71% of young people YES - 73% of old people NO

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  • AnnsyreAnnsyre Posts: 109,398
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    fefster wrote: »

    Old people know that value of hard work saving pensions and have lifelong experience of budgeting and seeing all sorts of governments come and go. They are cautious and rightly so.
  • MARTYM8MARTYM8 Posts: 44,710
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    Young people have nothing under our current political system so have nothing to lose.

    The elderly have it all relatively in terms of housing, pensions, freebies and more so have lots to lose.

    Pretty much it really!
  • GeneralissimoGeneralissimo Posts: 6,289
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    Or to put it another way, if voting had been restricted to adults the No margin would have been even larger. ;-)
  • Gary_LandyFanGary_LandyFan Posts: 3,824
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    Young people generally aren't that interested in Politics so don't make an informed choice, so it doesn't surprise me that the figure is so high.

    Old people however are far more likely to be interested in Politics and would be more involved in what is going to happen, they have knowledge on the issue and can use that to make an informed choice.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 6,801
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    Ah.. so the 16 and 17 year old's, who, let's be honest, might still have Justin Beiber or Twilight posters on their bedroom wall, voted 71% in favour of yes.

    Interesting.
  • Gary_LandyFanGary_LandyFan Posts: 3,824
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    Or to put it another way, if voting had been restricted to adults the No margin would have been even larger. ;-)

    And this is the reason why Salmond wanted 16 & 17 year olds to be eligible to vote!
  • James2001James2001 Posts: 73,367
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    The whole reason Wee Eck gave the vote to 16 & 17 year olds is because he knew so many of them would vote Yes unquestioningly.
  • grassmarketgrassmarket Posts: 33,010
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    MARTYM8 wrote: »
    Young people have nothing under our current political system so have nothing to lose.
    y!

    Nothing? They are amongst the richest 10% in the world, they get free food, clothing, healthcare, education, entertainment and housing. If they want any more, they have to work for it.
  • lizbetlizbet Posts: 854
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    Or to put it another way, if voting had been restricted to adults the No margin would have been even larger. ;-)

    Yes, and personally and many like me don't think the age should have been dropped to 16 to vote. Many at that age got utterly swept along with the hysteria of it all, they were all copying who their pals were voting for. I know a lot went to a flash mob in Aberdeen last Saturday.

    Of course there is an amount who knew what they were voting for, but even then could they grasp the implications of that YES vote. Heard one girl say she was voting yes, because it looked like yes were going to have the bigger party:o:o
  • MARTYM8MARTYM8 Posts: 44,710
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    Young people generally aren't that interested in Politics so don't make an informed choice, so it doesn't surprise me that the figure is so high.

    Old people however are far more likely to be interested in Politics and would be more involved in what is going to happen, they have knowledge on the issue and can use that to make an informed choice.

    Men were also more likely to vote yes by some margin compared to women - yes were ahead in the final polls amongst men but way behind with women although who knows with the final vote.

    Are you saying men are less informed about financial matters and jobs and the economy than women?

    All this labelling is silly - young people are probably as well educated and informed as the elderly. They just think differently!
  • grassmarketgrassmarket Posts: 33,010
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    MARTYM8 wrote: »

    All this labelling is silly - young people are probably as well educated and informed as the elderly. They just think differently!

    They think differently because they are not paying taxes. Once they start doing that, their opinions will change.
  • UncleLouUncleLou Posts: 2,078
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    Many young people are easly influenced.

    The experienced person saw through all the lies. They knew Scotland wouldnt remain in the EU, of have a currency and that Scots would lose their UK passport and free work and travel in the UK and EU. That prices would rise and jobs would be lost and that a yes vote would be the ruin of Scotland for future generations.

    Or perhaps it was just that the older people are better at maths than many young Scots?
  • Sun Tzu.Sun Tzu. Posts: 19,064
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    Old people are more sensible.
  • lizbetlizbet Posts: 854
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    Then I hear of the 94 year old lady who is blind but walked down a fair bit to the centre of my town, (obviously with help) so that she could vote No as she was proud to be Scottish and British....makes you utter despair of the girl who was voting yes because she thought it would be a better party :confused:
  • GeneralissimoGeneralissimo Posts: 6,289
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    lizbet wrote: »
    Yes, and personally and many like me don't think the age should have been dropped to 16 to vote. Many at that age got utterly swept along with the hysteria of it all, they were all copying who their pals were voting for. I know a lot went to a flash mob in Aberdeen last Saturday.

