The Harold Wilson comment that he "immatures with age" was spot on. Although he actually went from a peerage renouncing, modernising government minister to a hard left troublemaker in a relatively short period of time.
You continue to live in your own wee fantasy bubble.
Mr Benn had more conviction, principles and sanity about him than this entire excuse for a government has. In fact, since Blair & spin became the 'in thing', *ALL* politicans of recent times, along with their 'tongue in cheek' alleged manifestos - have become little more than highly aggravating pieces of 'forked tongue' flotsam..worthy only of societies scorn and rightful ire.
As for Cameron, IDS, Osborne, May, Hunt etc...*IF* their is justice, then one day they'll be tried for crimes against their people...albeit the jowelly Dail Mail fraternity may be aghast at such a notion.
Yes, can't think why people would be aghast at people being put on trial because their political opponants disagree with them.
Gosh, not entirely unexpected but still a shock. He was one of those figures that has been there all my life, and I remember seeing all the fuss on TV when he renounced his title. An unusual politician because he was at least consistent and (usually) honest. When others were seeing which way the wind was blowing, Benn stood firm, even if he was wrong (quite often) and it meant he came out of it badly. His politics were certainly not up my street, but as a man I admired him.
You continue to live in your own wee fantasy bubble.
Mr Benn had more conviction, principles and sanity about him than this entire excuse for a government has. In fact, since Blair & spin became the 'in thing', *ALL* politicans of recent times, along with their 'tongue in cheek' alleged manifestos - have become little more than highly aggravating pieces of 'forked tongue' flotsam..worthy only of societies scorn and rightful ire.
As for Cameron, IDS, Osborne, May, Hunt etc...*IF* their is justice, then one day they'll be tried for crimes against their people...albeit the jowelly Dail Mail fraternity may be aghast at such a notion.
You can be full of conviction and still be wrong, you know.
Yes, can't think why people would be aghast at people being put on trial because their political opponants disagree with them.
What political opponents..??
It's just theatre today. You really have no idea of just how much a farce it really is.
They all drink together outside of TV/press band-standing...it's like WWF today.
They yip like scorched hyenas at one another..denouncing their opponents..*UNTIL* parliament is out of session, the reporters bored and 'hopefully' no one is watching them.
Blair was horrific...But Cameron and his hybrid harpies are beyond forgiveable in relation to their attitudes to the masses.
Not just those on benefits. Extends to all the working class, now middle class..and essentially everyone who is not exceedingly well to do and a part of that very small percentile of 'haves'..be it financially, positions of power or otherwise suitably placed as to make them an honorary member.
Very sad news. A man of conviction even though I did not agree with his views. A man from a privileged background with an "Andy Capp" mentality. We should be forever grateful to him for his support for Concorde, which ironically, typifies all Labour economic policies. Pity that support did not extend to the TSR2.
He's been on the landscape pretty much all of my adult life.
A proper old fashioned conviction politician and a proper socialist labour party man. It vwas always a joy to hear him speak.
He was wrong pretty much all of the time, but he undoubtedly was a conviction politician, who cared little for what the party line at the time was.
Sad news for his family but I have to agree with you he didn't like being in the Labour cabinets of the 60's & 70's because he could not say the things he did when he was a minister.
I'll say the same as I did after Bob Crow died: Sad news (but not as unexpected) but I won't speak ill of the dead.
But to be positive, he was a highly intelligent man, a great public speaker and had more conviction and charisma than the current Labour front bench combined.
Sometimes I agreed with him, sometimes I didn't but when he spoke he was always worth listening to unlike most of today's vacuous, superficial politicians.
A man of innate integrity, holding the views that the Labour Party should reflect in its policies today, instead of the in-thrall-to-Big-Business views that it holds.
I'm sure a lot of people are saying nice things about him now........but let's not forget how he was savaged by the right wing tabloids during the 70s and 80s.......I suppose the equivalent of what we now call the swivel eyed loons of the Tory Party
In fact that's pretty much precisely how he was portrayed........as a swivel eyed loony
A man of innate integrity, holding the views that the Labour Party should reflect in its policies today, instead of the in-thrall-to-Big-Business views that it holds.
I agree. The Labour Party should adopt his views. That would mean that they are never elected again. We may not like what Blair did but at least he won elections. You can have all of the convictions you want but it doesn't do much good if you can't get any power.
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Yes, can't think why people would be aghast at people being put on trial because their political opponants disagree with them.
That's him talking about the original Gulf War. Note how everything he said could have applied to the recent Iraq war too.
You can be full of conviction and still be wrong, you know.
What political opponents..??
It's just theatre today. You really have no idea of just how much a farce it really is.
They all drink together outside of TV/press band-standing...it's like WWF today.
They yip like scorched hyenas at one another..denouncing their opponents..*UNTIL* parliament is out of session, the reporters bored and 'hopefully' no one is watching them.
Blair was horrific...But Cameron and his hybrid harpies are beyond forgiveable in relation to their attitudes to the masses.
Not just those on benefits. Extends to all the working class, now middle class..and essentially everyone who is not exceedingly well to do and a part of that very small percentile of 'haves'..be it financially, positions of power or otherwise suitably placed as to make them an honorary member.
And Hitler was worse because...??
And similarly, you can be a politician today, lack conviction - and most certainly be wrong.
Never forgive him for marching with terrorists for terrorists.
Disgusting and he won't be missed.
Never forgive him for marching with terrorists for terrorists.
Disgusting and he won't be missed.
*YES* he will be missed. Try reading the news..creating the news you'd 'like' is fine - just don't expect it to reflect reality is all.
Marching for terrorists..???
LoL..Actually comedic a comment.
A proper old fashioned conviction politician and a proper socialist labour party man. It vwas always a joy to hear him speak.
Sad news for his family but I have to agree with you he didn't like being in the Labour cabinets of the 60's & 70's because he could not say the things he did when he was a minister.
Really he spoke well of you.!
And he will be missed many a politican today is from the same machine whichever party they are all programmed to be on message,he was his own man.
But to be positive, he was a highly intelligent man, a great public speaker and had more conviction and charisma than the current Labour front bench combined.
Sometimes I agreed with him, sometimes I didn't but when he spoke he was always worth listening to unlike most of today's vacuous, superficial politicians.
A man of innate integrity, holding the views that the Labour Party should reflect in its policies today, instead of the in-thrall-to-Big-Business views that it holds.
I'm sure a lot of people are saying nice things about him now........but let's not forget how he was savaged by the right wing tabloids during the 70s and 80s.......I suppose the equivalent of what we now call the swivel eyed loons of the Tory Party
In fact that's pretty much precisely how he was portrayed........as a swivel eyed loony
Well considering that he was in the end a political failure, were they far wrong?
His humility and integrity will live on long after those who take up political office these days are long forgotten....
That is not failure.
Marched under the banner "we're all Hezbollah" and "we're all Hamas"
Two internationally proscribed Islamic terrorists groups responsible for suicide bombings attacks against civilians.
These are the people he marched shoulder to shoulder with in London
http://commentisfreewatch.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/one1.jpg?w=593
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b167/Jauhara/Lillyassedwhitehezbos.jpg
He frequently shared a platform with Hamas sympathisers and fund raisers.
The odious cretin will not be missed.
I agree. The Labour Party should adopt his views. That would mean that they are never elected again. We may not like what Blair did but at least he won elections. You can have all of the convictions you want but it doesn't do much good if you can't get any power.