The world has lost a lot of respect for Scotland I can tell you that much for the fact that they've voted themselves in officially as second class citizens. Every proud people would aspire to be an independent nation.
This has nothing got to do with the "**** the Queen" brigade or religion which I suspect the mugs on the streets of Glasgow the other night understood it to be. Scotland would of always been part of the British Isles - a geographical region. The only thing that would have changed would be that power over their lives would have left London and come far closer to home which is a good thing as I believe that local government is the best kind of government regardless of what religion you follow or whether you consider yourself British or not.
And Scotland had such a wonderful opportunity to do this through peaceful means at the ballot box. Someone said earlier in this thread that the Republic voted to leave the Union...really? Is that what they're teaching in English classrooms these days? Dublin was awash with blood for a chance for self-determination.
It seems people were ruled by fear rather than hope in Scotland. Pathetic - considering Scotlands economy would have exploded. They have a claim to tonnes of gold and oil reserves - resources that any country would bite your hand off for the chance to own. There was nothing stopping them from using the Pound Sterling if they abolished their legal tender laws. They could have lowered their corporations tax to attract investment and lowered regulations to attract business. In five years, Scotland could have been Hong Kong 2.0.
But when the world was watching they simply shat themselves.
I think the world will only lose respect for Scotland if Salmond & some of his followers carry on the way they're doing on the TV & social media forums.
The world won't lose respect for Scotland for thinking carefully & deciding that as Salmond had no answers to a number of questions about currency etc, the sensible thing, seeing as there was no Plan b, was to vote No.
I think the world will only lose respect for Scotland if Salmond & some of his followers carry on the way they're doing on the TV & social media forums.
The world won't lose respect for Scotland for thinking carefully & deciding that as Salmond had no answers to a number of questions about currency etc, the sensible thing, seeing as there was no Plan b, was to vote No.
Instead, the world will lose respect for Scotland for not being able to accept the democratic will of its people.
I think the world will only lose respect for Scotland if Salmond & some of his followers carry on the way they're doing on the TV & social media forums.
The world won't lose respect for Scotland for thinking carefully & deciding that as Salmond had no answers to a number of questions about currency etc, the sensible thing, seeing as there was no Plan b, was to vote No.
Vote NO based on a set of cobbled together bribes that will be delivered in a very diluted form, if at all?
I think the best move now is for the SNP to go flat out next year for as many Westminster seats as possible. It shouldn't be too hard when many NO voters realise they were tricked with empty promises Alex Salmond could well end up running for a Westminster seat in the Glasgow area against one of the Labour non-entities with nothing to offer Scotland. He would probably will and lead a much larger group of SNP MPs in the HoC.
So at the next election the choice could be a coalition of either
Cameron + Farage
Milliband + Salmond
If the Libdems somehow avoid annihalation it could even be
Cameron + Farage + Salmond - a very unlikely coalition indeed:D
Considering how many people already seem to be distrusting of Westminster going back on their promises (even though there's no real proof that they are), does any of them seriously think the SNP would have gone through with theirs if it had been a Yes vote? If you think you Westminster politicians are so untrustworthy, why do you seem to think the SNP are a shining example of integrity? Especially as they would have needed aggreement from the Westminster politicians they distrust so much to deliver much of what they promised.
Vote NO based on a set of cobbled together bribes that will be delivered in a very diluted form, if at all?
So it's nothing to do with Salmond having no serious answers to questions about Scotland's currency etc & just saying Scaremongering when he was asked difficult questions ?
I think some in the SNP are even more deluded than they claim the No voters are !
So it's nothing to do with Salmond having no serious answers to questions about Scotland's currency etc & just saying Scaremongering when he was asked difficult questions ?
I think some in the SNP are even more deluded than they claim the No voters are !
Perhaps, but I believe that a fair few "undecided" may well have been swayed to the No side following the "pledge" made by the 3 amigos.
It's not the people who voted Yes who will be the most angry.
Perhaps, but I believe that a fair few "undecided" may well have been swayed to the No side following the "pledge" made by the 3 amigos.
It's not the people who voted Yes who will be the most angry.
I agree. I was always going to vote no but was incredibly angry at the offer at the 11th hour as a knee jerk reaction to one rogue poll. Those who were persuaded by that offer, very few in my opinion will indeed be incandescent.
Considering how many people already seem to be distrusting of Westminster going back on their promises (even though there's no real proof that they are), does any of them seriously think the SNP would have gone through with theirs if it had been a Yes vote? If you think you Westminster politicians are so untrustworthy, why do you seem to think the SNP are a shining example of integrity? Especially as they would have needed aggreement from the Westminster politicians they distrust so much to deliver much of what they promised.
