No one has disputed that it hasn't done as well as it might have, so I'm not sure what truth people haven't accepted.
One part of the second article I completely agree with though:
"Many Apple-bashers find it easy to explain the company's historic success: "it's just marketing."
To them, Apple products are overpriced and uninventive, but damn, those guys sure know how to sell.
Fortunately, from time to time Apple proves this theory to be as brain-dead as it sounds."
The relevance is what exactly, the 5 will be a success is that what you are claiming then? Because that is not what the ex exec is saying.
Perhaps you can explain what you mean here?
People say it has flopped, you say as well as it might have? What does that mean exactly how well was it supposed to do? Are you going to just quote sales numbers again
...price cuts had begun to see the coloured iPhone 5C gain sales, after falling behind the higher-priced 5S model: “When Apple first launched its new iPhones in Britain the 5S outsold the 5C by 3:1,” it said in a note.
“However, the iPhone 5C has gained momentum and was the third best-selling smartphone [in Britain] over the past three months, reducing the 5S/C ratio to 2:1.
3rd best selling phone in the UK. Sure sounds like a flop to me.
3rd best selling phone in the UK. Sure sounds like a flop to me.
It's just not done as well as was expected. It's not been a flop but it has been a disappointment. I think mainly due to the cost of it as it's very expensive compared to similar Android devices whilst it's not got the aluminium body and faster processor of the 5S which is not much more expensive.
The relevance is what exactly, the 5 will be a success is that what you are claiming then? Because that is not what the ex exec is saying.
Perhaps you can explain what you mean here?
People say it has flopped, you say as well as it might have? What does that mean exactly how well was it supposed to do? Are you going to just quote sales numbers again
Sorry, I thought it was obvious.
People often argue that Apple products only do well because of marketing, and that people buy Apple products simply because they are Apple products.
The fact that Apple have some products that clearly do better than others shows illustrates how stupid that argument is.
Still not the disaster you claim. 3rd place out of... how many phones stuck to the wall of your local O2?
Again the UK is one country and one of the biggest apple successes (you only need to look at this forum) bit how well has it done outside the UK. How well has it done in its intended markets read the links you might learn something.
Again the UK is one country and one of the biggest apple successes (you only need to look at this forum) bit how well has it done outside the UK. How well has it done in its intended markets read the links you might learn something.
Given the recent collapse in us sales for apple it could be the UK is now th he epicentre of apple activity
Not quite sure where you are getting this information from. Recent NPD figures show Apple's US market share of smartphones in 2013 as 45% (Samsung 26%) up from the 2012 figure of 44%.
Hardly a "collapse" is it ?
Its not as though you have to look very far to see any.
It's simply a stupid term used by fools who can't handle someone saying anything negative about the great apple which in itself is absolutely pathetic. You don't have to look far to see any on this thread alone!
Ever heard the term Samsung basher? Or LG basher.
No? Didn't think so. They would be equally as stupid.
It's simply a stupid term used by fools who can't handle someone saying anything negative about the great apple which in itself is absolutely pathetic. You don't have to look far to see any on this thread alone!
Ever heard the term Samsung basher? Or LG basher.
No? Didn't think so. They would be equally as stupid.
Its not so much a term, as an apt description.
I'm sure there are people who bash Samsung and LG, in which case those terms would be just as apt a description.
Would you prefer the word critic?
An example of a stupid term would be something like isheep.
Either way, none of tis detracts from the point being made, which still stands.
Over a third of the market in an expressly non-EU, non-US country. Is that a disaster too?
I never said they are a EU/Euro brand either in fact in some Eu countries Apple is non existent. Apple are strong in some countries US/Japan/UK and the vast majority of their worldwide sales come form these places. They are not contrary to what you think a worldwide brand like others, some countries are almost apple free.
Not quite sure where you are getting this information from. Recent NPD figures show Apple's US market share of smartphones in 2013 as 45% (Samsung 26%) up from the 2012 figure of 44%.
Hardly a "collapse" is it ?
You need to use up to date figures, I am talking their last earnings report in which the North American market contracted, their biggest market.
On the earnings call with analysts, Apple hinted the low growth was due to a contraction in North American iPhone sales. Apple CEO Tim Cook blamed changes in carrier policies for the North American sales drop.
Not that foolish - to bash something is a widely accepted and common slang for criticise.
Yes, there is. But it doesnt have its own sad term that the users throw about daily!!
This isn't getting thrown about daily here either. It was used in an article in Avery specific and relevant context.
An example of a stupid term would be something like isheep.
Which to be honest, is earned by some apple users.
When I said "if the cap fits" you dismissed that, saying was simply a stupid term.
But here you are saying that it's fine to call some Apple users iSheep.
