Scottish independence: let's have an honest debate (P3)

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  • HammyHammy Posts: 4,837
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  • saywhatyouseesaywhatyousee Posts: 787
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    Trident costs, wait for it............0.1 percent of the UK budget but aim stand to be corrected.

    Don't we need to replace that though....?

    I've already found a place on the web that disagrees with that figure by trebling it although that's still 0.3%. Who knows though, it's really hard to know the truth with all these figures flying around. I wish there was someplace neutral to go where you could get the real facts....
  • BillyJamesTBillyJamesT Posts: 2,934
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    Trident costs, wait for it............0.1 percent of the UK budget but aim stand to be corrected.

    Everything seems so easily manageable to the ultra flexible UK economy, Trident? zilch, losing Scotland? Nothing, taking on Scotland's share of the debt? Peanuts, funding all your infrastructure projects on your own? A breeze, HOL, Parliament, all those sick expenses and wage bill? A walk I the park, Welfare and everything else? Totally under control. The UK is far more worried about how you poor Scots will manage without mummy to hold your hand. This can only mean that to accumulate such a vast debt is gross mismanagement of a hitherto unheard-of magnitude. Why are we better together, pooling resources isn't working, we're not stronger together, Why are we better together?
  • momma11momma11 Posts: 3,843
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    Hammy wrote: »

    That's quite good.. I like this part ,

    " we're no putting up a border , we're just putting our house in order "

    :D
  • FrankieFixerFrankieFixer Posts: 11,530
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    Hammy wrote: »

    Only if you suffered a massive head trauma would those videos constitute superb. If you like that sort of tuneless crap the x-factor is still in its early auditions for talentless morons stage. It's on every Saturday night.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 1,283
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    duplicate.
  • AbewestAbewest Posts: 3,017
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    trevgo wrote: »
    Anyone have any idea how much it will cost to set up a Scottish Foreign Office and operate a global network of embassies?

    Probably about a fiver, if the rest of the SNP'S costings are any indicator.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 1,283
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    thms wrote: »
    Tesco themselves confirming there is no truth in the leaflets that say Tesco will increase their prices by 16% if Scotland leaves the UK.

    however the chief executive of tesco said as a gesture of good will, he will offer a reduction in the sale of haggis. plus a 100 club card points. surely that is another reason to vote YES. 'every little helps.'
  • AshbourneAshbourne Posts: 3,036
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    Hammy wrote: »

    Love that!
  • BillyJamesTBillyJamesT Posts: 2,934
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    So pointing out the truth is desperate? Not every is willing to be brainwashed and bury their head in the sand...

    Calling this desperate is the embarrasing thing !

    Lies

    http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-29087393

    In a letter to a customer who had inquired about the claim in the leaflet, Tesco said "I can confirm that this is not true", adding that it had "a great business in Scotland" and would "continue to offer the best prices whatever the outcome of the referendum".

    Tesco said that higher labour and energy costs, along with government levies on certain products such as wine, pushed up some prices in Irish supermarkets.

    But the company insisted that "some items of fresh produce, meats and other household items" were actually cheaper in Tesco's stores in Ireland than in its stores in the UK.
  • BillyJamesTBillyJamesT Posts: 2,934
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    Only if you suffered a massive head trauma would those videos constitute superb. If you like that sort of tuneless crap the x-factor is still in its early auditions for talentless morons stage. It's on every Saturday night.

    Bah humbug:cry::cry:

    Unionists seem to have completely lost their sense of humour over the last few weeks, can't for the life of me think why.
  • bhoy07bhoy07 Posts: 25,036
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    So Pete Wishart 'missed his flight' so didn't vote in the HoC today alongside Labour and the Lib Dems over the Affordable housing bill that is designed to scrap the bedroom tax for the disabled and those unable to move into smaller accommodation.

    Wonder what Angus Robertson, Angus MacNeill and Stewart Hosie's excuses will be.

    Only 2 SNP MP's bothered to vote.
  • James2001James2001 Posts: 73,367
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    bhoy07 wrote: »
    So Pete Wishart 'missed his flight' so didn't vote in the HoC today alongside Labour and the Lib Dems over the Affordable housing bill that is designed to scrap the bedroom tax for the disabled and those unable to move into smaller accommodation.

    Wonder what Angus Robertson, Angus MacNeill and Stewart Hosie's excuses will be.

    Only 2 SNP MP's bothered to vote.

    Funny how they've been making such a big deal about the bedroom tax, then don't turn up to vote on something that would ease the burden for many. Hopefully more people will wake up to the SNP hypocrisy!
  • thmsthms Posts: 61,000
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    Was there an option to choose Shetlanders?

    if not all,of your information is invalid.

    there was a box for - Other identity only
  • saywhatyouseesaywhatyousee Posts: 787
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    James2001 wrote: »
    Funny how they've been making such a big deal about the bedroom tax, then don't turn up to vote on something that would ease the burden for many. Hopefully more people will wake up to the SNP hypocrisy!

