Indeed. I'd say it was a rare thing for someone to kill themselves without reaching out in some way first.
I dunno, when I attempted via an overdose, I didn't tell anyone, I didn't write a note. I never really thought about asking for help. At the time, I'd just decided that I knew the way out.
It's actually dumb luck that I'm still here, if my mum wasn't an insomniac...
As I said, there is some truth to what that poster wrote, but it's certainly not universal...conversely, I've helped people who have reached out, I spent a lot of time in the well-being sector, and many people do reach out.
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I spent some years as a Samaritan. Talking to suicidal people requires some skill and empathy. In later years one of my roles was to de-brief volunteers (we were all volunteers) after their shift. Even when one is prepared and trained, some contacts can have a huge impact. The effect on people of having to listen to this depth of despair could be devastating.
How many suicides were directly due to tax bills ?
Are hmrc going to allow those struggling with tax bills to talk about their suicidal tendencies ?
Do you feel the same empathy for struggling tax payers as you do for struggling benefit recipients ?
A tax bills is normally the result of lack of awareness or mismanagement. The only lack of awareness or mismanagement benefit claimants are likely to display is the inability to second guess the mood of an adviser or inability to manage them.
Having said that, those who receive unexpected tax bills through lack of awareness are afforded considerably more latitude than someone on the end of a sanction.
I dunno, when I attempted via an overdose, I didn't tell anyone, I didn't write a note. I never really thought about asking for help. At the time, I'd just decided that I knew the way out.
It's actually dumb luck that I'm still here, if my mum wasn't an insomniac...
As I said, there is some truth to what that poster wrote, but it's certainly not universal...conversely, I've helped people who have reached out, I spent a lot of time in the well-being sector, and many people do reach out.
You're no doubt one of those rarities but I'd be surprised if you hadn't reached out in some way prior to it, maybe without even realising.
"Well, we've assessed your position and concluded that you are fit to apply for work."
"I'll kill myself then."
"Oh, alright, we'll keep you on benefits."
That's not counseling. Counseling is to help you deal with the situation, not change the situation. If you think that claiming you're on the brink of suicide will keep your benefits, you're really not getting it!
That's not counseling. Counseling is to help you deal with the situation, not change the situation. If you think that claiming you're on the brink of suicide will keep your benefits, you're really not getting it!
The Job Centre staff are not being trained in counselling - and nor should they be. They are being trained in how to deal with people who say they are suicidal. My guess is they give them a leaflet and a few handy tips, like calling the Samaritans or going to see their GP.
""Well, we've assessed your position and concluded that you are fit to apply for work."
"I'll kill myself then."
"Oh, alright, well you'll still be considered fit for work, Being dead isn't a good enough excuse".
Thats to bring it into line with the one about making yourself intentionally homeless. That doesn't entitle you to jump the housing queue. Best to opt for cremation in your will, then they can't wire you up frankenstein style, and put you to work:D
I mean a lot of these cases I've read where people killed themselves did it almost automatically when in all likelihood they would have won on appeal. I would suggest that such a kneejerk reaction is the result of the straw that broke the camels back and it's probably not fair to blame entirely on cuts, as with most suicides, it's rarely one reason. That's not to say dying is OK, of course it's not, but I think it's overdramatic to blame it entirely on benefit cuts.
There is no way call centre staff should have to listen to that unless they are both trained to and want to.
A tax bills is normally the result of lack of awareness or mismanagement. The only lack of awareness or mismanagement benefit claimants are likely to display is the inability to second guess the mood of an adviser or inability to manage them.
Having said that, those who receive unexpected tax bills through lack of awareness are afforded considerably more latitude than someone on the end of a sanction.
Unpaid tax bills are generally because the tax payer has no funds to pay it.
There're many reasons for this, the main one being a sudden downturn in business.
Having a business collapse isn't because of mismanagement of lack of awareness, it's just something that happens to many thousands of people every year.
Many are driven to suicide and if you think the hmrc are in anyway helpful, then you obviously have never had any dealings with the useless incompetent ****s.
Money worries are probably one of the main causes of suicide in this country, and I don't see why benefit claimants should be treated any differently then those who have the rug pulled from beneath their feet by hmrc.
"How to make £53 per week work; and Extreme couponing - all areas where the author's experience shines through so brightly, you can hardly see the words on the pages. It is certainly an illuminating read."
Happening tomorrow apparently, although we won't be told actual numbers as it'll apparently be "too inflammatory". It'll just be percentages as far as i understand.
In fairness I guess the problem is, it's difficult to determine if deaths are directly as a result of a cut rather than just a contributing factor or unrelated and they've died of their illness or died in some other way.
I'd be in full support of such information being released if they could determine such a thing.
In fairness I guess the problem is, it's difficult to determine if deaths are directly as a result of a cut rather than just a contributing factor or unrelated and they've died of their illness or died in some other way.
I'd be in full support of such information being released if they could determine such a thing.
In the instances in my quote above, this is about people who were told they were fit to work when they subsequently died due to their illnesses/disability - therefore not fit for work at all.
The Job Centre staff are not being trained in counselling - and nor should they be. They are being trained in how to deal with people who say they are suicidal. My guess is they give them a leaflet and a few handy tips, like calling the Samaritans or going to see their GP.