Are you just completely oblivious to the double standard?
It doesn't really.
It absolutely does. If people argue that the only reason Apple products well so well is down to marketing, then the fact that some Apple products don't sell as well clearly disproves that argument.
5C is still selling less than the 4S according to info from various retailers. However the gap is much smaller than it once was when the 4S was trouncing the 5C in sales.
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Perhaps you can explain what you mean here?
People say it has flopped, you say as well as it might have? What does that mean exactly how well was it supposed to do? Are you going to just quote sales numbers again
He is an ex apple exec probably not been deprogrammed yet
In fairness he actually used that to emphasise what a disaster the 5c is. A little over CP's head those things.
3rd best selling phone in the UK. Sure sounds like a flop to me.
It's just not done as well as was expected. It's not been a flop but it has been a disappointment. I think mainly due to the cost of it as it's very expensive compared to similar Android devices whilst it's not got the aluminium body and faster processor of the 5S which is not much more expensive.
You know there are other countries besides the UK yes?
Given the recent collapse in us sales for apple it could be the UK is now th he epicentre of apple activity
Oh, I don't know - if the cap fits.
Its not as though you have to look very far to see any.
Sorry, I thought it was obvious.
People often argue that Apple products only do well because of marketing, and that people buy Apple products simply because they are Apple products.
The fact that Apple have some products that clearly do better than others shows illustrates how stupid that argument is.
I said it hadn't done as well as it might have.
Still not the disaster you claim. 3rd place out of... how many phones stuck to the wall of your local O2?
No, nothing has gone over my head.
Its just that my head is capable of distinguishing between more than your simplistic black and white world, where the only two possible options are:
Black - flop
White - record breaking success
Again the UK is one country and one of the biggest apple successes (you only need to look at this forum) bit how well has it done outside the UK. How well has it done in its intended markets read the links you might learn something.
Only black that is blacker than the blackest night for the 5c I'm afraid.
Sounds pretty black.
So how much blacker would it have been if it had sold only one tenth of what it actually has?
Well, http://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckjones/2013/10/28/apples-iphone-captured-34-of-japanese-mobile-phone-sales-in-september/
Over a third of the market in an expressly non-EU, non-US country. Is that a disaster too?
It looks like Apple may consider the 5C to have damaged the brand? I guess it might get dropped like the iPhone 5? Time will tell......
Not quite sure where you are getting this information from. Recent NPD figures show Apple's US market share of smartphones in 2013 as 45% (Samsung 26%) up from the 2012 figure of 44%.
Hardly a "collapse" is it ?
It's simply a stupid term used by fools who can't handle someone saying anything negative about the great apple which in itself is absolutely pathetic. You don't have to look far to see any on this thread alone!
Ever heard the term Samsung basher? Or LG basher.
No? Didn't think so. They would be equally as stupid.
Its not so much a term, as an apt description.
I'm sure there are people who bash Samsung and LG, in which case those terms would be just as apt a description.
Would you prefer the word critic?
An example of a stupid term would be something like isheep.
Either way, none of tis detracts from the point being made, which still stands.
I never said they are a EU/Euro brand either in fact in some Eu countries Apple is non existent. Apple are strong in some countries US/Japan/UK and the vast majority of their worldwide sales come form these places. They are not contrary to what you think a worldwide brand like others, some countries are almost apple free.
You need to use up to date figures, I am talking their last earnings report in which the North American market contracted, their biggest market.
www.businessinsider.com/apple-q1-earnings-2014-1#ixzz2uRzB6bI7
It amazes me that any negative truth about Apple people think you have invented it
TC would be gone simple as that.
Now I'm confused.
You said earlier that the current situation already was "blacker than the blackest night'.
If its already "blacker than the blackest night", it doesn't sound like it could be much blacker.
Either way, I'm still intrigued why you are so interested anyway.
Still potential for the lights to fail yet
Glad your intrigued CP
I'm always amused by your refusal to accept facts in relation to Apple
Not apt at all. Foolish.
Yes, there is. But it doesnt have its own sad term that the users throw about daily!!
An example of a stupid term would be something like isheep.
Which to be honest, is earned by some apple users.
It doesn't really.
Not that foolish - to bash something is a widely accepted and common slang for criticise.
This isn't getting thrown about daily here either. It was used in an article in Avery specific and relevant context.
When I said "if the cap fits" you dismissed that, saying was simply a stupid term.
But here you are saying that it's fine to call some Apple users iSheep.
Are you just completely oblivious to the double standard?
It absolutely does. If people argue that the only reason Apple products well so well is down to marketing, then the fact that some Apple products don't sell as well clearly disproves that argument.
And I'm always impressed at your ability to reply to posts, and yet say precisely nothing.