The idea of liberty is apparently a big one in America. Personal liberty and responsibility is a huge deal. Tories would appear left wing and 'socialist' because they "support" (even if they just pay lip-service) the idea of the NHS and the state. The NHS is something quite repulsive because of the idea of liberty - America is a place where if you work hard enough you can achieve anything, therefore if you need help with anything, you need to work harder kind of thing.
The idea of the state helping people out goes against everything, because it implies people aren't taking responsibility for themselves.
That's as far as I understand it anyway. I may be wrong in this, though.
I would thats quite accurate. Americans hate big government interfering in their lives so oppose nanny state things such as the nhs
Free markets, low taxes with a fruity bible basing twist.
Even then it's still more complicated that. You can have Conservative Dems and Liberal Republicans. Though less so since the Tea Party stuck the boot in.
BNP is about a very large, centralised Government...and racism.
In the DS world they all come under the banner of "pure evil".
I would thats quite accurate. Americans hate big government interfering in their lives so oppose nanny state things such as the nhs
So broadly free healthcare at point of need is deemed to be "big government" "interfering" in your life if you're unfortunate enough to be ill or injured, is it?
In the DS world they all come under the banner of "pure evil".
Odd. I don't see a particular political consensus on this website. Certainly not of a left / liberal bias at any rate, if that is what you're implying.
So broadly free healthcare at point of need is deemed to be "big government" "interfering" in your life if you're unfortunate enough to be ill or injured, is it?
Words fail me.
For certain American's it certainly is.
The american dream is a lie, but they eat it up everyday.
Odd. I don't see a particular political consensus on this website. Certainly not of a left / liberal bias at any rate, if that is what you're implying.
have you read GD, if there is a liberal bias I must have blinked and missed it.
So broadly free healthcare at point of need is deemed to be "big government" "interfering" in your life if you're unfortunate enough to be ill or injured, is it?
Words fail me.
Many people over there openly dont wish to pay for health care and with Obama forcing it onto people as a new tax they dont want to have to pay for it. Sounds reasonable
Take healthcare. Even the most liberal Democrat isn't trying to introduce a NHS-style system in the US. Obama's reforms are all about extending the private insurance to more people. In this country the Tories wouldn't dare try to bring in such a policy.
Apart from a few right-wingers nutters, most of the UK Conservative Party would be Democrats in US terms along with most of Labour, Anyone on the left of the Labour Party who believes in things like nationalisation of industry would be seen a raving Communist.
Many people over there openly dont wish to pay for health care and with Obama forcing it onto people as a new tax they dont want to have to pay for it. Sounds reasonable
And there are others who are against "Obamacare" as they believe it should be down to the individual States to manage a healthcare system rather than the Federal government. In fact when Romney was Governor of Massachusetts (a very Democrat voting state) he introduced a state-wide system which provided more comprehensive cover than Obama's system does. Now Romney is against it at the Federal level.
Many people over there openly dont wish to pay for health care and with Obama forcing it onto people as a new tax they dont want to have to pay for it. Sounds reasonable
Only if you're an amoral, selfish twunt who doesn't give two shiny ones about anybody other than yourself and thinks that concepts such as the common good are something to do with Hitler, sure.
Only if you're an amoral, selfish twunt who doesn't give two shiny ones about anybody other than yourself and thinks that concepts such as the common good are something to do with Hitler, sure.
Obama care isn't even remotely a liberal/socialist policy, all it is doing is extending private health care. But yeah, not wanting others to suffer when they fall on hard times? Oooo you naughty liberal you.
Only if you're an amoral, selfish twunt who doesn't give two shiny ones about anybody other than yourself and thinks that concepts such as the common good are something to do with Hitler, sure.
British National Party. A UK political group who are known to be racist and homophobic. The leader refers to gays as AIDS monkeys and the party wishes to remove all non whites from the UK.
oh okay, thanks. And, just to set the record straight the Republican is not like that AT ALL. Its leans towards conservatism but its definitely not a hate group despite what you might read on here.
Also, we don't like big government and don't want the government to get in our business. Alot of Republicans are probably more Libertarian than anything. I lean that way too.
Free markets, low taxes with a fruity bible basing twist.
Republicans are for free markets for Americans. Everyone else would be subject to tariffs and other means of ensuring they can't compete in the same markets.
As for low taxes - they are for them as long as they can spend the money on weaponry and "pork" for the folks at home. The average US Bill is farcical as you find spending for some personal boondoggle in a major defence Bill which is there to get the Senator "on side" - in effect out and out bribery
The ironic thing is though, if you look at the figures for how much the US Government contributes to health care costs per head compared to the UK, they actually spend more, but most of it goes to the private healthcare companies.
oh okay, thanks. And, just to set the record straight the Republican is not like that AT ALL. Its leans towards conservatism but its definitely not a hate group despite what you might read on here.
Unless it can shake off the tea party it will certainly end up that way.
The ironic thing is though, if you look at the figures for how much the US Government contributes to health care costs per head compared to the UK, they actually spend more, but most of it goes to the private healthcare companies.
No use trying to use logic here Captain, they would rather spend more money if it meant the government kept its nose out. Private health care companies = Big Business = Good.
Obama care isn't even remotely a liberal/socialist policy, all it is doing is extending private health care. But yeah, not wanting others to suffer when they fall on hard times? Oooo you naughty liberal you.
Romneycare is like the system they have in Switzerland - but the US spends more per capita on tax payer funded medicine - ie "liberal/socialist" - that most European states spend for ALL their healthcare.
