Again flopping is not particularly about the chart position. It's about the sales and now looks like that they won't sell very much in the week of release. Of course it's all about the longevity, but in XF terms first week sales will be disappointing and currently going towards floppy XF winners males road of course everything could change if their next single is great, because now their second single is already falling quite fast and won't help to sell albums
Did any of the male winners manage to get a #1 single without any XF support? :rolleyes:
People need to remember they share a lot of fans with 1D, and with 1D's album being out a week before them, most of the fans might not have the money to buy the LM album this week. We shall wait to see how sales do. Syco expected them to do around 80k, they're probably gonna do around 65-75k imo, which wouldn't too disappointing for the label I guess.
Sales wise I thought they would have done as big as Spice Girls did in their 1st 2 years together...and SG was a girlgroup up against good looking boyband Boyzone/Westlife who did great in their time too, but not as high achievers as 1D!!
Been a 'girlgroup' shouldnt be an excuse....LM won the show, unlike 1D the year before....thought that would have made it more obvious they should have achieved more sales than 1D (supposedly being more popular etc.)
Sales wise I thought they would have done as big as Spice Girls did in their 1st 2 years together...and SG was a girlgroup up against good looking boyband Boyzone/Westlife who did great in their time too, but not as high achievers as 1D!!
Been a 'girlgroup' shouldnt be an excuse....LM won the show, unlike 1D the year before....thought that would have made it more obvious they should have achieved more sales than 1D (supposedly being more popular etc.)
Tell Matt Cardle and Rebecca Ferguson that. LM aren't even from 1D's year and one is a boyband (who could sell music with a wink at the fans) the other is a girl group (who have to work 10 times harder in general). Besides, I don't think the ratings were the same last year as the year before so can you really compare their popularity (on the show) like that? And I don't think anyone with the slightest sense would expect them to do as well as Spice Girls did.
If I remember correctly, Cher Lloyd's album sold pretty badly. Much, much worse than what Little Mix are projected to sell (I think they nearly sold as much on the first day of sale). But once she got marketed to America, and established a fan base there, she's now touted as a huge X Factor success! I feel like Little Mix can do the same, if not better. These days if you're not selling 1D numbers, you're immediately a flop, which is totally ridiculous.
If I remember correctly, Cher Lloyd's album sold pretty badly. Much, much worse than what Little Mix are projected to sell (I think they nearly sold as much on the first day of sale). But once she got marketed to America, and established a fan base there, she's now touted as a huge X Factor success! I feel like Little Mix can do the same, if not better. These days if you're not selling 1D numbers, you're immediately a flop, which is totally ridiculous.
Don't get me wrong, I like Cher, but I wouldn't say she's a huge success in the US. Her album hasn't done that well as it hasn't been selling well consistently.
If I remember correctly, Cher Lloyd's album sold pretty badly. Much, much worse than what Little Mix are projected to sell (I think they nearly sold as much on the first day of sale).
LM could do as well as SG...the difference is SG were unique, LM arent......folks wanted to know what SG were all about (behind the songs and 'image' they created) SG has put their own stamp on things LM hasnt,(no creativity) they are relying on Management who may be getting it wrong for them atm
Btw.....im not saying that LM are flopping, yet!! But Syco needs to doing a whole lot more for them or they should have more of an impact when the next album comes out)!!!
If I remember correctly, Cher Lloyd's album sold pretty badly. Much, much worse than what Little Mix are projected to sell (I think they nearly sold as much on the first day of sale). But once she got marketed to America, and established a fan base there, she's now touted as a huge X Factor success! I feel like Little Mix can do the same, if not better. These days if you're not selling 1D numbers, you're immediately a flop, which is totally ridiculous.
you don't remember that correctly, and the difference may not be very much. Also if you're beginning to compare LM to acts who finished 4th and started out against a tidal wave of antipathy then you're stating to clutch at straws.
They're not flopping but i'm sure we all imagined they'd be doing better
They have only been going 5 minutes!!! How can you assess it? Come back after they have been more than just 2 hit wonders, and when they have released a mega selling 3rd album. Not even Leona has managed that. Think it just proves how little shelf life these X Factor acts have.
And the new single is predicted to take a bit of a dive this week.
No, the winner's song is part of their discography. It still counts as a number one.
That it might be - but it is a bit of easy pickings especially as they have just come off the back of about 3 months promotion (which 99.9% of acts would die for).
That it might be - but it is a bit of easy pickings especially as they have just come off the back of about 3 months promotion (which 99.9% of acts would die for).
Nonetheless you can't say "well it is really a number one" because it is.
Many on this forum went on last year about how singles sales do not matter and album sales are all that matters.