    Of course there is an amount who knew what they were voting for, but even then could they grasp the implications of that YES vote. Heard one girl say she was voting yes, because it looked like yes were going to have the bigger party:o:o

    A lot of younger voters seemed to think that a Yes vote would have meant the immediate end of poverty in Scotland and a No vote the immediate privatisation of the NHS. They're not in the real world at that age.
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    lizbet wrote: »
    Then I hear of the 94 year old lady who is blind but walked down a fair bit to the centre of my town, (obviously with help) so that she could vote No as she was proud to be Scottish and British....makes you utter despair of the girl who was voting yes because she thought it would be a better party :confused:

    I saw a tweet yesterday saying that there was to be a big party in the town centre of Dundee and that was a good reason to vote yes!
  • lizbetlizbet Posts: 854
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    A lot of younger voters seemed to think that a Yes vote would have meant the immediate end of poverty in Scotland and a No vote the immediate privatisation of the NHS. They're not in the real world at that age.

    Yes, I'd say most I spoke to mentioned food banks privatising NHS and getting rid of the Tories/Westminster and it was on repeat :confused:

    Oh and I forgot...a vision and a fairer Scotland and hope.....all good and fair enough, but it would say to them if our economy crashes hope ain't going to pay my shopping.... They would just shake there heads and think I've no heart .
  • gasheadgashead Posts: 13,804
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    Re. stats; good, that's how it should be. As Churchill wisely observed (I'm paraphrasing), the young think with their hearts, the old with their heads.
  • BelfastGuy125BelfastGuy125 Posts: 7,515
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    People shouldnt be so quick to insult them.

    Important thing here, they are young. They are the future of Scotland. All those old no voters are dying off. It doesn't make Scottish loyalty to the UK in the future seem exactly brighter.
  • lizbetlizbet Posts: 854
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    Mrstim wrote: »
    I saw a tweet yesterday saying that there was to be a big party in the town centre of Dundee and that was a good reason to vote yes!

    Yes that wouldn't surprise me, people like that here too.....Scarily :o. One party that I did hear was cancelled was a party at Strichen Aberdeenshire...Alex Salmonds constituency just down the road from me. We heard this pretty early on well the back of midnight, so it made me a wee bit optimistic ...just a wee bit ... At that point
  • GeneralissimoGeneralissimo Posts: 6,289
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    lizbet wrote: »
    Yes, I'd say most I spoke to mentioned food banks privatising NHS and getting rid of the Tories/Westminster and it was on repeat :confused:

    Oh and I forgot...a vision and a fairer Scotland and hope.....all good and fair enough, but it would say to them if our economy crashes hope ain't going to pay my shopping.... They would just shake there heads and think I've no heart .

    Yeah it does seem like food banks were a huge issue for the younger voters. Although I can't recall too much focus on them in the main campaign itself.
  • lizbetlizbet Posts: 854
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    People shouldnt be so quick to insult them.

    Important thing here, they are young. They are the future of Scotland. All those old no voters are dying off. It doesn't make Scottish loyalty to the UK in the future seem exactly brighter.

    As I said they are not all like that but most of the ones I know of or have heard of were honestly following their mates ...if they were voting yes, then their whole group were.
  • james_killroyjames_killroy Posts: 1,210
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    People shouldnt be so quick to insult them.

    Important thing here, they are young. They are the future of Scotland. All those old no voters are dying off. It doesn't make Scottish loyalty to the UK in the future seem exactly brighter.

    Half of them didn't know what they were doing. You just had to read Twitter to see this and a lot of them were quoted by someone as saying they were voting YES because they wanted a huge party.

    No thought on what the economical effects would have been as they don't pay tax. Once they earn money things become different.
  • wallsterwallster Posts: 17,609
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    Nothing? They are amongst the richest 10% in the world, they get free food, clothing, healthcare, education, entertainment and housing. If they want any more, they have to work for it.

    Yes, but they take it all for granted.
  • GeneralissimoGeneralissimo Posts: 6,289
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    People shouldnt be so quick to insult them.

    Important thing here, they are young. They are the future of Scotland. All those old no voters are dying off. It doesn't make Scottish loyalty to the UK in the future seem exactly brighter.

    Who's insulting them? I was exactly the same at that age, a naive leftist. There's no shame in it.

    I don't think loyalty had too much to do with it, the younger voters seem to have voted Yes more for socialism rather than nationalism.
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