Its counseling with a little 'c', or empathy if you like. Counseling doesn't have to be just 'pull up a bean bag and tell me your problems'.
Unpaid tax bills are generally because the tax payer has no funds to pay it.
There're many reasons for this, the main one being a sudden downturn in business.
Having a business collapse isn't because of mismanagement of lack of awareness, it's just something that happens to many thousands of people every year.
Many are driven to suicide and if you think the hmrc are in anyway helpful, then you obviously have never had any dealings with the useless incompetent ****s.
Money worries are probably one of the main causes of suicide in this country, and I don't see why benefit claimants should be treated any differently then those who have the rug pulled from beneath their feet by hmrc.
Yep, had dealings twice over underpaid tax. On both occasions they were sympathetic and reasonable.
In the instances in my quote above, this is about people who were told they were fit to work when they subsequently died due to their illnesses/disability - therefore not fit for work at all.
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I'd personally not bother with a trial and just give him the Electric Chair
He presides over a vindictive shambles
I dunno, when I attempted via an overdose, I didn't tell anyone, I didn't write a note. I never really thought about asking for help. At the time, I'd just decided that I knew the way out.
It's actually dumb luck that I'm still here, if my mum wasn't an insomniac...
As I said, there is some truth to what that poster wrote, but it's certainly not universal...conversely, I've helped people who have reached out, I spent a lot of time in the well-being sector, and many people do reach out.
How many suicides were directly due to tax bills ?
Are hmrc going to allow those struggling with tax bills to talk about their suicidal tendencies ?
Do you feel the same empathy for struggling tax payers as you do for struggling benefit recipients ?
So IS is driving this, makes sense now. Undermining the infidels has become very clandestine
A tax bills is normally the result of lack of awareness or mismanagement. The only lack of awareness or mismanagement benefit claimants are likely to display is the inability to second guess the mood of an adviser or inability to manage them.
Having said that, those who receive unexpected tax bills through lack of awareness are afforded considerably more latitude than someone on the end of a sanction.
How many people on benefits committed suicide before the cuts?
More like ..
""Well, we've assessed your position and concluded that you are fit to apply for work."
"I'll kill myself then."
"Oh, alright, well you'll still be considered fit for work, Being dead isn't a good enough excuse".
You're no doubt one of those rarities but I'd be surprised if you hadn't reached out in some way prior to it, maybe without even realising.
That's not counseling. Counseling is to help you deal with the situation, not change the situation. If you think that claiming you're on the brink of suicide will keep your benefits, you're really not getting it!
The Job Centre staff are not being trained in counselling - and nor should they be. They are being trained in how to deal with people who say they are suicidal. My guess is they give them a leaflet and a few handy tips, like calling the Samaritans or going to see their GP.
Thats to bring it into line with the one about making yourself intentionally homeless. That doesn't entitle you to jump the housing queue. Best to opt for cremation in your will, then they can't wire you up frankenstein style, and put you to work:D
I mean a lot of these cases I've read where people killed themselves did it almost automatically when in all likelihood they would have won on appeal. I would suggest that such a kneejerk reaction is the result of the straw that broke the camels back and it's probably not fair to blame entirely on cuts, as with most suicides, it's rarely one reason. That's not to say dying is OK, of course it's not, but I think it's overdramatic to blame it entirely on benefit cuts.
There is no way call centre staff should have to listen to that unless they are both trained to and want to.
Unpaid tax bills are generally because the tax payer has no funds to pay it.
There're many reasons for this, the main one being a sudden downturn in business.
Having a business collapse isn't because of mismanagement of lack of awareness, it's just something that happens to many thousands of people every year.
Many are driven to suicide and if you think the hmrc are in anyway helpful, then you obviously have never had any dealings with the useless incompetent ****s.
Money worries are probably one of the main causes of suicide in this country, and I don't see why benefit claimants should be treated any differently then those who have the rug pulled from beneath their feet by hmrc.
The comments on the Amazon one, hysterical
"How to make £53 per week work; and Extreme couponing - all areas where the author's experience shines through so brightly, you can hardly see the words on the pages. It is certainly an illuminating read."
'Extreme couponing' had me laughing
Read more at http://thirdforcenews.org.uk/tfn-news/over-235000-signatures-yet-dwp-wont-release-benefit-related-death-figures#dQc11G6eJYH2PpOW.99
Still not happened.
Happening tomorrow apparently, although we won't be told actual numbers as it'll apparently be "too inflammatory". It'll just be percentages as far as i understand.
In fairness I guess the problem is, it's difficult to determine if deaths are directly as a result of a cut rather than just a contributing factor or unrelated and they've died of their illness or died in some other way.
I'd be in full support of such information being released if they could determine such a thing.
Its counseling with a little 'c', or empathy if you like. Counseling doesn't have to be just 'pull up a bean bag and tell me your problems'.
Yep, had dealings twice over underpaid tax. On both occasions they were sympathetic and reasonable.
Are you saying the DWP are like the Borg? 'Death is irrelevant!'
Oh, I see. Fair enough.
Exactly
http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/13620988.display/
Why is IDS obsessed with 6 ?
6 benefits into one
6 point plan