[claire2281]

Originally Posted by moleymo

ha nooo I'm team merther now I ship them lol, but i;m also team Mered, team meraine, team mercivil, team meren, team merithian, and maybe a little team meruther

Make it stop! MAKE IT STOP!

(Is so glad that Morgana/Gwen and Morgana/Morgause don't have smushed names )

[moleymo]

Originally Posted by claire2281

Make it stop! MAKE IT STOP!

(Is so glad that Morgana/Gwen and Morgana/Morgause don't have smushed names )

maybe Morgana/Morgause does

[lil_miss_blonde]

Originally Posted by claire2281

Make it stop! MAKE IT STOP!

(Is so glad that Morgana/Gwen and Morgana/Morgause don't have smushed names )

Im sure they do somewhere..

Morgana and Morgause are both already one's lol

[moleymo]

Is games of thrones good? I'm going to miss my little medieval fantasy world

[Cadiva]

Originally Posted by claire2281

I still think cutting that scene was madness - it showed so much what they were fighting for and what Uther had destroyed.

Totally agree Claire, it would have given so much more depth to Morgana's actions following that opening episode. Otherwise, as is sadly now the case, she just comes across as a psycho bitch with no redeeming features and it's such a shame.

Originally Posted by moleymo

Is games of thrones good? I'm going to miss my little medieval fantasy world

Game of Thrones is exceptionally good, but very very different from Merlin, there's nothing light and fluffy about it It would also help if you've not read the books as then you won't be able to get irritated at the things they've changed for no apparent reason.

[claire2281]

Originally Posted by lil_miss_blonde

Im sure they do somewhere..

But the people who like they are too classy to use them

Morgana and Morgause are both already one's lol

So convenient! Probably why Katie and Emilia put so much subtext in between them

Originally Posted by moleymo

Is games of thrones good? I'm going to miss my little medieval fantasy world

It's excellent. But obviously much darker and gritter. I'd echo the thoughts of others - watch the show THEN read the books.

Also, I've started a thread for tonight's episode here.

[jllc]

Then I will accept your apology and apologise for the bluntness of mine, Ive had many people pm me that are too scared to post and it really annoys me that they feel that way. Disagreements can still be made nicely .

Yes I agree with that.

[ivyteainn]

Originally Posted by claire2281

So Bradley James was a Skype guest at the afternoon Cold Con.

Two bits of controversy - Bradley said Arthur's romance with Gwen is stronger and more important than his bromance with Merlin (can you imagine how THAT'S going down with some fans? )

Also apparently some of the guys said "There's scene that everyone thought was so badly written that they couldn't say their lines. Laughing so much."

So yeah, the gloves are off!

It's interesting that he said that, someone should tell the writers about it

Seriously, the writers have portrayed the relationship between Arthur and Merlin as far exceeding a bromance. Friends simply don't do what Merlin had done for Arthur. It's all charming, but I can see how the writers have fueled the fans of Meruther (did I get that right?). Personally, I think Merlin should start doing what is in his interests (and magic) and stop enabling Arthur. Magic suffers while Merlin is orbiting Arthur.

[ivyteainn]

Originally Posted by moleymo

Is games of thrones good? I'm going to miss my little medieval fantasy world

Game of Thrones is AWESOME. I highly recommend it.

[moleymo]

Originally Posted by ivyteainn

Game of Thrones is AWESOME. I highly recommend it.

Thanks to everyone who's telling me this I'm getting a bit excited now yeah!

[ivyteainn]

While I don't know for sure, I think that Colin and Bradley have always done their share of separate things. The both of them have much different interests. So if they have grown apart in people's perception, I believe that distance was already there. Think about it, how does someone go to dinner with Colin with his diet. Bradley likes clubbing; I've never really heard about Colin doing that scene. Colin doesn't like soccer (or as you Brits call it; football). Bradley has knights now that shares more of his interests. I think fans conjure up too much in their minds about actors' relationships.

[ivyteainn]

Originally Posted by moleymo

Thanks to everyone who's telling me this I'm getting a bit excited now yeah!

I like the Borgias too. Also, although its not swords and sorcery, the Arrow is good.

[Fimber]

Originally Posted by jllc

I apologise for the tone of the post, but I suppose I was just fed up with hearing the same old arguments all over again. I just wish people would stop looking at that particular episode as if it was an easy choice for Merlin to have made, when it was an exceptionally hard one for him to do.

Well, honestly, I dont think you needed to apologise. Those who are always defended here have said far worse things about and to others. Last time I saw someone writing here that she "isn't surprised to read such things from Merlin fans here" nobody took offense or defended anyone who disagreed wih the person in question.
The fact that some people are "scared" to post here definitely has nothing to do with what you wrote in your post, on the contrary. It wasn't offensive at all, you stated a fact that often people who side with a character try to find excuses.
I am one of those, and I share this opinion with Claire, obviously, who thinks that the media is a mirror of our real world and what we think about fictional characters and situations reflects up to a certain extent how we see others and real life.
That's the reason why I'm sometimes concerned with the lack of compassion and insight within a fandom when I read "person XY has to die" or Person XY has deserved to suffer/is innocent even though he/she/it tortures others" and stuff like that.
So when you are fed up with people defending evil characters, I understand pretty well why you are doing this. I'm a fan of Uther and there are often people who disagree with me but if you ever wrote that "people side with Uther" in a response to what I wrote, I wouldn't feel offended at all
Unless you would call me someone who is responsible for abuse in the real world like someone here accused me of

There have been offences and attacks on user who disagreed with others and they were not quite nice. You played no part in it, don't worry.

