Parents who deliberately starve children of love face jail under new government Law

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Parents who deliberately starve children of love face jail under new Cinderella Law

Changes to the child neglect laws will make “emotional cruelty” a crime for the first time.

The Government will introduce the change in the Queen’s Speech in early June to enforce the protection of children’s emotional, social and behavioural well-being.

Parents found guilty under the law change could face up to 10 years in prison.

It could include deliberately ignoring a child, or not showing them any love, over prolonged periods, damaging a child’s emotional development.

Other new offences could include forcing a child to witness domestic violence, making a child a scape goat or forcing degrading punishments upon them.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/children_shealth/10732982/Parents-who-starve-children-of-love-face-jail.html

An interesting development.

It does all sound rather dangerously subjective though and open to interpretation.
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  • ShaunIOWShaunIOW Posts: 11,303
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    Wouldn't this affect those parents who put raising their offspring into the hands of nannys or boarding schools as they can't be arsed or too busy to do it themselves?
  • johnny_boi_UKjohnny_boi_UK Posts: 3,761
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    ShaunIOW wrote: »
    Wouldn't this affect those parents who put raising their offspring into the hands of nannys or boarding schools as they can't be arsed or too busy to do it themselves?

    That's what Jol was saying, it's open to interpretation.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 9,720
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    ShaunIOW wrote: »
    Wouldn't this affect those parents who put raising their offspring into the hands of nannys or boarding schools as they can't be arsed or too busy to do it themselves?

    Presumably, the law will apply to teachers and nannies.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 3,180
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    If they are concerned about childrens wellbeing they should start with this...

    More than two million children are 'growing up cold' in England, according to new figures released today, as a poll suggests that UK parents are sacrificing buying family essentials in order to heat their homes.

    The shocking figures from ACE Research for the Energy Bill Revolution show the number of children living in fuel poverty has increased by 460,000 over the past year, a dramatic 26% rise.

    http://www.itv.com/news/update/2014-01-30/over-two-million-uk-children-are-growing-up-cold/


    This sounds like another daft idea anyway... how on earth would they check on every child to see if they are facing emotional cruelty, and what about when alcoholism and mental illness is a driving factor? Emotional cruelty isn't always apparent to children themselves, it can be hidden and not talked about. There have been studies done that show that childrens wellbeing generally is worse in more unequal societies. That's what needs to change if we are going to seriously tackle the problem. What good is sending parents to jail for emotional cruelty going to do?

    Tories lay good things to waste and push people to the edge and then blame them for everything. We need to lay them to waste before things can start to get better for people.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 32,379
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    Jol44 wrote: »
    Parents who deliberately starve children of love face jail under new Cinderella Law

    Changes to the child neglect laws will make “emotional cruelty” a crime for the first time.

    The Government will introduce the change in the Queen’s Speech in early June to enforce the protection of children’s emotional, social and behavioural well-being.

    Parents found guilty under the law change could face up to 10 years in prison.

    It could include deliberately ignoring a child, or not showing them any love, over prolonged periods, damaging a child’s emotional development.

    Other new offences could include forcing a child to witness domestic violence, making a child a scape goat or forcing degrading punishments upon them.


    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/children_shealth/10732982/Parents-who-starve-children-of-love-face-jail.html

    An interesting development.

    It does all sound rather dangerously subjective though and open to interpretation.

    I wonder why you didn't paste this bit in, it was a Labour plan:confused:

    while the respected Labour MP Paul Goggins, who died in January, started his campaign to amend the law in February 2013.
  • nobodyherenobodyhere Posts: 1,313
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    The trouble with it being daft is stupidity frequently prevails over common sense when it comes to our lawmakers.. though this begs the question why MP's would go out of their way to incriminate themselves (many use nannys.. and from the childs perspective they won't understand the reasons mommy and daddy leave them with nannys or in boarding schools each day, just that they are often not around)

    Nevermind the teenager years.. talk about powder kegs
  • GTR DavoGTR Davo Posts: 4,573
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    Jol44 wrote: »
    Parents who deliberately starve children of love face jail under new Cinderella Law

    Changes to the child neglect laws will make “emotional cruelty” a crime for the first time.

