Before the usual brigade of people enter the thread saying "Why does it matter?", "Why can't she?" etc. my question is a genuine one. Why was the school girl who was shot by the Taliban operated on in a UK hospital? Did she have family ties here?
Thanks.
I assume that because of the complexity of the case meaning that in Pakistan they simply do not have the expertise to carry out the operation/treatment; I understood that Pakistan is paying for the treatment - I certainly hope that this is still the case, because as she is not a British citizen, she has no right to use the NHS.
I assume that because of the complexity of the case meaning that in Pakistan they simply do not have the expertise to carry out the operation/treatment; I understood that Pakistan is paying for the treatment - I certainly hope that this is still the case, because as she is not a British citizen, she has no right to use the NHS.
1) It was paid for by the Pakistani government and donations so yes, privately.
2) Are there any wounded British Army guys that you think would prioritise their health over that of a young girl who had been shot?
I expect most wounded soldiers would gladly see a wounded girl get attention but that's not the point.
Resources (medical staff) are being diverted away from what was originally intended and paid for by the British tax payer.
Let me put it another way. Suppose thousands of people with sufficient funds wanted to use our NHS for medical procedures, from abroad.
From a very quick Google it appears that her life was saved by an operation in Pakistan, and then she was brought to a unit at a Birmingham hospital that specialises in treating soldiers who have been shot in action. So the unit would have been chosen because it already specialises in similar injuries.
So its only england that couldve helped her? Im sure america are more advanced than we are,thats o.k we can pick up another tab.
You must have seen a different interview to me then because in the one I saw she thanked the huge team of people who were 'her parents' while her parents weren't able to be next to her.
Indeed.
It was worth it so we can feel better about what the future might hold.
Her Dad (?) gave a great short statement about the virtues of education for women in terms of investing in her children and by extension the rest of society.
You're arguing as if scarcity and/or waste and/or corruption were built into the NHS. Money coming in pays for more staff and more equipment. In her case, it also had benefits for the image of the NHS and the UK that encourage investment.
Some of the people in this thread should read some of the words Malala has written. It's not just in Pakistan where people need to learn about equality and tolerance to others.
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Strewth. I was reading the thread and couldn't believe some of the posts I was seeing. And then it turns out there were even worse ones that have been removed.
What about Bahrain, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Dubai, Kuwait, United Arab Emirates, don't they have state-of-the-art hospitals, clinics and specialist medical facilities? Wouldn't the trauma of long distance air travel have been significantly reduced? And would not they be more appropriate to provide any particular cultural needs she would require?
What about Bahrain, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Dubai, Kuwait, United Arab Emirates, don't they have state-of-the-art hospitals, clinics and specialist medical facilities? Wouldn't the trauma of long distance air travel have been significantly reduced? And would not they be more appropriate to provide any particular cultural needs she would require?
Already answered on the first page. A doctor from the specialist unit that treated her was in Pakistan at the time and offered his services.
she is better off staying here for her own safety.
And what of the man who shot her? Can he come and stay here too? After all he now faces the probability of savage mahometan torture followed by an inhuman mahometan execution if he stays in his own country.
Before the usual brigade of people enter the thread saying "Why does it matter?", "Why can't she?" etc. my question is a genuine one. Why was the school girl who was shot by the Taliban operated on in a UK hospital? Did she have family ties here?
Thanks.
Ulterior motives, The winning of hearts and minds, Some sort of Political Agenda, Who knows;)
Already answered on the first page. A doctor from the specialist unit that treated her was in Pakistan at the time and offered his services.
Could you direct me to the post no# that explains why the hospitals, clinics and specialist medical facilities of Bahrain, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Dubai, Kuwait, United Arab Emirates (all a modest short haul flight from pakistan) were not offered or utilised to provide the treatment, because I can't find the reason from looking at the first page.
Yes, we have so many shooting injuries, here in the UK, our medical staff are second to none in performing surgery.
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The unit she was treated in at the QE Hospital in Birmingham specilaises in treating soldiers injured in Iraq and Afghanistan - they therefore have specilaist expertise in repairing damage from gunshot wounds. No need for eye-rolling.
There really are some poisonous posts on DS these days.
Could you direct me to the post no# that explains why the hospitals, clinics and specialist medical facilities of Bahrain, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Dubai, Kuwait, United Arab Emirates (all a modest short haul flight from pakistan) were not offered or utilised to provide the treatment, because I can't find the reason from looking at the first page.