Some of Cameron's own MPs don't think he should have made ANY promises.
This is what Salmond must have been taking about this morning on Sky then. I knew he was spouting some crap about not needing to win a referendum to declare a country independent if he had enough SNP msp's in power.
Which would be totally illegal.
Salmond is so dangerous. Thank goodness Scotland voted no. They have had a very lucky escape.
Yes Rangers fans. That's how they always behave. You keep saying you live in Glasgow but I'm sorry to say it sounds like you've never been there...
one of the most stunning locations for a golf course ever
haven't played the course the ryder cup is being played on but played the others a few years ago , one of my mates was the facilities manager there a few years ago
Still OT, guy next door has been seconded there from St Andrews where he works usually. He's been leaving at 4:30 every day for the last few weeks helping to get the place ready.
Perhaps, but I believe that a fair few "undecided" may well have been swayed to the No side following the "pledge" made by the 3 amigos.
It's not the people who voted Yes who will be the most angry.
As I said on another thread, I'm simply not convinced that 400,000 Scots voted No because of this vow. A few thousand maybe but not near enough to make the difference that Salmond tries to make out.
This coupled with clearly blaming Old folk is Salmonds way of coping with the fact that he and his party blew it big style.
One last thing for all of the Yes supporters here. Since last year when I have mentioned that Salmond was heading the Yes campaign I've been consistently told it's not about him and he didn't lead it.
Well, everyone should watch that Sky interview from this morning. He stated that he lead and was at the head of the campaign.
I'm sure the No voters won't be any more or less angry as what we will get will be more secure than the vacuous promises of the last few months.
As I said on another thread, I'm simply not convinced that 400,000 Scots voted No because of this vow. A few thousand maybe but not near enough to make the difference that Salmond tries to make out.
This coupled with clearly blaming Old folk is Salmonds way of coping with the fact that he and his party blew it big style.
One last thing for all of the Yes supporters here. Since last year when I have mentioned that Salmond was heading the Yes campaign I've been consistently told it's not about him and he didn't lead it.
Well, everyone should watch that Sky interview from this morning. He stated that he lead and was at the head of the campaign.
I'm sure the No voters won't be any more or less angry as what we will get will be more secure than the vacuous promises of the last few months.
I wonder if you will be saying that next time the banks need bailing out. Not long to wait.
As I said on another thread, I'm simply not convinced that 400,000 Scots voted No because of this vow. A few thousand maybe but not near enough to make the difference that Salmond tries to make out.
This coupled with clearly blaming Old folk is Salmonds way of coping with the fact that he and his party blew it big style.
One last thing for all of the Yes supporters here. Since last year when I have mentioned that Salmond was heading the Yes campaign I've been consistently told it's not about him and he didn't lead it.
Well, everyone should watch that Sky interview from this morning. He stated that he lead and was at the head of the campaign.
I'm sure the No voters won't be any more or less angry as what we will get will be more secure than the vacuous promises of the last few months.
Why are the Yes voters deciding that they are entitled to speak on behalf of the majority No voters ? How many of the No voters were content with the status quo prior to the referendum, their opinion doesn't seem to get heard at all.
Salmond is coming across as a bitter old political loser.
Scotland signed away it's right to make decisions for itself and voted to have another country do it for them...
The more you read that, the more bizarre it becomes.
Or maybe Scotland sees the UK as their country and considers themselves British more than they do Scottish as they are not fussed about nationalism and borders.
Or maybe Scotland sees the UK as their country and considers themselves British more than they do Scottish as they are not fussed about nationalism and borders.
Totally irrelevant.
It was nothing about borders or being British.
This referendum was about making local government and opposing central government.
It beggars belief. People out there actually voted for unaccountable centralisation.
Scottish independence has been a topic of conversation for all my life. My father was a huge supporter of Home Rule for Scotland as it was known in the 50s. It has had many guises , self determination, independence etc. it has had a core of passionate idealists and supporters for 80 years. What was the breakthrough? When it became not about idealism but about nationalism. Salmonds legacy was to appeal to the narrow entrenched tribal nationalism and the argument was divisive and ultimately lost.
Scotland signed away it's right to make decisions for itself and voted to have another country do it for them...
The more you read that, the more bizarre it becomes.
Today, you have created a thread that the UK should become a republic.
You then told us that you are not Scottish, and that the English should be included in a referendum to give Scotland her independence.
Now you are trying to put the Scots down with the above statement.
I don't know where you come from, but I have noticed that you are new to these forums. All of this leads me to conclude that you are quite simply a troll.
Today, you have created a thread that the UK should become a republic.
