I reckon they'll backtrack on Jonathan King. Wasn't that promise made prior to the Savile revelations. At that time they were also beginning to show Gary Glitter appearances.
I think that's all out the window now.
Can't see the King appearances (where he counted down the American chart in the early 80's editions of TOTP's) being shown. No need to drop the show though. It's easy for them to simply edit that small part out. They have to edit performances every week for the 7.30 show.
If they were to include the King slots while banning DLT, that would really be taking the p-ss!
I reckon King will be edited from the 7:30 show and be kept on for the late screenings if they reach that far, the American chart section wouldn't be a loss anyway.
It does feel like we've missed more than ever this year. We will never be in sync which is why I think they should just show random years rather than playing them in order.
A repost by myself from a thread in "General Discussion" forum.
DLT is no where near the same league as Saville, he was found guilty of one offence but cleared of all others, he was not sent to prison.
Therefore I agree that his editions of TOTP should be re-shown on BBC Four. Even Gary glitter and Jonathan King,convicted paedophiles, once subjected to a repeat ban had the ban lifted and performances shown. Double standards on the BBC's part here.
I think it is more a case of the BBC taking a stance against former employees that have brought the BBC into disrepute no matter how minor the incident.
People just need to accept what happened to Travis and get over it. I'd rather miss a few repeats presented by that self-important bore than have the whole show axed from BBC4 completely
For those that say they would rather repeats continue without DLT, i don't think they know how many editions he features in during the 80's. Coupled with bans on JS editions - quite a few will not be shown.
7 in 1980 (+5 Jimmy Saville editions) = 13 not to be shown
10 in 1981 (+7 Jimmy Saville editions) = 17 not to be shown
8 in 1982 (+4 Jimmy Saville editions) = 12 not to be shown
7 in 1983 (+4 Jimmy Saville editions) = 11 not to be shown
6 in 1984 (+2 Jimmy Saville editions) = 8 not shown
61 in total.
Therefore 1981 will be hardest hit with around a THIRD of available editions not being repeated.
In addition we will not see the 1980 and 1981 Xmas editions again due to Saville appearing in both. We will also not see the Xmas 1982 edition (unless policy changes) as DLT features in this.
A number of off-air recordings of wiped TOTP episodes have been donated to the BBC but as the corporation seems reluctant to broadcast them I keep a lookout for isolated snippets which get smuggled out and find their way onto YouTube.
My view on this is that if the BBC can't be bothered to repeat archive material returned to them - material lost due to their rubbish archive practices - then people holding lost material should not return it to them.
If this material surfaces on Youtube the BBC have lost the right to object as technically the material "does not exist".
Just want to know what sort of viewing figures does the TOTP repeats get? Also is it because of (good) viewing figures that we are moving into 1980 next year?
Taken from a post from another board, the viewing figures for the 1979 episodes broadcast in the week ending 28 September 2014 were: Thursday 19:30pm broadcast: 0.27m, Saturday 22:30 broadcast: 0.26m. I don't know what the normal weekly figures are as TOTP 1979 has only once made the weekly top 10 of the most viewed programmes on BBC4 this year (the first 1979 repeat, shown on 03/01/14, the viewing figure was 0.685m). When the programme has made the top 10 in the past it is normally on figures of around 0.35m to 0.4m. The two viewing figures for the week ending 28 September were if I recall for when the programme returned to BBC4 after a summer break so perhaps viewing figures were lower as some people may have overlooked the return of the repeats.
The regular repeats of The Story Of Top Of The Pops 1979 continue to do well in the rating though - when last repeated on 20/09/14 the programme had a viewing figure of 0.524m. I expect that the weekly viewing figures for TOTP 1979 are probably holding up well and are probably fairly consistent from week to week.
1980 will be hit by a Musicians Union strike for nine weeks, which no doubt persuaded new producer Michael Hurll to scrap the orchestra the following year.