Originally Posted by Cadiva

My real problem isn't that Morgana is a villain, she's supposed to be the series protagonist, along with Mordred. The big problem is the HOW when it comes to making her become so. She's been poorly served by the writers, the missing year with Morgause between S2 and 3 is still a huge issue as the viewer has been left to assume this is when she became "wholly evil" and started to be trained in her role as a High Priestess of the Old Religion but the problem with leaving it up to the viewer to assume is that everyone takes a different interpretation of what they think went on.

It would have made far more sense to have had a five minute conversation between the two of them right at the start of S3 when they were heading to the Isle of the Blessed. They did sort of do this, and they cut out a scene in which Morgause reminisced about what it was like at the height of magic, and I think had that remained, it would have gone a long way to giving more background to both Morgause and Morgana's personal drive to rid Camelot of the obstacle they saw to magic returning - Uther.

Sadly they turned Morgana into a one dimensional pantomime villain, especially S3 - the series of the smirks! However, it's something I've noticed with a lot of shows, UK and US ones, the female characters aren't always well written unless there is a gay man writing the scripts (Glee's Ryan Murphy who writes most of his female characters with believable motivations most of the time) or where there is a female writer (Buffy the Vampire Slayer, which had Marni Noxon among others, but also Joss Whedon, who writes women very well imho).

I agree with you. Additionally, I also see that meanwhile even the male characters are not treated well in the scripts.
However, even when regarding the deleted scene, Morgana still is written as a psychopath. It would have been far better to describe her as a moderate villain or questionable character who doesn't behave like an evil one-dimensional villain. It doesn't do her character any good to always blame Uther for every bad thing in the world because aside from the fact that it shows her total lack of insight and judgement of characters, it also makes her very unbelievable and presents her as someone who has daddy-issues only, something that is pathological. In the "The Death Song of Uther Pendragon" thread Bea wrote that Morgana never gave Uther a chance to really accept her for what she is and I think this describes her total failure in humanity perfectly. Her exaggerated hate for him has always been incomprehensible and unbelievable and it makes her one-dimensional in the first place because we as the viewers could see far more in Uther than she did or wanted - but the viewer is always tempted to see everything through the eyes of other favourite protagonists or antagonists. It causes confusion since what we see and what Morgana sees are often two different things.
To make Morgana believable she needed to be described as someone with whom the viewer can identify with and they totally failed to do that. Except for those who really side with her, no matter what she does.

[Dave_Jones]

next weeks episode of merlin looks great and tonights also was great but i thought arthur was gonna trick the disir into saving mordred then kill them so i was surprised at how it ended.

[Cadiva]

Originally Posted by ivyteainn

I like the Borgias too. Also, although its not swords and sorcery, the Arrow is good.

Yes I'd recommend The Borgias too, and The Tudors, both excellent series' if not always strictly historically accurate I've not watched The Arrow yet but I've heard good things about it.

[Smint]

A couple of snippets of the Q&A from ColdCon

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWNHwwCz4ok

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uozL1...ature=youtu.be

(I can see me and Natarhi in the second one!)

[Natarhi]

Originally Posted by Smint

A couple of snippets of the Q&A from ColdCon

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWNHwwCz4ok

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uozL1...ature=youtu.be

(I can see me and Natarhi in the second one!)

The second one has Colin's answer to if he thinks Arthur knows about Merlin's magic if anyone's interested in exactly what he said.

There's also this one which has more of Colin's Q&A

[Natarhi]

And a bunch from the afternoon:

One
Two
Three
Four-This one has a bit of Bradley, including the part where he says Gwen is more important to Arthur than Merlin.

[moleymo]

Originally Posted by Smint

A couple of snippets of the Q&A from ColdCon

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWNHwwCz4ok

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uozL1...ature=youtu.be

(I can see me and Natarhi in the second one!)

Yeah! thanks smint!

[moleymo]

Originally Posted by Natarhi

And a bunch from the afternoon:

One
Two
Three
Four-This one has a bit of Bradley, including the part where he says Gwen is more important to Arthur than Merlin.

He actually gave a diplomatic answer
for the show the bromance is more important for arthur he would do anything for gwen

[lil_miss_blonde]

Originally Posted by Fimber

Well, honestly, I dont think you needed to apologise. Those who are always defended here have said far worse things about and to others. Last time I saw someone writing here that she "isn't surprised to read such things from Merlin fans here" nobody took offense or defended anyone who disagreed wih the person in question.
The fact that some people are "scared" to post here definitely has nothing to do with what you wrote in your post, on the contrary. It wasn't offensive at all, you stated a fact that often people who side with a character try to find excuses.
I am one of those, and I share this opinion with Claire, obviously, who thinks that the media is a mirror of our real world and what we think about fictional characters and situations reflects up to a certain extent how we see others and real life.
That's the reason why I'm sometimes concerned with the lack of compassion and insight within a fandom when I read "person XY has to die" or Person XY has deserved to suffer/is innocent even though he/she/it tortures others" and stuff like that.
So when you are fed up with people defending evil characters, I understand pretty well why you are doing this. I'm a fan of Uther and there are often people who disagree with me but if you ever wrote that "people side with Uther" in a response to what I wrote, I wouldn't feel offended at all
Unless you would call me someone who is responsible for abuse in the real world like someone here accused me of

There have been offences and attacks on user who disagreed with others and they were not quite nice. You played no part in it, don't worry.

Oh Fimber and here I was thinking we were having a good agreement day. So for that reason I will not respond to that, except to say that me and the poster your answering had actually sorted the matter so maybe your input wasn't needed.

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