If you have missed the liberal bias on DS, you've done more than blinked, I think you are totally asleep.:eek:
From US perspective I can fully see why it would appear that way, given the US is generally more right wing than the UK but this is predominantly a UK website with the vast majority of forum members from the UK.
But from a UK perspective DS isn't as left wing biased as many people (even in the UK) seem to think, the constant threads bashing Muslims, benefit/welfare claimants etc. are testament to that.
If you have missed the liberal bias on DS, you've done more than blinked, I think you are totally asleep.:eek:
Really?? :eek: How come? because i seem to spend most of my time arguing that no, the middle east does not deserve to get the shit bombed out of it, not all muslims are evil, not everyone who is unemployed is work shy, being gay is natural, the list goes on.
Maybe you and i have different ideas on what makes a liberal
Romneycare is like the system they have in Switzerland - but the US spends more per capita on tax payer funded medicine - ie "liberal/socialist" - that most European states spend for ALL their healthcare.
Romneycare is like the system they have in Switzerland - but the US spends more per capita on tax payer funded medicine - ie "liberal/socialist" - that most European states spend for ALL their healthcare.
I don't think it has anything to do with money, like i said before I think some folks are quite happy that the US pays so much out in health care, as long as there is not even the slightest suggestion on government interference they are happy to pay out the nose for it.
Republicans are for free markets for Americans. Everyone else would be subject to tariffs and other means of ensuring they can't compete in the same markets.
As for low taxes - they are for them as long as they can spend the money on weaponry and "pork" for the folks at home. The average US Bill is farcical as you find spending for some personal boondoggle in a major defence Bill which is there to get the Senator "on side" - in effect out and out bribery
Pork barrelling is hardly a uniquely Republican trait though.
Strange way to pass laws and that's from a country where they occasionally make paper hats for some procedural oddity I can't remember.
Can't believe I'm defending Republicans itt. Internet's a strange place.
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I would thats quite accurate. Americans hate big government interfering in their lives so oppose nanny state things such as the nhs
In the DS world they all come under the banner of "pure evil".
Words fail me.
Odd. I don't see a particular political consensus on this website. Certainly not of a left / liberal bias at any rate, if that is what you're implying.
For certain American's it certainly is.
The american dream is a lie, but they eat it up everyday.
have you read GD, if there is a liberal bias I must have blinked and missed it.
Many people over there openly dont wish to pay for health care and with Obama forcing it onto people as a new tax they dont want to have to pay for it. Sounds reasonable
Take healthcare. Even the most liberal Democrat isn't trying to introduce a NHS-style system in the US. Obama's reforms are all about extending the private insurance to more people. In this country the Tories wouldn't dare try to bring in such a policy.
Apart from a few right-wingers nutters, most of the UK Conservative Party would be Democrats in US terms along with most of Labour, Anyone on the left of the Labour Party who believes in things like nationalisation of industry would be seen a raving Communist.
And there are others who are against "Obamacare" as they believe it should be down to the individual States to manage a healthcare system rather than the Federal government. In fact when Romney was Governor of Massachusetts (a very Democrat voting state) he introduced a state-wide system which provided more comprehensive cover than Obama's system does. Now Romney is against it at the Federal level.
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Obama care isn't even remotely a liberal/socialist policy, all it is doing is extending private health care. But yeah, not wanting others to suffer when they fall on hard times? Oooo you naughty liberal you.
yeah well every country has its quirks
oh okay, thanks. And, just to set the record straight the Republican is not like that AT ALL. Its leans towards conservatism but its definitely not a hate group despite what you might read on here.
Also, we don't like big government and don't want the government to get in our business. Alot of Republicans are probably more Libertarian than anything. I lean that way too.
As for low taxes - they are for them as long as they can spend the money on weaponry and "pork" for the folks at home. The average US Bill is farcical as you find spending for some personal boondoggle in a major defence Bill which is there to get the Senator "on side" - in effect out and out bribery
Unless it can shake off the tea party it will certainly end up that way.
No use trying to use logic here Captain, they would rather spend more money if it meant the government kept its nose out. Private health care companies = Big Business = Good.
If you have missed the liberal bias on DS, you've done more than blinked, I think you are totally asleep.:eek:
From US perspective I can fully see why it would appear that way, given the US is generally more right wing than the UK but this is predominantly a UK website with the vast majority of forum members from the UK.
But from a UK perspective DS isn't as left wing biased as many people (even in the UK) seem to think, the constant threads bashing Muslims, benefit/welfare claimants etc. are testament to that.
Really?? :eek: How come? because i seem to spend most of my time arguing that no, the middle east does not deserve to get the shit bombed out of it, not all muslims are evil, not everyone who is unemployed is work shy, being gay is natural, the list goes on.
Maybe you and i have different ideas on what makes a liberal
Indeed, the US actually spends more of it's GDP on healthcare than any other nation, we don't even make the top ten:
http://247wallst.com/2012/03/29/countries-that-spend-the-most-on-health-care/
I don't think it has anything to do with money, like i said before I think some folks are quite happy that the US pays so much out in health care, as long as there is not even the slightest suggestion on government interference they are happy to pay out the nose for it.
Pork barrelling is hardly a uniquely Republican trait though.
Strange way to pass laws and that's from a country where they occasionally make paper hats for some procedural oddity I can't remember.
Can't believe I'm defending Republicans itt. Internet's a strange place.
Am presuming that was aimed at Den rather than moi?
Spot on. That's how I've always viewed it.