Indeed for all the money spent on an orchestra, occasional backing singers and dancers, the show really needed a shot in the arm as we entered a new decade as surely the performers were more important( even if they mimed most of the time) and TOTP was looking dated and cheap.
The orchestra isn't used much in 79, compared to when the repeats started. I think there became a lesser need for it as music was changing. The only purpose they really served was murdering disco classics!
Taken from a post from another board, the viewing figures for the 1979 episodes broadcast in the week ending 28 September 2014 were: Thursday 19:30pm broadcast: 0.27m, Saturday 22:30 broadcast: 0.26m. I don't know what the normal weekly figures are as TOTP 1979 has only once made the weekly top 10 of the most viewed programmes on BBC4 this year (the first 1979 repeat, shown on 03/01/14, the viewing figure was 0.685m). When the programme has made the top 10 in the past it is normally on figures of around 0.35m to 0.4m. The two viewing figures for the week ending 28 September were if I recall for when the programme returned to BBC4 after a summer break so perhaps viewing figures were lower as some people may have overlooked the return of the repeats.
The regular repeats of The Story Of Top Of The Pops 1979 continue to do well in the rating though - when last repeated on 20/09/14 the programme had a viewing figure of 0.524m. I expect that the weekly viewing figures for TOTP 1979 are probably holding up well and are probably fairly consistent from week to week.
The viewing figures actually look quite good. I was expecting worse. I see the compilation programmes do way better though. The Big hits TOTP (1964 TO 1975) compilation got 0.815m last month which is excellent.
A repost by myself from a thread in "General Discussion" forum.
Actually, having seen the 1981 xmas episode on YouTube, it is presented by several Radio 1 DJs of the era. JS presents the opening and closing links and DLT does just one link into Godley and Creme. The total length of these 3 links is probably no more than 1 minute long and could easily be edited out of the show.
As for the 1980 xmas episode, that features JS on every single link with Peter Powell. So it's a safe bet that one ain't gonna be shown!
My view on this is that if the BBC can't be bothered to repeat archive material returned to them - material lost due to their rubbish archive practices - then people holding lost material should not return it to them.
If this material surfaces on Youtube the BBC have lost the right to object as technically the material "does not exist".
The best hope is that the material-as complete TOPTs-does surface on You Tube
The orchestra isn't used much in 79, compared to when the repeats started. I think there became a lesser need for it as music was changing. The only purpose they really served was murdering disco classics!
Was the orchestra still hired each week, utilised or not, or just brought in as and when required?
The orchestra isn't used much in 79, compared to when the repeats started. I think there became a lesser need for it as music was changing. The only purpose they really served was murdering disco classics!
True to a degree, although the last thing i desire is for Top Of The Pops to resemble some kind of video jukebox, which i think it began to by the second half of the eighties. I'd go as far as having the preference to forfeit some MTV inspired type videos, for just a touch of live spontaneity, providing perhaps it wasn't also an example of the BBC orchestra at their very worst (had they still been around). There's a huge distance appearing by the mid eighties between the artist, and the viewer, and sort of very impersonal at that, with pop existing primarily as a kind of disposable, and extremely glossy form of salesmanship. Back in 1979, things were still relatively simple, and pretty direct, whether the artists were miming or not, and still pretty free of surface clutter, musically, and visually. Subtlety was still pretty evident. I really don't get people preferring the Michael Hurll era Top Of The Pops at all, with all the excess of surface gloss, and so very little substance, unless those years evoke some form of nostalgia, in them.
1980 was really the final year in pop where the music overwhelmingly still possessed a degree of gravitas, and still had plenty of room to breathe, without the music executives requiring everything to dumbed down, to fit into some type of ultra commercialised packaged format. Patience, certainly by 1984, was not a virtue considered by the music executives, with regards to the listening/viewing public. Instant accessiblity became the key directive, as the general music scene began to sound much more watered down and obvious, and a whole lot more bland sounding. It was, in part, the beginning of the power ballad, and anthemic type pop, on truly a grand scale.
Has anybody been watching BBC4 comedy Detectorists? Let me quote from the Telegraph review ...
