanted to and if they wanted me). It is not my fault that final salary schemes are no longer available, I took what was offered at the time when I signed by contract of employment. In those days such schemes were commonplace, and there was no such thing as a pensions shortfall. If companies had elected not to take a pensions scheme contribution holiday when such schemes were in surplus in the 80's and 90's, such black holes might not have existed or have been so bad.
Or the employee starting to take their pension.[/QUOTE]
Given that he's not been sanctioned by the BBC for his behaviour towards other BBC employees and his attempted interference, over the Kid's Company fiasco, we must assume he does, "Whatever he likes."
I was amused that amongst the banners in the Kid's Company demonstration today at Downing Street as photographed by the Guardian, one huge effort read;
"KIDS COMPANY IS ARE FAMILY."
So basic no spelling help given by them?
I work with several people who are taking their pensions from other employers while working.
Its not unique to the BBC or even the public sector.
I also suspect it will become more common as the population ages and discovers their pension isn't delivering what they expected.
You may do, there can be tax reasons to do so, or to avoid caps on pensions. Government's currently in the process of trying to close loopholes though.
ps.. example here-
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-dorset-33757641
It still doesn't explain the function of the Botney, the lack of accountability, or how to explain his previous comments about how well managed the charity was. But I'm sure with Botney on board, the Bbc is in a safe pair of hands..
I would ask you to prove this statement of fact, but there's no real point I guess we both know you won't; and couldn't anyway. Just like your other "facts" about Mr Yentob.
We aren't in a court of law, I don't have to prove anything. If it bothers you what I've said, you prove I'm wrong.
It's common knowledge that Yentob got a sideways move after being Controller of BBC1. How much higher than that can you go? Apart from Tony Hall's job.
Even his first new title after a brief stint as "Overall Director of Programmes," "Director of Drama Entertainment and Childrens," could be interpreted as a demotion.
Then he was moved again to "Creative Director." That's as airy fairy as you can get, with no longer any direct responsibility for what the individual channels put out.
He does himself no favours.
"Here's our creative director, he's the one in the crumpled ill-fitting suit."
If Tony Hall had any balls he'd tell him to smarten himself up, for crissakes, he's representing "The premier Broadcasting Service in the World!"
You can believe what you like, I don't mind. If you as you obviously do, believe he can do no wrong, explain his attempts to bully another department over Kids Company and was allowed to get away with it.
You'll have no credible answer.
Reading the article its more guidelines than law although I suspect the fact he was 59 had something to do with it. A lot of schemes use to allow early retirement at 55 with minimal penalties and I believe the law changed this year (or maybe some schemes did) so there are much bigger penalties now for taking your pension early. Presumably in the article he retired before April 1st to avoid the changes and then got his old job back.
Yentob is 68 so I think it would be difficult to deny him his pension assuming he took it 65. You don't have to retire to take you pension once you reach your scheme's pension age.
Still going back on topic it does feel a bit much to pay him extra to present programmes when he's on £300K (or however much) and can hire himself to do it. But then I've met him so I'm biased ;-)
Er no, he didn't
Exactly, we were privatised so started drawing from the pension scheme in early 50s whilst transferring to the new company. At retired I then started getting their pension in addition to my original one and also I was asked if I would like to go back to work for them for a time (I didn't, had enough!).
Employers contribute to pension schemes but so do the employees, it is usually then put into a separate trust fund which pays it out, not the employer (unless you had worked for the biggest criminal in the British newspaper industry!).
Why would be sanctioned for attempting to get a report quashed by BBC News, what part of his contract could that possibly breach?
The BBC can't just randomly sanction people willy nilly because they've done something questionable, like every other employer in the UK it has to follow disciplinary guidelines and procedures, and again, whilst his alleged behaviour was morally questionable, Yentob probably didn't do anything the BBC could sanction him for.
Also, if Yentob has been put on the BBC's disciplinary procedure, that's probably confidential information that it would be inappropriate for the BBC to spread. Unless it causes a Top Gear-esque shit shorm, I'd doubt they'd ever comment publicly on their disciplinary procedures, because it's completely inappropriate.
People really seem to forget that the BBC exists in the real world, it is not S.H.I.E.L.D. it can't just do whatever the hell it likes. It has contracts and laws to follow, you know...
Do they say on what grounds?
They say he was chairman of the charity trustees who signed off accounts which turned out to be incorrect and most of the money went to employees not children;
On C4 News he admitted trying to interfere with Newsnight's coverage (I'm not sure he did actually admit that);
He yelled at BBC reporter Lucy Manning ''Many would call a verbal attack on a junior woman reporter .....bullying'' (Yentob said he later apologised)
Because he's a "BBC man"?
And they'll keep pushing until they get there way - history shows us that.
As you also question, diid he? Unproven allegation
Now I did read somewhere (an opinion piece in the Guardian maybe) that Lucy Manning was actually chasing after him/pursuing him down a corridor. Plenty of reason for him to yell at her (and yelling at someone when irate is not always "bullying").
According to Broadcast Yentob did admit to contacting Newsnight about their report on the charity.
Yep:
http://www.theguardian.com/media/2015/aug/07/bbc-alan-yentob-kids-company
But you need a willing employer to agree to early retirement/rehiring. Otherwise it may just be a case of 'It's been a pleasure working with you Alan, I hope you enjoy spending more time in Tuscany'.. As Mark Thompson apparently wanted, but somehow Botney survived.
Indeed. And find the time to Chair a £25m charity. Conflicts of interest all round, but it's only taxpayer's money.
I wonder if he received any payment from the charity - his expenses alone would probably amount to one person's salary for a year.
or
arrange to travel in to NBH, wait whilst being made up, wait in the equivalent of the Green Room before programme airs and it's your turn to appear, appear on programme, leave studio, remove TV makeup, arrange to return home.
A difficult choice.