I think that the whole point of them being there is that they may help someone who doesn't normally have one with them.
I'm lapsed now, but I grew up as Catholic and its not like you can just pick up a bible without any direction and turn to something reassuring...... (or I can't anyway)
The Gideon's also give bibles out in schools and things, again, same thing applies - I would never be 'offended' but as an atheist it makes me feel just a little uncomfortable.
I'm lapsed now, but I grew up as Catholic and its not like you can just pick up a bible without any direction and turn to something reassuring...... (or I can't anyway)
The Gideon Bibles, as far as I'm aware, have a list of passages in the contents pages for certain things eg. loneliness (quite possible to feel that way in a hotel bedroom), so those sorts of Bibles are aimed at people that don't know it.
Loads of people seem to be saying that these Bibles are there for those that left theirs at home. They aren't! They are aimed at people that wouldn't normally carry one.
Surely someone who, for whatever reason, is staying in a hotel room and feeling utterly miserable and alone, but gets some comfort from reading a few passages from the Bible that's left in the room, should get that respite from whatever it is that's getting them down?
The Gideon Bibles, as far as I'm aware, have a list of passages in the contents pages for certain things eg. loneliness (quite possible to feel that way in a hotel bedroom), so those sorts of Bibles are aimed at people that don't know it.
Ah, that makes more sense. Its a weighty tome without a handy "if you're feeling x, turn to y" list
Surely someone who, for whatever reason, is staying in a hotel room and feeling utterly miserable and alone, but gets some comfort from reading a few passages from the Bible that's left in the room, should get that respite from whatever it is that's getting them down?
Surely someone who, for whatever reason, is staying in a hotel room and feeling utterly miserable and alone, but gets some comfort from reading a few passages from the Bible that's left in the room, should get that respite from whatever it is that's getting them down?
If someone is prone to feeling so utterly miserable and alone because they happen to be staying away from home for one night *, and the only way they can find any comfort is to actually read a bible, that person really really needs to be carrying their own copy!
Most people have the foresight to take a novel, buy a magazine, pack a sudoku book, buy a newspaper, etc. etc if they're they're going to be on their own and will have some time to kill (assuming the TV, radio, Wi-Fi access which is usually provided isn't enough), or they simply phone someone to have a chat. Do people who are particularly religious not have the gift of forward planning?
* If they're staying away for two nights, there's a simple answer. Buy a bible the next day!
We should be, but were not. Cameron, Iain Duncan Smith and others publicly declare their assertions that this is a Christian country, their policies are a "moral crusade" in the name of Christianity and still allow a connection between church and state. A secular state is what we should be, but to say the UK is a secular state is to ignore the ideologies of those currently in power and opposition (Clegg aside, but then the Lib Dems don't figure in the coalition any more and won't likely figure as an existing entity come May 2015).
Good move by Travelodge and I hope others follow suit. Sadly, it's already been exploited by xenophobes to declare the takeover of the UK by Islam. I just shake my head at such ridiculous rhetoric and right wing tabloid bait.
As ive just posted in the trival annoyance thread, i wish hospitals would throw them out.
We clean each bed and bed space throughoughly to remove germs and bacteria yet leave behind a manky bible in each locker. We cant clean them so they just fester. Some of them look like theyve been there since the 90s and i dread to think what would happen if they were tested with one of those microbe detectors.
The only christian patients we have had in bring their own bibles. Theres no need to keep hospital ones.
Having worked in hospitals, I have thrown them out - not only because of the infection control risk, but because of the content of such a vile book. Added to this, I have thrown religious folk off wards when they have attempted to proselytize to patients - I would do it again as well.
Having worked in hospitals, I have thrown them out - not only because of the infection control risk, but because of the content of such a vile book. Added to this, I have thrown religious folk off wards when they have attempted to proselytize to patients - I would do it again as well.
Check out Mr Edgy here. That's some pretty fanatical intolerance your displaying yourself.
Check out Mr Edgy here. That's some pretty fanatical intolerance your displaying yourself.
By chucking out bacteria riddled fiction and not allowing vicars to preach to vulnerable patients? Hardly fanatical, but don't let that affect your opinion.
Does a humanist wedding differ from a normal non-religious wedding?
In this case it did I suppose in that the readings were very definitely based on humanist philosophy. In general though I'd say it would be similar to a regular civil wedding.