Detectorists (BBC Four) is about .............. two metal detectorists – not detectors, as we learnt in episode one – who wander the fields of Essex searching for Saxon burial mounds..............
Last night’s opening sequence had Andy excitedly digging up some potential treasure, only to find it was a metal “Jim Fixed it for Me” badge. As well as a daring gag for a BBC comedy .............
Just a thought, but I wonder if it's not context that is at least part of the reasoning behind inconsistent bans?
Maybe they think 'Footballer playing a match or actor playing a pub landlord doesn't look the same as someone convicted of underage offenses surrounded by teenage girls'.
Just a thought, but I wonder if it's not context that is at least part of the reasoning behind inconsistent bans?
Maybe they think 'Footballer playing a match or actor playing a pub landlord doesn't look the same as someone convicted of underage offenses surrounded by teenage girls'.
DLT wasn't convicted (or arrested) for anything underage, was he? But remembering one of his episodes that was shown before his arrest - after a Legs & Co performance he came out behind them and pretended to grope their backsides - I suppose any more of that wouldn't look too good in the circumstances...
Can't believe how many episodes we won't see in 1981, and the xmas specials must be shown even if they need to be edited, I can't understand why they haven't done this yet.
DLT wasn't convicted (or arrested) for anything underage, was he? But remembering one of his episodes that was shown before his arrest - after a Legs & Co performance he came out behind them and pretended to grope their backsides - I suppose any more of that wouldn't look too good in the circumstances...
He was cleared of sexually assaulting a 15 year old girl.
There is hypocrisy everywhere when it comes to convicted actors, pop stars, sports people appearing on TV. The BBC have made their decision regarding DLT. Some might not like it. But the decision has been made. Can we just move on now.
Imagine if they pulled Mike Reid's episodes because of his UKIP song. A complete overreaction about his song, I doubt anyone has been offended just the media need something to write about. If anyone is to blame for the PC world we live in, it is the newspapers.
Just a thought, but I wonder if it's not context that is at least part of the reasoning behind inconsistent bans?
Maybe they think 'Footballer playing a match or actor playing a pub landlord doesn't look the same as someone convicted of underage offenses surrounded by teenage girls'.
DLT was convicted of no such thing. In fact, his conviction is in fact dubious IMO considering the "victim" (25 years old at the time of the event) gave a totally different account of events in a podcast she made a few years back.
There is hypocrisy everywhere when it comes to convicted actors, pop stars, sports people appearing on TV. The BBC have made their decision regarding DLT. Some might not like it. But the decision has been made. Can we just move on now.
DLT was given a three month sentence suspended for two years. This means that the BBC in theory has absolutely NO GROUNDS for blocking TOTP for which he presented from 28th September 2016 onwards. DLT would have served his time "on suspension" for his sentence by that date.
DLT would be well within his rights to complain to the BBC that he is being unfairly treated after September 2016 and we may get his editions back on screen then. Jonathan King (no matter what you think of him) did this after he was continuing to be "airbrushed" by the BBC despite him serving time for the crimes he committed.
If the BBC upholds the blocking of his repeats after September 2016 they are discriminating against him for a past crime for which he was given a suspended sentence for.
There is hypocrisy everywhere when it comes to convicted actors, pop stars, sports people appearing on TV. The BBC have made their decision regarding DLT. Some might not like it. But the decision has been made. Can we just move on now.
Move on where? Your request to move on has been denied.:p
DLT was convicted of no such thing. In fact, his conviction is in fact dubious IMO considering the "victim" (25 years old at the time of the event) gave a totally different account of events in a podcast she made a few years back.
Would you kindly send me in private the details of the podcast to which you are referring, many thanks. While not feeling it is appropriate to comment in too much detail I do know that many of Dave's friends and colleagues have serious concerns about the safety of the recent outcome on the one single charge that he was not cleared of, in which 2 people considered him not guilty after deliberating.