You then told us that you are not Scottish, and that the English should be included in a referendum to give Scotland her independence.
Now you are trying to put the Scots down with the above statement.
I don't know where you come from, but I have noticed that you are new to these forums. All of this leads me to conclude that you are quite simply a troll.
I can clearly see that humour is lost on you with regards to some posts.
Sad when people resort to labeling others as "trolls" simply because they don't like what they're saying.
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I think the world will only lose respect for Scotland if Salmond & some of his followers carry on the way they're doing on the TV & social media forums.
The world won't lose respect for Scotland for thinking carefully & deciding that as Salmond had no answers to a number of questions about currency etc, the sensible thing, seeing as there was no Plan b, was to vote No.
Instead, the world will lose respect for Scotland for not being able to accept the democratic will of its people.
Vote NO based on a set of cobbled together bribes that will be delivered in a very diluted form, if at all?
I think the best move now is for the SNP to go flat out next year for as many Westminster seats as possible. It shouldn't be too hard when many NO voters realise they were tricked with empty promises Alex Salmond could well end up running for a Westminster seat in the Glasgow area against one of the Labour non-entities with nothing to offer Scotland. He would probably will and lead a much larger group of SNP MPs in the HoC.
So at the next election the choice could be a coalition of either
Cameron + Farage
Milliband + Salmond
If the Libdems somehow avoid annihalation it could even be
Cameron + Farage + Salmond - a very unlikely coalition indeed:D
The "Sovereign will" please ;-)
So it's nothing to do with Salmond having no serious answers to questions about Scotland's currency etc & just saying Scaremongering when he was asked difficult questions ?
I think some in the SNP are even more deluded than they claim the No voters are !
Perhaps, but I believe that a fair few "undecided" may well have been swayed to the No side following the "pledge" made by the 3 amigos.
It's not the people who voted Yes who will be the most angry.
I agree. I was always going to vote no but was incredibly angry at the offer at the 11th hour as a knee jerk reaction to one rogue poll. Those who were persuaded by that offer, very few in my opinion will indeed be incandescent.
Some of Cameron's own MPs don't think he should have made ANY promises.
The story behind the riot , quite an eye-opener .
http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/referendum-news/george-square-trouble-the-night-our-readers-became-reporters.1411314286
Still OT, guy next door has been seconded there from St Andrews where he works usually. He's been leaving at 4:30 every day for the last few weeks helping to get the place ready.
He says it's looking good.
I heard that Mr Sillars might be rejoining the SNP.
As I said on another thread, I'm simply not convinced that 400,000 Scots voted No because of this vow. A few thousand maybe but not near enough to make the difference that Salmond tries to make out.
This coupled with clearly blaming Old folk is Salmonds way of coping with the fact that he and his party blew it big style.
One last thing for all of the Yes supporters here. Since last year when I have mentioned that Salmond was heading the Yes campaign I've been consistently told it's not about him and he didn't lead it.
Well, everyone should watch that Sky interview from this morning. He stated that he lead and was at the head of the campaign.
I'm sure the No voters won't be any more or less angry as what we will get will be more secure than the vacuous promises of the last few months.
I wonder if you will be saying that next time the banks need bailing out. Not long to wait.
Why are the Yes voters deciding that they are entitled to speak on behalf of the majority No voters ? How many of the No voters were content with the status quo prior to the referendum, their opinion doesn't seem to get heard at all.
Salmond is coming across as a bitter old political loser.
The more you read that, the more bizarre it becomes.
Or maybe Scotland sees the UK as their country and considers themselves British more than they do Scottish as they are not fussed about nationalism and borders.
Totally irrelevant.
It was nothing about borders or being British.
This referendum was about making local government and opposing central government.
It beggars belief. People out there actually voted for unaccountable centralisation.
Was it? I thought it was about wanting to become an independent country. Still, you live and learn.
Well the beloved Alex is indeed a huge lover of centralisation .
Scotland would still be a region in the British Isles. This was about making decisions across the road, not hundreds of miles away in London.
Forget the SNP - you don't have to agree with the SNP to see the benefits in having a more localised government.
Today, you have created a thread that the UK should become a republic.
You then told us that you are not Scottish, and that the English should be included in a referendum to give Scotland her independence.
Now you are trying to put the Scots down with the above statement.
I don't know where you come from, but I have noticed that you are new to these forums. All of this leads me to conclude that you are quite simply a troll.
How do you actually know what it was about as you didn't have a vote or live here you can't fully understand what scottish people think and feel.
The SNP government likes a wee bit of centralisation here you know?
I can clearly see that humour is lost on you with regards to some posts.
Sad when people resort to labeling others as "trolls" simply because they don't like what they're saying.