but you were born here. immigrants choose to give up that place where they came from.
when they come here so it's their fault if they don't have a house in they come here not ours.
I don't think polish people would have a same view to british people if decided to go to live in poland .
polish people would think they got more like to the polish social housing in an immigrant to poland.
Um, they do.
Not Poland but I lived in Sweden for a few years and got stuff out of the Swedish social system just as a native Swede could.
I do have a Swedish born friend who studied in Poland and she too got equal treatment. I don't know how social housing is over there but you are fully entitled to go over and apply for it and be treat equally to a Pole.
Too many little Englanders, content to stay in their little islandy bubble, ignore that this is a two way street. Lots of Brits take advantage of EU law to work abroad, something that will only increase in the future as eastern europe develops and the strength of English as a global language solidifies.
What planet does this guy live on, what about a British worker doing this and getting a nice place to live rent free in the centre of London?
Does he understand that a foreign graduate taking a job below their skills level is taking a job from a British school leaver with no or little qualifications. I don't blame the Indian guy, he apparently understood and accepted the decision completely, he will also have a c.v. that opens lots of doors in his career, but I do blame left wing journalists like this one for not caring about the working class in the UK.
I find this post funny.
I read the same article this morning and got the opposite impression from it. This guy was being very anti-foreigner and tradtionally left wing British worker uber alles, lets pick and choose only the best immigrants no matter where they're from, **** the EU, etc....
Too many little Englanders, content to stay in their little islandy bubble, ignore that this is a two way street. Lots of Brits take advantage of EU law to work abroad, something that will only increase in the future as eastern europe develops and the strength of English as a global language solidifies.
I agree with what you say, however all those Brits who go and work abroad that I know actually know, go and work - they don't rely on the welfare system in the host country. Perhaps I have only met the Brits who are prepared to work but surely you can see the point that, yes you should welcome economic migrants to fill job vacancies, but those who want to rely on the State for support....
Too many little Englanders, content to stay in their little islandy bubble, ignore that this is a two way street. Lots of Brits take advantage of EU law to work abroad, something that will only increase in the future as eastern europe develops and the strength of English as a global language solidifies.
You realise the solution to that is balanced migration. So for example.
2 million Brits go to Spain, we set the cap to 2 million Spaniards allowed to come here.
If 1000 Britons emigrate to India, we set the cap of Indians allowed to come here to 1000.
Um, they do.
Not Poland but I lived in Sweden for a few years and got stuff out of the Swedish social system just as a native Swede could.
I do have a Swedish born friend who studied in Poland and she too got equal treatment. I don't know how social housing is over there but you are fully entitled to go over and apply for it and be treat equally to a Pole.
Too many little Englanders, content to stay in their little islandy bubble, ignore that this is a two way street. Lots of Brits take advantage of EU law to work abroad, something that will only increase in the future as eastern europe develops and the strength of English as a global language solidifies.
I find this post funny.
I read the same article this morning and got the opposite impression from it. This guy was being very anti-foreigner and tradtionally left wing British worker uber alles, lets pick and choose only the best immigrants no matter where they're from, **** the EU, etc....
do you think polish people welcome british people like we got to welcome them I don't think so.
I agree with what you say, however all those Brits who go and work abroad that I know actually know, go and work - they don't rely on the welfare system in the host country. Perhaps I have only met the Brits who are prepared to work but surely you can see the point that, yes you should welcome economic migrants to fill job vacancies, but those who want to rely on the State for support....
How many EU migrants in the UK claim work related benefits?
You realise the solution to that is balanced migration. So for example.
2 million Brits go to Spain, we set the cap to 2 million Spaniards allowed to come here.
If 1000 Britons emigrate to India, we set the cap of Indians allowed to come here to 1000.
What about one million Spaniards, two hundred thousand French, four hundred thousand Poles, one hundred and fifty thousand Italians and two hundred and fifty thousand Romanians?
I meant polish people wouldn't be welcoming to british people in poland. like british people are meant to be welcoming to polish people here
Have you ever been to Poland? Britain is one of the most popular countries over there, they treat Brits very well, better than we treat Poles probally given the anti eastern european ignorance floating about.
You realise the solution to that is balanced migration. So for example.
2 million Brits go to Spain, we set the cap to 2 million Spaniards allowed to come here.
If 1000 Britons emigrate to India, we set the cap of Indians allowed to come here to 1000.
That's silly.
What if the world's leading heart surgeon, an Indian, decides he wants to relocate to London- but we've already had our 1000 Indians for the year?
Meanwhile every random useless Juan, Miguel and Pablo is allowed to come as they please.
I agree with what you say, however all those Brits who go and work abroad that I know actually know, go and work - they don't rely on the welfare system in the host country. Perhaps I have only met the Brits who are prepared to work but surely you can see the point that, yes you should welcome economic migrants to fill job vacancies, but those who want to rely on the State for support....
If people are working here legally and paying taxes here then why shouldn't they get any benefits that people that where born here and work do?
Because they are not citizens - if they are economic migrants simply here to work, then there should be no issue with exempting them from welfare handouts.
No idea - but I still haven't seen a valid argument as to why they should be entitled to any benefits.
And yet you imply that they don't want to work? A bit confusing, wouldn't you say. You seemed to know that they don't want to work, but have no idea how many. Surely, if you claim that they don't want to to work, you must know, at least roughly, how many don't want to work.