    The Government will introduce the change in the Queen’s Speech in early June to enforce the protection of children’s emotional, social and behavioural well-being.

    Parents found guilty under the law change could face up to 10 years in prison.

    It could include deliberately ignoring a child, or not showing them any love, over prolonged periods, damaging a child’s emotional development.

    Other new offences could include forcing a child to witness domestic violence, making a child a scape goat or forcing degrading punishments upon them.


    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/children_shealth/10732982/Parents-who-starve-children-of-love-face-jail.html

    An interesting development.

    It does all sound rather dangerously subjective though and open to interpretation.

    Well this take the crown for the biggest load of bollox I read all day. Yet again we must protect the children!! Nanny State knows best people :D:D
  • jenziejenzie Posts: 20,821
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    what sodding BULL**** is this?????

    "children of LOVE"
    "CINDERELLA law"

    are we now living in FANTASY LAND ..... oh wait, this is the tories we're talking about!

    CHILD NEGLECT IS ALREADY A CRIME YOU MORONS
  • jmclaughjmclaugh Posts: 63,988
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    Jol44 wrote: »

    It does all sound rather dangerously subjective though and open to interpretation.

    It does indeed.
  • Ethel_FredEthel_Fred Posts: 34,127
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    jenzie wrote: »
    what sodding BULL**** is this?????

    "children of LOVE"
    "CINDERELLA law"

    are we now living in FANTASY LAND ..... oh wait, this is the tories we're talking about!

    CHILD NEGLECT IS ALREADY A CRIME YOU MORONS

    Has cross party support
  • rusty123rusty123 Posts: 22,872
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    jmclaugh wrote: »
    It does indeed.

    Not only that it's another tier of mitigating evidence for a persons actions should said actions find them up infront of the beak.

    It's fair to say that mental as well as physical abuse is wrong, but as far as legislating against it goes .....

    ...subjective minefield at best.
  • flagpoleflagpole Posts: 44,641
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    jenzie wrote: »
    what sodding BULL**** is this?????

    "children of LOVE"
    "CINDERELLA law"

    are we now living in FANTASY LAND ..... oh wait, this is the tories we're talking about!

    CHILD NEGLECT IS ALREADY A CRIME YOU MORONS

    who do you think knows more about the laws surrounding child neglect? you or the responsible department?
  • MidnightFalconMidnightFalcon Posts: 15,016
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    jenzie wrote: »
    what sodding BULL**** is this?????

    "children of LOVE"
    "CINDERELLA law"

    are we now living in FANTASY LAND ..... oh wait, this is the tories we're talking about!

    CHILD NEGLECT IS ALREADY A CRIME YOU MORONS

    <Rollyeyes> read post 6.

    Apart from the blatantly tribal BS. I agree.
  • AnnsyreAnnsyre Posts: 109,476
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    woodbush wrote: »
    I wonder why you didn't paste this bit in, it was a Labour plan:confused:

    while the respected Labour MP Paul Goggins, who died in January, started his campaign to amend the law in February 2013.

    :D:D:D:D

    It's a stupid idea and entirely unworkable and a lot of nonsense.
  • AnnsyreAnnsyre Posts: 109,476
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    jenzie wrote: »
    what sodding BULL**** is this?????

    "children of LOVE"
    "CINDERELLA law"

    are we now living in FANTASY LAND ..... oh wait, this is the tories we're talking about!

    CHILD NEGLECT IS ALREADY A CRIME YOU MORONS

    Wrong.
  • Pisces CloudPisces Cloud Posts: 30,239
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    I leave stuff like this to the experts because they know more about child neglect than I ever will. It probably does need to be tackled if we want children to grow up to be stable, responsible adults. Which will be better for the country in the long run.
  • nanscombenanscombe Posts: 16,588
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    flagpole wrote: »
    who do you think knows more about the laws surrounding child neglect? you or the responsible department?

    The parents who are still getting away with it because the responsible department either can't touch them or hasn't got a clue what's going on?
  • flagpoleflagpole Posts: 44,641
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    What Jol has done here. and fair play to him. is he has chosen the phrase 'starve children of love' because it sounds like balls.

    the actual discussion involves 'emotional cruelty' had the OP chosen that phrase this thread would be entirely different.