The BBC has diminished itself greatly through its own mismanagement in recent years, and is a shadow of its former self, especially BBC1. I am a huge fan of BBC4 however which has gained a certain pedigree for broadcasting programming for music lovers, which of course includes the glory days of Top Of The Pops during the 1970's. Infact the programme has managed to throw up so many glaring inconsistencies during its re-showings regarding many individuals that originally appeared. The chart stars of the day would often behave a great deal worse than any BBC presenter on the show rest assured, and many examples could be cited of some very big artists having to be told off by production like naughty schoolkids for misdemeanors. The corporation has really got itself in a bind when it will gladly show a film of Sex Pistol Mr Vicious riding around on a motorbike to their latest hit record on Top Of The Pops which I believe happened in the summer, when it was widely accepted that the man had only a few weeks earlier murdered his girlfriend. Contextualising an acceptance to broadcast a presumed murderer while at the same time deeming to erase Dave for all time is extremely problematic in my opinion.
Would you kindly send me in private the details of the podcast to which you are referring, many thanks. While not feeling it is appropriate to comment in too much detail I do know that many of Dave's friends and colleagues have serious concerns about the safety of the recent outcome on the one single charge that he was not cleared of, in which 2 people considered him not guilty after deliberating.
The BBC has diminished itself greatly through its own mismanagement in recent years, and is a shadow of its former self, especially BBC1. I am a huge fan of BBC4 however which has gained a certain pedigree for broadcasting programming for music lovers, which of course includes the glory days of Top Of The Pops during the 1970's. Infact the programme has managed to throw up so many glaring inconsistencies during its re-showings regarding many individuals that originally appeared. The chart stars of the day would often behave a great deal worse than any BBC presenter on the show rest assured, and many examples could be cited of some very big artists having to be told off by production like naughty schoolkids for misdemeanors. The corporation has really got itself in a bind when it will gladly show a film of Sex Pistol Mr Vicious riding around on a motorbike to their latest hit record on Top Of The Pops which I believe happened in the summer, when it was widely accepted that the man had only a few weeks earlier murdered his girlfriend. Contextualising an acceptance to broadcast a presumed murderer while at the same time deeming to erase Dave for all time is extremely problematic in my opinion.
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I reckon King will be edited from the 7:30 show and be kept on for the late screenings if they reach that far, the American chart section wouldn't be a loss anyway.
A repost by myself from a thread in "General Discussion" forum.
My view on this is that if the BBC can't be bothered to repeat archive material returned to them - material lost due to their rubbish archive practices - then people holding lost material should not return it to them.
If this material surfaces on Youtube the BBC have lost the right to object as technically the material "does not exist".
The regular repeats of The Story Of Top Of The Pops 1979 continue to do well in the rating though - when last repeated on 20/09/14 the programme had a viewing figure of 0.524m. I expect that the weekly viewing figures for TOTP 1979 are probably holding up well and are probably fairly consistent from week to week.
The orchestra isn't used much in 79, compared to when the repeats started. I think there became a lesser need for it as music was changing. The only purpose they really served was murdering disco classics!
The viewing figures actually look quite good. I was expecting worse. I see the compilation programmes do way better though. The Big hits TOTP (1964 TO 1975) compilation got 0.815m last month which is excellent.
Actually, having seen the 1981 xmas episode on YouTube, it is presented by several Radio 1 DJs of the era. JS presents the opening and closing links and DLT does just one link into Godley and Creme. The total length of these 3 links is probably no more than 1 minute long and could easily be edited out of the show.
As for the 1980 xmas episode, that features JS on every single link with Peter Powell. So it's a safe bet that one ain't gonna be shown!
The best hope is that the material-as complete TOPTs-does surface on You Tube
Was the orchestra still hired each week, utilised or not, or just brought in as and when required?
