And with 36 weekend games now, BT will only have to pass on two rounds over the entirety of the season - not five as they do currently. The final day will no doubt remain one of those, and the other can be reserved for a weekend late in the season where Sky have hoovered up anything of note with the first three picks.
Igloo man totally agree with your post above, as I mentioned what is now many pages back, I don't think BT will be to disappointed with what they have got, yes maybe an extra package would of been nice but at what cost for them?
They will still get certain decent games on a Sat and no doubt will get even better games during their mid week package and lets not forget on certain weekends they will have FA Cup games as well as Prem games so it will be busier times for them.
Was 2 packages the very least they wanted along with their Champion's/Europa Cup's?
I think it was more than enough at the cost.
This thread has ballooned for obvious reasons.
I think possible BT are disappointed with the amount of games but maybe be not as they have got off lightly with the cost they have paid.
I suspect BT will front load the 8 extra weekend games especially the 2nd picks since BT should be able to know which midweek games it will pick and could show big teams when Sky pass on the 2nd picks and they don't really have any quota issues with that pack unlike last time.
If sky and bt do try to cover their costs just through subscription rises I can see a big drop in the number of people subscribing to both. If as someone wrote earlier if your team is not in the champions league then it's a easy decision. I Think that's the calculation sky have made and so have paid well over the odds.
Well if English teams go through a purple patch in Europe like before, that'll only benefit BT.
The allure of other European leagues works to their advantage already.
Of course! Too many numbers being thrown around today!
That's excellent news for BT. No more gaps in the schedule and three double header weekends too - if they can I presume Sky will try and force BT's double headers to be Sat 17:30 / Sun 12:00 rather than Sat 12:30 / Sat 17:30, which would give them the complete Saturday line-up.
Forget about Sky and the horrendous money they have spent but if there was a 3rd player in this surely the likes of BEIN would of come up with more than BT offered or am I being totally stupid and missed something or is it more than obvious they didn't bid?
And with 36 weekend games now, BT will only have to pass on two rounds over the entirety of the season - not five as they do currently. The final day will no doubt remain one of those, and the other can be reserved for a weekend late in the season where Sky have hoovered up anything of note with the first three picks.
The two of the 38 rounds BT have to pass on are actually Boxing Day and New Year's Day as SKY won that package.
6 games are from the 3 midweek rounds with the 36 games from the remaining 33 weekend rounds. If one of those is a final day game, they will have 3 weekends with a 2 games, if not then 4.
I Think Bt wil be very happy, as they have not spent stupid money, have more games to show, in addition to the FA Cup, Europa League and Champions League.
I Think Bt wil be very happy, as they have not spent stupid money, have more games to show, in addition to the FA Cup, Europa League and Champions League.
Sky subscribers are going to get absolutely rinsed!
Yep the biggest losers here will be Sky subscribers. There's no way Sky will increase the sports package by the percentage they've overpaid, they'll spread the cost across the whole of their services just like BT did (and claimed they didn't).
Of course! Too many numbers being thrown around today!
That's excellent news for BT. No more gaps in the schedule and three double header weekends too - if they can I presume Sky will try and force BT's double headers to be Sat 17:30 / Sun 12:00 rather than Sat 12:30 / Sat 17:30, which would give them the complete Saturday line-up.
Do we assume on the three weekends that BT have 2 games Sky would not be able to show 4 games. Basically could there be a weekend where 6 live games are shown?
Sky have paid over the odds, and BT haven't got enough to give them an all year round premium product they can charge very much for.
For the consumer expect to see line rental go up, it is the one area Sky know BT will push upwards and therefore allow Sky to follow suit. Virgin Media will be laughing, but there's no way it'll be to the benefit of the consumer. They might use their price rise to fund keeping BT Sport on their platform wholesale.
The fact the telephone/broadband/television and mobile markets are likely to consolidate into 3 major players - BT, Sky and Virgin - means we get essentially a cartel. Until the way the FAPL sell rights is fundamentally altered to bring the value down the consumers will be penalised on two counts essentially funding cartels who fund another cartel.
Do we assume on the three weekends that BT have 2 games Sky would not be able to show 4 games. Basically could there be a weekend where 6 live games are shown?
I don't think so - any weekend where BT have two games will include the second pick since that's the only weekend pick level they have in their midweek pack. The other game will likely be a third or fifth pick from Package B (I doubt Sky would pass both first and second pick unless there was a really drab round!) and that leaves Sky with either two or three other games.
It is possible that on those weekends both Sky and BT will have two games each.
Sky have paid over the odds, and BT haven't got enough to give them an all year round premium product they can charge very much for.
For the consumer expect to see line rental go up, it is the one area Sky know BT will push upwards and therefore allow Sky to follow suit. Virgin Media will be laughing, but there's no way it'll be to the benefit of the consumer. They might use their price rise to fund keeping BT Sport on their platform wholesale.
The fact the telephone/broadband/television and mobile markets are likely to consolidate into 3 major players - BT, Sky and Virgin - means we get essentially a cartel. Until the way the FAPL sell rights is fundamentally altered to bring the value down the consumers will be penalised on two counts essentially funding cartels who fund another cartel.
Really interesting analysis from all, especially from mlt11. Thanks everyone.