Because they are not citizens - if they are economic migrants simply here to work, then there should be no issue with exempting them from welfare handouts.
In which case, they shouldn't have to pay any taxes.
And yet you imply that they don't want to work? A bit confusing, wouldn't you say. You seemed to know that they don't want to work, but have no idea how many. Surely, if you claim that they don't want to to work, you must know, at least roughly, how many don't want to work.
What are you on about?
We keep getting told (by you amongst others) that Economic migrants are not here to collect welfare but to work - then in that case why the desperation to ensure that they cannot be exempted from receiving welfare handouts?
In which case, they shouldn't have to pay any taxes.
So all British citizens who are not in receipt of welfare should not pay tax either?
Because they are not citizens - if they are economic migrants simply here to work, then there should be no issue with exempting them from welfare handouts.
For me it matters not whether or not they are citizens and that should not be the test and isn't the test either officially for EU citizens. If people are paying the same taxes as British citizens they should be entitled to the same benefits as well. If not, they should pay less tax I think.
You were the one who was implying that EU migrants come here to claim benefits.
We keep getting told (by you amongst others) that Economic migrants are not here to collect welfare but to work - then in that case why the desperation to ensure that they cannot be exempted from receiving welfare handouts?
Because they are entitled to, if they need to. We are constantly being told by you and others that even they equally contribute to society as any British person, they shouldn't be allowed to.
So all British citizens who are not in receipt of welfare should not pay tax either?
Not at all, because if they should ever need to, they will have had to have paid into the system. But then, they don't even have have paid into the system in order to qualify for benefits. But you are calling for people, who have paid their taxes, should not be allowed to benefit from the system they have supported. If they are not allowed to call upon the state in time of need, they shouldn't have to support it.
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Not Poland but I lived in Sweden for a few years and got stuff out of the Swedish social system just as a native Swede could.
I do have a Swedish born friend who studied in Poland and she too got equal treatment. I don't know how social housing is over there but you are fully entitled to go over and apply for it and be treat equally to a Pole.
Too many little Englanders, content to stay in their little islandy bubble, ignore that this is a two way street. Lots of Brits take advantage of EU law to work abroad, something that will only increase in the future as eastern europe develops and the strength of English as a global language solidifies.
I find this post funny.
I read the same article this morning and got the opposite impression from it. This guy was being very anti-foreigner and tradtionally left wing British worker uber alles, lets pick and choose only the best immigrants no matter where they're from, **** the EU, etc....
I agree with what you say, however all those Brits who go and work abroad that I know actually know, go and work - they don't rely on the welfare system in the host country. Perhaps I have only met the Brits who are prepared to work but surely you can see the point that, yes you should welcome economic migrants to fill job vacancies, but those who want to rely on the State for support....
You realise the solution to that is balanced migration. So for example.
2 million Brits go to Spain, we set the cap to 2 million Spaniards allowed to come here.
If 1000 Britons emigrate to India, we set the cap of Indians allowed to come here to 1000.
do you think polish people welcome british people like we got to welcome them I don't think so.
that sounds a very good idea but government would not do it.
in fact every nation on earth should have that rule.
Sorry Ricky, but that post makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
How many EU migrants in the UK claim work related benefits?
What about one million Spaniards, two hundred thousand French, four hundred thousand Poles, one hundred and fifty thousand Italians and two hundred and fifty thousand Romanians?
On your last trip to Poland, how were you treated?
I meant polish people wouldn't be welcoming to british people in poland. like british people are meant to be welcoming to polish people here
All these British homeless people, yet councils allocate homes to foreigners - disgraceful.
no surprise is it.
One of the rough sleepers in the report on TV even had cerebral palsy FFS.
That's silly.
What if the world's leading heart surgeon, an Indian, decides he wants to relocate to London- but we've already had our 1000 Indians for the year?
Meanwhile every random useless Juan, Miguel and Pablo is allowed to come as they please.
So do 99% of EU people who come here.
No idea - but I still haven't seen a valid argument as to why they should be entitled to any benefits.
If people are working here legally and paying taxes here then why shouldn't they get any benefits that people that where born here and work do?
Because they are not citizens - if they are economic migrants simply here to work, then there should be no issue with exempting them from welfare handouts.
And yet you imply that they don't want to work?
In which case, they shouldn't have to pay any taxes.
What are you on about?
We keep getting told (by you amongst others) that Economic migrants are not here to collect welfare but to work - then in that case why the desperation to ensure that they cannot be exempted from receiving welfare handouts?
So all British citizens who are not in receipt of welfare should not pay tax either?
For me it matters not whether or not they are citizens and that should not be the test and isn't the test either officially for EU citizens. If people are paying the same taxes as British citizens they should be entitled to the same benefits as well. If not, they should pay less tax I think.
You were the one who was implying that EU migrants come here to claim benefits.
Because they are entitled to, if they need to. We are constantly being told by you and others that even they equally contribute to society as any British person, they shouldn't be allowed to.
Not at all, because if they should ever need to, they will have had to have paid into the system. But then, they don't even have have paid into the system in order to qualify for benefits. But you are calling for people, who have paid their taxes, should not be allowed to benefit from the system they have supported. If they are not allowed to call upon the state in time of need, they shouldn't have to support it.
I think you need read the whole thread before asking that question.