If you look at Matt Cardle's career It's pretty obvious that single sales are hugely important for XF winners. Why? not because the money is in singles but rather that single sales prove the general public are still interested in the artist, single sales also open up avenues for other revenue streams like festivals, tv, streaming, foreign sales and various other media. When Matt's singles failed to chart it was the end of the road for him with SYCO.
As long as Little Mix continue sell singles, I think they will not be dropped or considered a flop by SYCO.
Look at Cher Lloyd, her album didn't sell very well in the UK but the singles did well and now she's international and doing very well.
1st week sales of UK X-Factor winners debut albums sales:
Leona Lewis 375,872
Shayne Ward 201,266
Alexandra Burke 132,065
Matt Cardle 70,896
Steve Brookstein 50,989
Joe McElderry 39,405
Leon Jackson 37,197
We know on Day 1 Little Mix sold 22K, to be ranked third, but by today's midweek's they have already fallen behind One Direction to 4th. So Little Mix are going to struggle to beat Matt Cardle's first week sales, but should beat Steve Brookstein's first week sales, make of that what you will.
But if Matt Cardle's first sales were regarded as a flop, and Little Mix sell less than he did .......
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Did any of the male winners manage to get a #1 single without any XF support? :rolleyes:
People need to remember they share a lot of fans with 1D, and with 1D's album being out a week before them, most of the fans might not have the money to buy the LM album this week. We shall wait to see how sales do. Syco expected them to do around 80k, they're probably gonna do around 65-75k imo, which wouldn't too disappointing for the label I guess.
Been a 'girlgroup' shouldnt be an excuse....LM won the show, unlike 1D the year before....thought that would have made it more obvious they should have achieved more sales than 1D (supposedly being more popular etc.)
Tell Matt Cardle and Rebecca Ferguson that. LM aren't even from 1D's year and one is a boyband (who could sell music with a wink at the fans) the other is a girl group (who have to work 10 times harder in general). Besides, I don't think the ratings were the same last year as the year before so can you really compare their popularity (on the show) like that? And I don't think anyone with the slightest sense would expect them to do as well as Spice Girls did.
Don't get me wrong, I like Cher, but I wouldn't say she's a huge success in the US. Her album hasn't done that well as it hasn't been selling well consistently.
Cher's album debuted with 55,668 copies...
Btw.....im not saying that LM are flopping, yet!! But Syco needs to doing a whole lot more for them or they should have more of an impact when the next album comes out)!!!
you don't remember that correctly, and the difference may not be very much. Also if you're beginning to compare LM to acts who finished 4th and started out against a tidal wave of antipathy then you're stating to clutch at straws.
They're not flopping but i'm sure we all imagined they'd be doing better
DNA (Did Not Attend) - looks as though the songwriters failed to turn up on that one.
Iz Little Mix flopping innit!
First one dosent really count - the winners single is a bit of a given, and it was a bit of a flop in terms of sales compared even to Matt Cardle.
Be interesting to see with the drop in viewers what happens to the winners singl sales this year - it could be struggling.
Where is he now? LM are doing fine.
They have only been going 5 minutes!!! How can you assess it? Come back after they have been more than just 2 hit wonders, and when they have released a mega selling 3rd album. Not even Leona has managed that. Think it just proves how little shelf life these X Factor acts have.
And the new single is predicted to take a bit of a dive this week.
No, the winner's song is part of their discography. It still counts as a number one.
That it might be - but it is a bit of easy pickings especially as they have just come off the back of about 3 months promotion (which 99.9% of acts would die for).
Nonetheless you can't say "well it is really a number one" because it is.
It is.
If you look at Matt Cardle's career It's pretty obvious that single sales are hugely important for XF winners. Why? not because the money is in singles but rather that single sales prove the general public are still interested in the artist, single sales also open up avenues for other revenue streams like festivals, tv, streaming, foreign sales and various other media. When Matt's singles failed to chart it was the end of the road for him with SYCO.
As long as Little Mix continue sell singles, I think they will not be dropped or considered a flop by SYCO.
Look at Cher Lloyd, her album didn't sell very well in the UK but the singles did well and now she's international and doing very well.
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/music/s103/the-x-factor/news/a347167/matt-cardle-trails-leona-burke-ward-in-x-factor-album-sales.html
1st week sales of UK X-Factor winners debut albums sales:
Leona Lewis 375,872
Shayne Ward 201,266
Alexandra Burke 132,065
Matt Cardle 70,896
Steve Brookstein 50,989
Joe McElderry 39,405
Leon Jackson 37,197
We know on Day 1 Little Mix sold 22K, to be ranked third, but by today's midweek's they have already fallen behind One Direction to 4th. So Little Mix are going to struggle to beat Matt Cardle's first week sales, but should beat Steve Brookstein's first week sales, make of that what you will.
But if Matt Cardle's first sales were regarded as a flop, and Little Mix sell less than he did .......