By chucking out bacteria riddled fiction and not allowing vicars to preach to vulnerable patients? Hardly fanatical, but don't let that affect your opinion.
I can always tell when someone has an axe to grind. What that does is allows me to disregard their viewpoints and listen to a more reasonable and dare I say unbiased opinion not based on what appears to be pent up anger.
The point about bacteria has some validity so I assume you throw out all books and magazines brought in or owned by the patients; or is it just bibles that are 'riddled' with the little organisms?
I'd say the person proselytizing is slightly more fanatical.
I agree, people should be safe in hospital, they are vulnerable. My aunt ended up being converted to JWs in hospital, and she refused treatment. She would have died anyway, but we all felt sad she died quicker.
I can always tell when someone has an axe to grind.
Judging by your post history, you assume everyone has an axe to grind, apart from you.
What that does is allows me to disregard their viewpoints and listen to a more reasonable and dare I say unbiased opinion not based on what appears to be pent up anger.
If this were true, you wouldn't feel the need to reply but unfortunately you do.
The point about bacteria has some validity so I assume you throw out all books and magazines brought in or owned by the patients; or is it just bibles that are 'riddled' with the little organisms?
I know it has validity. I do, indeed, throw them all away. However, as the previous poster has stated these bibles have been there longer than things brought in by patients - not that it matters, they all go into the black bag regardless.
I've always thought in this day and age it's odd that virtually every hotel room has a bible.
The tone of the article is interesting as well - again it seems to work on the assumption that the reader (and everybody) believes in a God and finds comfort in reading religious texts..
I'm amazed it could cause any fuss.
Genuinely think it is sad that they are removing Bibles from the hotel room.
I know it has validity. I do, indeed, throw them all away. However, as the previous poster has stated these bibles have been there longer than things brought in by patients - not that it matters, they all go into the black bag regardless.
OK then! What happens to the poor souls who want to read a Bible?
Then,
Firstly, do you ask the patient if they want the religious person removed before you "throw them out"?
Secondly, do you allow patients to read their magazines before you throw them out?
Thirdly how do you cope with the germ infested library trolley? Or do you throw the volunteers and their trolley out too?:o
As for the OP it doesn't bother me but may bother someone somewhere?:D
Judging by your post history, you assume everyone has an axe to grind, apart from you.
If this were true, you wouldn't feel the need to reply but unfortunately you do.
I know it has validity. I do, indeed, throw them all away. However, as the previous poster has stated these bibles have been there longer than things brought in by patients - not that it matters, they all go into the black bag regardless.
I must say it does sound lovely on your ward shoveling everyone's magazines and books into the black bags and watching out for those peasky God Botherers sneaking in like some holy ninja. Always nice to get a glimpse of our dedicated NHS staff at work.
By chucking out bacteria riddled fiction and not allowing vicars to preach to vulnerable patients? Hardly fanatical, but don't let that affect your opinion.
Surely it is down to each patient what they wish to read not you and since when did Vicars start preaching on hotel wards, none of the ones I have seen ever have, they visit parishioners and will attend if asked for but have not seen any of them preaching to someone who did not want them there. I would say you have more than overstepped the mark in deciding what is good for others (outside their direct medical care ) when it should be down to them, patients may be ill that does not mean they have all lost their mental capacity to decide .
OK then! What happens to the poor souls who want to read a Bible?
If they want to read, they will bring one in (or get someone to bring one in, just as you would any book).
Then,
Firstly, do you ask the patient if they want the religious person removed before you "throw them out"?
No. If a vicar comes to a ward to see a person, they see the person. They don't, then get free reign to preach and prey on any other vulnerable patients. I am there for the safety of the patients, not for the promotion of religion.
Secondly, do you allow patients to read their magazines before you throw them out?
Of course I would - what a silly question.
Thirdly how do you cope with the germ infested library trolley? Or do you throw the volunteers and their trolley out too?:o
They are not my concern. They don't exist in every ward space.
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No need for that, I just used to write in the missing all persons fictitious disclaimer
I think that the whole point of them being there is that they may help someone who doesn't normally have one with them.
Not everyone carries a laptop, ipad or similar around with them either.
I'm lapsed now, but I grew up as Catholic and its not like you can just pick up a bible without any direction and turn to something reassuring...... (or I can't anyway)
Do all holy books make you feel that way?