On the face of it, Sky have certainly overpaid. Just a couple of years ago, they were saying that they're not as reliant on the PL for their business model as they were in the past. To a certain extent, that is true, but with the amount of money they've just spent on the new contract, it shows how important the PL still is to Sky.
Sky are the big winners out of the contract, keeping their current contracts (except changing Saturday slots) adding bank holidays into the mix, increasing the number of 1st picks and adding matches over Xmas/New Year. It means they'll be pretty dominant throughout the season when the new contract kicks in.
BT haven't done too badly, they've increased the number of games they have and they get at least 1 game per matchday. Overall though, they've lost out; 12 first picks vs 18 at present, Sat teatime is less attractive than lunchtime, no Xmas/New Year period games. I do wonder what it will do to their rugby ratings, which have received a healthy lead in from Premier League games. Presumably, they will stay in the same slot and act as a lead in to their late Saturday games.
It is truly staggering that the auction raised over £5 billion, an increase of 70% on the last contract. £1.7bn per season (or $2.6bn) is more than CBS and Fox pay combined, per year, for NFL matches ($2.1bn/£1.38bn). The Premier League is catching up on the NFL very fast.
I also wish to echo the many comments on social media about this new contract. I hope that away ticket prices, as well as ticket prices in general display a significant reduction with the new TV contract, and I hope that the investment in grassroots football increases.
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BT has 36 weekend games over 33 weekend rounds.
So no passes required!
They will still get certain decent games on a Sat and no doubt will get even better games during their mid week package and lets not forget on certain weekends they will have FA Cup games as well as Prem games so it will be busier times for them.
Was 2 packages the very least they wanted along with their Champion's/Europa Cup's?
I think it was more than enough at the cost.
coverage this season not as good as last season.
I think possible BT are disappointed with the amount of games but maybe be not as they have got off lightly with the cost they have paid.
What games are classes as bank holiday?
The allure of other European leagues works to their advantage already.
Of course! Too many numbers being thrown around today!
That's excellent news for BT. No more gaps in the schedule and three double header weekends too - if they can I presume Sky will try and force BT's double headers to be Sat 17:30 / Sun 12:00 rather than Sat 12:30 / Sat 17:30, which would give them the complete Saturday line-up.
The two of the 38 rounds BT have to pass on are actually Boxing Day and New Year's Day as SKY won that package.
6 games are from the 3 midweek rounds with the 36 games from the remaining 33 weekend rounds. If one of those is a final day game, they will have 3 weekends with a 2 games, if not then 4.
That's a much better spread in my opinion.
I believe Sky have overspent.
That's a massive understatement:D
Yep the biggest losers here will be Sky subscribers. There's no way Sky will increase the sports package by the percentage they've overpaid, they'll spread the cost across the whole of their services just like BT did (and claimed they didn't).
Shirley that's not fair, or it's maybe the reason BT got their pack so 'cheap'
Sky have paid over the odds, and BT haven't got enough to give them an all year round premium product they can charge very much for.
For the consumer expect to see line rental go up, it is the one area Sky know BT will push upwards and therefore allow Sky to follow suit. Virgin Media will be laughing, but there's no way it'll be to the benefit of the consumer. They might use their price rise to fund keeping BT Sport on their platform wholesale.
The fact the telephone/broadband/television and mobile markets are likely to consolidate into 3 major players - BT, Sky and Virgin - means we get essentially a cartel. Until the way the FAPL sell rights is fundamentally altered to bring the value down the consumers will be penalised on two counts essentially funding cartels who fund another cartel.
4 games each other that period?
I don't think so - any weekend where BT have two games will include the second pick since that's the only weekend pick level they have in their midweek pack. The other game will likely be a third or fifth pick from Package B (I doubt Sky would pass both first and second pick unless there was a really drab round!) and that leaves Sky with either two or three other games.
It is possible that on those weekends both Sky and BT will have two games each.
Agree
No that should read Skychester united would like to thank you for our massive payrise. Yours sincerely Manchester united lol.
On the face of it, Sky have certainly overpaid. Just a couple of years ago, they were saying that they're not as reliant on the PL for their business model as they were in the past. To a certain extent, that is true, but with the amount of money they've just spent on the new contract, it shows how important the PL still is to Sky.
Sky are the big winners out of the contract, keeping their current contracts (except changing Saturday slots) adding bank holidays into the mix, increasing the number of 1st picks and adding matches over Xmas/New Year. It means they'll be pretty dominant throughout the season when the new contract kicks in.
BT haven't done too badly, they've increased the number of games they have and they get at least 1 game per matchday. Overall though, they've lost out; 12 first picks vs 18 at present, Sat teatime is less attractive than lunchtime, no Xmas/New Year period games. I do wonder what it will do to their rugby ratings, which have received a healthy lead in from Premier League games. Presumably, they will stay in the same slot and act as a lead in to their late Saturday games.
It is truly staggering that the auction raised over £5 billion, an increase of 70% on the last contract. £1.7bn per season (or $2.6bn) is more than CBS and Fox pay combined, per year, for NFL matches ($2.1bn/£1.38bn). The Premier League is catching up on the NFL very fast.
I also wish to echo the many comments on social media about this new contract. I hope that away ticket prices, as well as ticket prices in general display a significant reduction with the new TV contract, and I hope that the investment in grassroots football increases.