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Border agencies and HMRC
DaisyBumbleroot
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Do the costs of border agencies and HMRC outweigh the benefits that they bring to the country?
I can't understand why the government doesn't double or triple the staff of these agencies.
It means more staff can get to more dodgy companies (like takeaways etc) employing illegals, shutting them down and fining them, hopefully causing legit companies to take their place, who will employ people with the right credentials and who will pay their taxes etc. Other dodgy people then may think twice about importing slaves and opening shitty, piss taking businesses.
Same with HMRC, more people auditing and collecting taxes must surely bring in more money than emlpoying extra people. Plus all those new jobs created = more money to spend.
What am I missing?
I can't understand why the government doesn't double or triple the staff of these agencies.
It means more staff can get to more dodgy companies (like takeaways etc) employing illegals, shutting them down and fining them, hopefully causing legit companies to take their place, who will employ people with the right credentials and who will pay their taxes etc. Other dodgy people then may think twice about importing slaves and opening shitty, piss taking businesses.
Same with HMRC, more people auditing and collecting taxes must surely bring in more money than emlpoying extra people. Plus all those new jobs created = more money to spend.
What am I missing?
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Doubles your chances of catching those who are not permitted in the country: once at the border and again when they are in the United Kingdom.
You're forgetting the Tory mantra - private good, public bad :rolleyes:
Wasn't there a teensy weensy bit of an uproar when Labour suggested ID cards?
Yes, sections of British public appear not to want ID cards. But may not appear to accept the consequences of this desire.
With a long coastline, speaking English and having no ID cards, may mean its easier to arrive and then remain in the United Kingdom undetected.
Or just check everyone coming in ?
And makes an absolute fortune for ID card forgers.
There might have been less objection if we hadn't had to pay for the pleasure of owning one + renewal fees evrey few years.
UKBF do that anyway.
If you really want to get into United Kingdom undetected, you can. Without ID cards, its easier to remain in the United Kingdom undetected.
Blair said last week in an interview that he still thought that they were a good idea. I've still got the one issued to me in WWII.
If you did not have an ID card then you could not register with the Ministry of Food to get a ration card. So you got no food.
Perhaps modern day ID cards could be linked to present day government agencies?
Yep, there will forged ID cards. Just as there are forged passports in circulation.
Those using forged ID cards face criminal prosecution.
An ID card would have your photo, name and address, date of birth and national insurance number. Being in possession of an ID card confirms that you are permitted to reside in the United Kingdom. And presenting your ID card to benefit agencies would permit you to benefits where you are legally entitled to them.
It wasnt the concept of ID cards people objected to it was the "super" database it utilized in the background the scope of which went far beyond an ordinary ID card
Absolutely.
An ID card need only confirm residency and entitlement to benefit. I've seen German ID cards: there's no magnetic strip or hidden data. It's little more than the backpage of your passport plus your national insurance number.
And forging an ID card would be pointless. As every ID card would have the cardholder's national insurance and photo, the police would spot those using cards with erroneous national insurance numbers.
If you duplicated a genuine card with a genuine national insurance number, the police would spot this because there would be two cards in circulation with same name and same national insurance number.
I know the arguments for them.
But I am convinced that all that would happen is that identity fraud would rocket.
The government has appalling record for failures in IT, losing data and never catching illegals immigrants.
They have never caught the short black person in Manchester who was using my tall white son's NI number and it caused him huge problems.
Immigration control at the front line during the New Labour era I suppose. Take note Yvette Cooper, next time you criticise the governments immigration policy in practice. Compared to what went on in your era, its border control is a smooth efficient operation.
No wonder people come to the United Kingdom. Our government are incapable of catching them.
Think that says more about the British government than those who chose to come to this country without permission.
The outcome is the same.
Everyone wants to come to Britain and not the rest of the EU it seems. Why not just stay in France?
So that's how it works. Its settled migrants in this country who are paying the smugglers to bring in their relatives illegally. Once their here, they employee them in family businesses.
Yes it is.
Depends which way around the causal relationship is.
HMRC and border agency aren't private are they? Doesn't the government employ these?
That's my point, I believe it's because they are all understaffed, so increasing staff would surely start to catch more people and deter more people at the same time?
My personal objection to the ID card was the way the previous government tried to bring them in, by jumping on the alcohol bandwgaon and making people of 25 to 30 show ID to buy wine etc , they tried to bring them in via the backdoor by making shopping a hassle and making us feel life would be easier with them. My other objection was the fact that the operation to implement and maintain the rgeister of Id cards was to be overseen by a private French company and not a goverment department.
Do it right and use them for a valid purpose then many people would not object.