We've established that this girl came to the UK because she required emergency follow-up treatment (after the emergency surgery that she received in Pakistan) because we have a specialist unit in Birmingham for shot soldiers, it was paid for by the Pakistani government (and not from British aid funds), that hasn't had any affect on NHS waiting lists, and that she has no intention to claim asylum.
Are there any outstanding gripes concerning this situation?
She's the wrong colour and she's a muslim so how dare she contaminate our wondrous shiny white isles with her noxious presence. Or something like that.
Seriously, the levels of narrow minded, wilfully ignorant nastiness on DS seem to be sky-rocketing recently.
Could you direct me to the post no# that explains why the hospitals, clinics and specialist medical facilities of Bahrain, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Dubai, Kuwait, United Arab Emirates (all a modest short haul flight from pakistan) were not offered or utilised to provide the treatment, because I can't find the reason from looking at the first page.
Pray how much expertise and recent practical experience of fixing smashed skulls akin to combat war wounds do you think most of the Countries you mentioned have, compared to the specialist Birmingham hospital unit that was set up to treat our Afghan seriously wounded soldiers?
Clearly, the offer to help was made, and the Pakistani authorities and Malala's father had high confidence in the ability of Birmingham to make a good job of it - and of the important security arrangements that would be essential.
That we should be grateful for, and pleased that we could help, instead of carping about it for the sake of making some kind of baffling weird point.
Could you direct me to the post no# that explains why the hospitals, clinics and specialist medical facilities of Bahrain, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Dubai, Kuwait, United Arab Emirates (all a modest short haul flight from pakistan) were not offered or utilised to provide the treatment, because I can't find the reason from looking at the first page.
You know, I don't really care why Malala Yousefzai (she has a name) was brought to the UK for treatment but I strongly suspect that if she was treated in any of those places she wouldn't be here right now. Here as in alive.....
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I assume that because of the complexity of the case meaning that in Pakistan they simply do not have the expertise to carry out the operation/treatment; I understood that Pakistan is paying for the treatment - I certainly hope that this is still the case, because as she is not a British citizen, she has no right to use the NHS.
Think you should read post 74.
I expect most wounded soldiers would gladly see a wounded girl get attention but that's not the point.
Resources (medical staff) are being diverted away from what was originally intended and paid for by the British tax payer.
Let me put it another way. Suppose thousands of people with sufficient funds wanted to use our NHS for medical procedures, from abroad.
Should we let them use our services?
So its only england that couldve helped her? Im sure america are more advanced than we are,thats o.k we can pick up another tab.
Can you actually read?
Indeed.
It was worth it so we can feel better about what the future might hold.
Her Dad (?) gave a great short statement about the virtues of education for women in terms of investing in her children and by extension the rest of society.
Sounds like an excellent argument for the education of women.
You're arguing as if scarcity and/or waste and/or corruption were built into the NHS. Money coming in pays for more staff and more equipment. In her case, it also had benefits for the image of the NHS and the UK that encourage investment.
Post of the day!:)
Strewth. I was reading the thread and couldn't believe some of the posts I was seeing. And then it turns out there were even worse ones that have been removed.
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Already answered on the first page. A doctor from the specialist unit that treated her was in Pakistan at the time and offered his services.
Ulterior motives, The winning of hearts and minds, Some sort of Political Agenda, Who knows;)
The unit she was treated in at the QE Hospital in Birmingham specilaises in treating soldiers injured in Iraq and Afghanistan - they therefore have specilaist expertise in repairing damage from gunshot wounds. No need for eye-rolling.
There really are some poisonous posts on DS these days.
Why would there be?
She's the wrong colour and she's a muslim so how dare she contaminate our wondrous shiny white isles with her noxious presence. Or something like that.
Seriously, the levels of narrow minded, wilfully ignorant nastiness on DS seem to be sky-rocketing recently.
Pray how much expertise and recent practical experience of fixing smashed skulls akin to combat war wounds do you think most of the Countries you mentioned have, compared to the specialist Birmingham hospital unit that was set up to treat our Afghan seriously wounded soldiers?
Clearly, the offer to help was made, and the Pakistani authorities and Malala's father had high confidence in the ability of Birmingham to make a good job of it - and of the important security arrangements that would be essential.
That we should be grateful for, and pleased that we could help, instead of carping about it for the sake of making some kind of baffling weird point.
You know, I don't really care why Malala Yousefzai (she has a name) was brought to the UK for treatment but I strongly suspect that if she was treated in any of those places she wouldn't be here right now. Here as in alive.....