    Jol can't speak out in favour 'emotional cruelty' to children, but if he calls it starving of love and says it seems a bit unclear the thread will write itself.

    it's not a lack of hugs tax as i'm sure labour would be calling it if they weren't supporting it. it's emotional cruelty. which is not currently illegal. if you wish you can tell your child you hate it every day of it's life. should that be ok?
  • nanscombenanscombe Posts: 16,588
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    I wonder if people who advocate punishment by humiliation or deliberately ignoring a child, by use of the "naughty step" approach will be exempt? :D
  • TassiumTassium Posts: 31,639
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    There is a definite shift in UK politics towards authoritarianism, from all the main parties.

    Labour/Conservative/Lib Dem, they like laws like this particular one because no actual evidence is needed. Just an opinion.


    When Labour/Conservatives are in agreement you know things are bad. It's actually quite scary where the country is going.
  • TassiumTassium Posts: 31,639
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    flagpole wrote: »
    What Jol has done here. and fair play to him. is he has chosen the phrase 'starve children of love' because it sounds like balls.

    the actual discussion involves 'emotional cruelty' had the OP chosen that phrase this thread would be entirely different.

    Jol can't speak out in favour 'emotional cruelty' to children, but if he calls it starving of love and says it seems a bit unclear the thread will write itself.

    it's not a lack of hugs tax as i'm sure labour would be calling it if they weren't supporting it. it's emotional cruelty. which is not currently illegal. if you wish you can tell your child you hate it every day of it's life. should that be ok?

    Not everything can be legislated away you know...

    This is the sort of thinking that New Labour were guilty of, thinking you could just "fix" a problem with a new law.

    I'm pretty sure you could find a huge number of child pyschologists who would consider being brought up by a nanny as emotional harm of a high level.

    Will MPs with nannies be in the dock? Celebrities?
  • flagpoleflagpole Posts: 44,641
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    Tassium wrote: »
    There is a definite shift in UK politics towards authoritarianism, from all the main parties.
    I'm not sure i would agree that it is authoritarian to stop people abusing their child. i mean presumably you don't think it's overly authoritarian to stop you from kicking your child in the face.

    as we now recognise the equivalence of emotional well being it seems worth while updating the law.
    Labour/Conservative/Lib Dem, they like laws like this particular one because no actual evidence is needed. Just an opinion.
    how do you know this? are you speaking in the general case or are you saying that there is no evidence a law is needed here?
  • flagpoleflagpole Posts: 44,641
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    Tassium wrote: »
    Not everything can be legislated away you know...

    This is the sort of thinking that New Labour were guilty of, thinking you could just "fix" a problem with a new law.

    I'm pretty sure you could find a huge number of child pyschologists who would consider being brought up by a nanny as emotional harm of a high level.

    Will MPs with nannies be in the dock? Celebrities?

    no.

    i'm sure when they introduced laws against child abuse there would have been people saying what does this mean we will be locking people up for this or that.

    do you think it should be legal to call your child a **** every day, tell it you hate it and make it sit in silence? yes or no?
  • gummy mummygummy mummy Posts: 26,600
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    flagpole wrote: »
    What Jol has done here. and fair play to him. is he has chosen the phrase 'starve children of love' because it sounds like balls.

    the actual discussion involves 'emotional cruelty' had the OP chosen that phrase this thread would be entirely different.

    Jol can't speak out in favour 'emotional cruelty' to children, but if he calls it starving of love and says it seems a bit unclear the thread will write itself.

    it's not a lack of hugs tax as i'm sure labour would be calling it if they weren't supporting it. it's emotional cruelty. which is not currently illegal. if you wish you can tell your child you hate it every day of it's life. should that be ok?

    To be fair it is the Telegraphs headline, maybe you should take issue with them
  • AnnsyreAnnsyre Posts: 109,476
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    Two children die every weak at the hands of parents or carers and we then see the never ending queue of social workers wringing their hands and telling us that "lessons will be learned". The only lesson that I have learned is that some parents are abusive and cruel and neglectful. That has always been the case and always will be.
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