The Gideon Bibles, as far as I'm aware, have a list of passages in the contents pages for certain things eg. loneliness (quite possible to feel that way in a hotel bedroom), so those sorts of Bibles are aimed at people that don't know it.
Loads of people seem to be saying that these Bibles are there for those that left theirs at home. They aren't! They are aimed at people that wouldn't normally carry one.
Surely someone who, for whatever reason, is staying in a hotel room and feeling utterly miserable and alone, but gets some comfort from reading a few passages from the Bible that's left in the room, should get that respite from whatever it is that's getting them down?
Ah, that makes more sense. Its a weighty tome without a handy "if you're feeling x, turn to y" list
That's what the pay-per-view porn is for silly
If someone is prone to feeling so utterly miserable and alone because they happen to be staying away from home for one night *, and the only way they can find any comfort is to actually read a bible, that person really really needs to be carrying their own copy!
Most people have the foresight to take a novel, buy a magazine, pack a sudoku book, buy a newspaper, etc. etc if they're they're going to be on their own and will have some time to kill (assuming the TV, radio, Wi-Fi access which is usually provided isn't enough), or they simply phone someone to have a chat. Do people who are particularly religious not have the gift of forward planning?
* If they're staying away for two nights, there's a simple answer. Buy a bible the next day!
Move to somewhere other than a Travelodge?
Good move by Travelodge and I hope others follow suit. Sadly, it's already been exploited by xenophobes to declare the takeover of the UK by Islam. I just shake my head at such ridiculous rhetoric and right wing tabloid bait.
Having worked in hospitals, I have thrown them out - not only because of the infection control risk, but because of the content of such a vile book. Added to this, I have thrown religious folk off wards when they have attempted to proselytize to patients - I would do it again as well.
Check out Mr Edgy here. That's some pretty fanatical intolerance your displaying yourself.
By chucking out bacteria riddled fiction and not allowing vicars to preach to vulnerable patients? Hardly fanatical, but don't let that affect your opinion.
I'd say the person proselytizing is slightly more fanatical.
In this case it did I suppose in that the readings were very definitely based on humanist philosophy. In general though I'd say it would be similar to a regular civil wedding.
I can always tell when someone has an axe to grind. What that does is allows me to disregard their viewpoints and listen to a more reasonable and dare I say unbiased opinion not based on what appears to be pent up anger.
The point about bacteria has some validity so I assume you throw out all books and magazines brought in or owned by the patients; or is it just bibles that are 'riddled' with the little organisms?
I agree, people should be safe in hospital, they are vulnerable. My aunt ended up being converted to JWs in hospital, and she refused treatment. She would have died anyway, but we all felt sad she died quicker.
If this were true, you wouldn't feel the need to reply but unfortunately you do.
I know it has validity. I do, indeed, throw them all away. However, as the previous poster has stated these bibles have been there longer than things brought in by patients - not that it matters, they all go into the black bag regardless.
Genuinely think it is sad that they are removing Bibles from the hotel room.
OK then! What happens to the poor souls who want to read a Bible?
Then,
Firstly, do you ask the patient if they want the religious person removed before you "throw them out"?
Secondly, do you allow patients to read their magazines before you throw them out?
Thirdly how do you cope with the germ infested library trolley? Or do you throw the volunteers and their trolley out too?:o
As for the OP it doesn't bother me but may bother someone somewhere?:D
Would you feel better if they kept the bible, but added the Koran, Torah, etc
I must say it does sound lovely on your ward shoveling everyone's magazines and books into the black bags and watching out for those peasky God Botherers sneaking in like some holy ninja. Always nice to get a glimpse of our dedicated NHS staff at work.
Surely it is down to each patient what they wish to read not you and since when did Vicars start preaching on hotel wards, none of the ones I have seen ever have, they visit parishioners and will attend if asked for but have not seen any of them preaching to someone who did not want them there. I would say you have more than overstepped the mark in deciding what is good for others (outside their direct medical care ) when it should be down to them, patients may be ill that does not mean they have all lost their mental capacity to decide .
No. If a vicar comes to a ward to see a person, they see the person. They don't, then get free reign to preach and prey on any other vulnerable patients. I am there for the safety of the patients, not for the promotion of religion.
Of course I would - what a silly question.
They are not my concern. They don't exist in every ward space.