True to a degree, although the last thing i desire is for Top Of The Pops to resemble some kind of video jukebox, which i think it began to by the second half of the eighties. I'd go as far as having the preference to forfeit some MTV inspired type videos, for just a touch of live spontaneity, providing perhaps it wasn't also an example of the BBC orchestra at their very worst (had they still been around). There's a huge distance appearing by the mid eighties between the artist, and the viewer, and sort of very impersonal at that, with pop existing primarily as a kind of disposable, and extremely glossy form of salesmanship. Back in 1979, things were still relatively simple, and pretty direct, whether the artists were miming or not, and still pretty free of surface clutter, musically, and visually. Subtlety was still pretty evident. I really don't get people preferring the Michael Hurll era Top Of The Pops at all, with all the excess of surface gloss, and so very little substance, unless those years evoke some form of nostalgia, in them.
1980 was really the final year in pop where the music overwhelmingly still possessed a degree of gravitas, and still had plenty of room to breathe, without the music executives requiring everything to dumbed down, to fit into some type of ultra commercialised packaged format. Patience, certainly by 1984, was not a virtue considered by the music executives, with regards to the listening/viewing public. Instant accessiblity became the key directive, as the general music scene began to sound much more watered down and obvious, and a whole lot more bland sounding. It was, in part, the beginning of the power ballad, and anthemic type pop, on truly a grand scale.
Detectorists (BBC Four) is about .............. two metal detectorists – not detectors, as we learnt in episode one – who wander the fields of Essex searching for Saxon burial mounds..............
Last night’s opening sequence had Andy excitedly digging up some potential treasure, only to find it was a metal “Jim Fixed it for Me” badge. As well as a daring gag for a BBC comedy .............
I trust the BBC will therefore refuse to show Sheffield United games featuring convicted sex offender Ched Evans during The Football League Show?
Maybe they think 'Footballer playing a match or actor playing a pub landlord doesn't look the same as someone convicted of underage offenses surrounded by teenage girls'.
DLT wasn't convicted (or arrested) for anything underage, was he? But remembering one of his episodes that was shown before his arrest - after a Legs & Co performance he came out behind them and pretended to grope their backsides - I suppose any more of that wouldn't look too good in the circumstances...
He was cleared of sexually assaulting a 15 year old girl.
Doing a song in a cod Jamaican accent bit of a no no, let alone supporting Ukip!
DLT was given a three month sentence suspended for two years. This means that the BBC in theory has absolutely NO GROUNDS for blocking TOTP for which he presented from 28th September 2016 onwards. DLT would have served his time "on suspension" for his sentence by that date.
DLT would be well within his rights to complain to the BBC that he is being unfairly treated after September 2016 and we may get his editions back on screen then. Jonathan King (no matter what you think of him) did this after he was continuing to be "airbrushed" by the BBC despite him serving time for the crimes he committed.
If the BBC upholds the blocking of his repeats after September 2016 they are discriminating against him for a past crime for which he was given a suspended sentence for.
Would you kindly send me in private the details of the podcast to which you are referring, many thanks. While not feeling it is appropriate to comment in too much detail I do know that many of Dave's friends and colleagues have serious concerns about the safety of the recent outcome on the one single charge that he was not cleared of, in which 2 people considered him not guilty after deliberating.
The BBC has diminished itself greatly through its own mismanagement in recent years, and is a shadow of its former self, especially BBC1. I am a huge fan of BBC4 however which has gained a certain pedigree for broadcasting programming for music lovers, which of course includes the glory days of Top Of The Pops during the 1970's. Infact the programme has managed to throw up so many glaring inconsistencies during its re-showings regarding many individuals that originally appeared. The chart stars of the day would often behave a great deal worse than any BBC presenter on the show rest assured, and many examples could be cited of some very big artists having to be told off by production like naughty schoolkids for misdemeanors. The corporation has really got itself in a bind when it will gladly show a film of Sex Pistol Mr Vicious riding around on a motorbike to their latest hit record on Top Of The Pops which I believe happened in the summer, when it was widely accepted that the man had only a few weeks earlier murdered his girlfriend. Contextualising an acceptance to broadcast a presumed murderer while at the same time deeming to erase Dave for all time is extremely problematic in my opinion.