    That sounds like a valid point that would help people make up their mind on whether to vote for the SNP, luckily, I have no such dilemma to ponder, I'm voting for independence.
  • thmsthms Posts: 61,000
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    bhoy07 wrote: »
    So Pete Wishart 'missed his flight' so didn't vote in the HoC today alongside Labour and the Lib Dems over the Affordable housing bill that is designed to scrap the bedroom tax for the disabled and those unable to move into smaller accommodation.

    Wonder what Angus Robertson, Angus MacNeill and Stewart Hosie's excuses will be.

    Only 2 SNP MP's bothered to vote.

    According to a BBC article the coalition government want to prevent the Referendum Bill's Second Reading -

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-29081933

    "And by the time of the Referendum Bill's Second Reading, on 17 October its hopes of success may be forlorn, and the aim will not be so much to pass the legislation as to pin the blame for not passing it squarely on Labour and the Lib Dems."

    http://services.parliament.uk/bills/2014-15/europeanunionreferendum.html

    "A Bill to make provision for the holding of a referendum in the United Kingdom and Gibraltar on the United Kingdom’s membership of the European Union."

    Wonder why? :confused:
  • benjaminibenjamini Posts: 32,066
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    This is the unbiased piece written by Brendan Malone who is "a life long supporter of independence" :D

    http://www.businessforscotland.co.uk/author/brandon-malone/

    Not unbiased. He has his own self interests at heart here, as he is intent on setting Scotland up as an arbitration and dispute resolution centre with himself at the head.
    Would Arbitration come to Scotland if Independant? They would have to offer an awful lot. Very ambitious.

    Agree there are too many domestic Lawyers in Scotland.

    Anyone doing law in Scotland should learn an obscure language. Chinese, Arabic etc.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 49
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    My own view is that oil companies are best sticking to oil (even though they sometimes seem pretty incompetent at organising themselves in their specialist area). In the past when they have diversified it has not been very successful - for example, at one time BP Nutrition was the biggest producer of intensively farmed chickens in Europe - and I think that's using 'nutrition' loosely :)

    It's not clear that they would necessarily be good in renewables.
  • LostFoolLostFool Posts: 90,623
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    bhoy07 wrote: »
    So Pete Wishart 'missed his flight' so didn't vote in the HoC today alongside Labour and the Lib Dems over the Affordable housing bill that is designed to scrap the bedroom tax for the disabled and those unable to move into smaller accommodation.

    Wonder what Angus Robertson, Angus MacNeill and Stewart Hosie's excuses will be.

    Only 2 SNP MP's bothered to vote.

    Apparently even Gordon Brown turned up for the vote!
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 49
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    I notice that you assume the industry will be managed better. From your tag I presume you work in the industry - have you seen any of this miraculous "Ian Wood" fairy dust being sprinkled over the platforms yet?

    Becuase I haven't and I doubt whether any impact will be seen for 3-4 years if it comes at all. The industry would have to spend to save and that is a hard sell when most of the majors are looking to exit the UK.
    Sir Ian is, perhaps, not as universally 'respected' as commentators always describe him. I don't expect to see much happen for a few years - and it will be a while as well before they operators can pull back the damage they've done over the past years in cutting back on maintenance and operation support. They are driven by shortsighted investors.

    Maybe not a universally bad thing that some of the established operators are going - but it is what it is . . . we'll see what happens.
  • fermynfermyn Posts: 2,766
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    I'm really worried now. The gap is closing & I genuinely fear for the future of Scotland & what my child will inherit.

    A few months ago I was certain it would be a resounding no, now the gap is (was) only 6 points.

    It turned into such a hostile & unpleasant event. People at work being dismissed for refusing to remove their political insignia. Isn't this how civil wars used to start?

    What happens if 49% vote one way & 51% the other? Is all that is needed a majority vote no matter how small?

    I admire your honesty, PencilBreath, I'd be worried too. I suspect there are many who share your misgivings - let's hope the narrowing poll margins motivates them to get down to the polling station to vote.
  • iain_stevenson1iain_stevenson1 Posts: 1,349
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    fermyn wrote: »
    I admire your honesty, PencilBreath, I'd be worried too. I suspect there are many who share your misgivings - let's hope the narrowing poll margins motivates them to get down to the polling station to vote.

    Relax..It's going to be so much fun to see what an independent Scotland wil be like and what changes it brings to the rest of the UK.I am so excited !
  • Black SheepBlack Sheep Posts: 15,219
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    Don't we need to replace that though....?

    I've already found a place on the web that disagrees with that figure by trebling it although that's still 0.3%. Who knows though, it's really hard to know the truth with all these figures flying around. I wish there was someplace neutral to go where you could get the real facts....

    UK budget?

    http://www.ukpublicspending.co.uk/breakdown

    Defence spending isn't even in the top three.
  • LostFoolLostFool Posts: 90,623
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    Relax..It's going to be so much fun to see what an independent Scotland wil be like and what changes it brings to the rest of the UK.I am so excited !

    I can think of many words to describe the constitutional chaos it would (not will) cause but "fun" is not one of them.
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