In that case I think I'll stay well clear. Is it just bloody violence for the sake of it and doesn't really add much to the story?
The story is good, although the end is disappointing imo. The bloody violence is all part of the story but I just felt it was unnecessarily graphic, I don't need to see everything to know that something bad is happening...
Dunno if it's been mentioned before but there's a series of interesting and amusing videos of the subject on YouTube by lbhorrorReview called The Most Disturbing Movies Ever. So far it's up to 9 videos (though YouTube has yanked the 9th one at the moment as being too violent) covering five or six films per episode. All the infamous ones are covered such as A Serbian Film, Men Behind The Sun and so forth, but also some mainstreamers such as Requiem For a Dream and A Clockwork Orange. Worth a watch for the clips alone, but the Dutch presenter varies from being quite amusing to a bit annoying.
I'd heard about it and thought the story sounded fascinating. I'd seen plenty of gore before (SAW ect) and it's never bothered me so I didn't think for a second about it being disturbing, but... It's bloody horrific!!! :eek::(
The graphic nature of some of the scenes were just unnecessary, it completely spoilt the film for me. I honestly wish I'd never seen it.
Yes I agree, I've seen and enjoyed (if that's the right word) many 'extreme' movies over the years, Cannibal Holocaust & Spit On Your Grave included, but I found this movie repulsive and as you say, some scenes were totally unecessary & blatantly just trying to 'boldly go where no other film has been before'. The scene where the guy is just repeatedly punching the young girl in the face for example was nothing short of 'violence as porn'.
The only other movie that was even more repulsive to me than Martyrs is Irreversible. That 20 minute rape scene is completely unecessary and a insult to anyone with a shred of morality. How the hell the director can claim it as 'art' beats me, it's nothing short of depraved voyeurism. It's the only movie I've ever seen where I literally felt unclean afterwards. Not to mention the 'Rectum' nightclub or the head-bashed-in-by-fire-extinguisher scenes.
I've seen a fair amount of films. I don't know which is most disgusting- of course you'd expect films over 18 to have a strong amount of violence, horror and profanity. I think my most disgusting one would have to be Samuel L Jackson and John Travolta in Pulp Fiction- the amount of swear words uses there was totally disgusting and unnecessary.
I would never want to star in a film and degrade myself to that level! Oh and most shocking- well well well, to say Horrid Henry is a U certified and then I hear a F word (until I'm proved otherwise) and some S words- I think that has to be the most shocking thing I've ever come across in my whole life!!
I've seen a fair amount of films. I don't know which is most disgusting- of course you'd expect films over 18 to have a strong amount of violence, horror and profanity. I think my most disgusting one would have to be Samuel L Jackson and John Travolta in Pulp Fiction- the amount of swear words uses there was totally disgusting and unnecessary.
I would never want to star in a film and degrade myself to that level! Oh and most shocking- well well well, to say Horrid Henry is a U certified and then I hear a F word (until I'm proved otherwise) and some S words- I think that has to be the most shocking thing I've ever come across in my whole life!!
Swearwords aren't shocking and disgusting. Get over yourself...
And I very much doubt anybody in Horrid Henry swore, probably just an overactive imagination. And based on the other thread you started it sounds like you're hearing things.
"Bugs" sounds like the f word? Don't be silly...
Shit is a PG level swearword. Toy Story is a PG, however for potentially dangerous behaviour rather than swearing. Are you telling me you wouldn't let a child watch Toy Story?
In that case I think I'll stay well clear. Is it just bloody violence for the sake of it and doesn't really add much to the story?
If you enjoy torture porn then go for it but otherwise dont bother. I think what pissed me off most about Martyrs (and why its my prime example of why I no longer bother with modern horror) is because its thinks its something profound when its not.
At least with hostel or Saw its "hey its just people being being tortured for fun" its honest, this is a shite in sheep's clothing, you can tell the makers are under the impression they are making some amazing artistic, thought provoking film when in reality its just torturing people with absolutely no story (bar last 5 mins) .
I didnt find it shocking, I did however lament the loss of 90 mins of my life on a film that doesn't even have the guts to admit that its just a gore fest.
Of course some people like this stuff, but I loved horror for the imaginative stories from Hammer all the way to early 2000. But its turned to sludge now. Hopefully its just a phase.
Not that I wish to sit on the fence about this or anything.
I've seen a fair amount of films. I don't know which is most disgusting- of course you'd expect films over 18 to have a strong amount of violence, horror and profanity. I think my most disgusting one would have to be Samuel L Jackson and John Travolta in Pulp Fiction- the amount of swear words uses there was totally disgusting and unnecessary.
So shooting people in the face is less shocking than naughty words huh? You have an interesting world perspective.
And I very much doubt anybody in Horrid Henry swore, probably just an overactive imagination. And based on the other thread you started it sounds like you're hearing things.
"Bugs" sounds like the f word? Don't be silly...
Well you are wrong. I have personally seen the movie from beginning to end- and have listened to every word. I have also seen all the versions of the song '2 cool for school,' other viewers have also commented the word bugs did sound like the f word- someone actually made a youtube video on this saying listen to the swearing on Horrid Henry song- is he hearing things too??:rolleyes:
Shit is a PG level swearword. Toy Story is a PG, however for potentially dangerous behaviour rather than swearing. Are you telling me you wouldn't let a child watch Toy Story?
Were you listening to what I posted? Horrid Henry is U certified- that means that NO swear words should be used- not even shit. And I don't think PG films should/do have the word shit in them- I think that would be 12. I wouldn't let a child watch Toy Story if it had the f word or other medium swear words no. A little violence yes- after all it's a cartoony thing, no broken bones!
So shooting people in the face is less shocking than naughty words huh? You have an interesting world perspective.
Pulp Fiction had a record of something like 500+ F words in it!:mad: In the context of that- yes- if they could edit those words and make it cut down to even a quarter of that- I'd say shot to the face is less shocking!
Maybe for the ones's who love filth- that's why we have more children imitating all the crudeness on T.V.
Well you are wrong. I have personally seen the movie from beginning to end- and have listened to every word. I have also seen all the versions of the song '2 cool for school,' other viewers have also commented the word bugs did sound like the f word- someone actually made a youtube video on this saying listen to the swearing on Horrid Henry song- is he hearing things too??:rolleyes:
Were you listening to what I posted? Horrid Henry is U certified- that means that NO swear words should be used- not even shit. And I don't think PG films should/do have the word shit in them- I think that would be 12. I wouldn't let a child watch Toy Story if it had the f word or other medium swear words no. A little violence yes- after all it's a cartoony thing, no broken bones!
U films are allowed swearwords. Crap, bloody and similar mild terms are all permitted infrequently at U.
I think it's just poorly edited, nobody would act say the f word in what is clearly a children's film. I imagine it's just an unusual pronunciation or some odd editing. And loads of people think the letter "n" appears in dilemma, doesn't stop them from all being wrong...
And if the film genuinely had what was in all likelihood to be an f word or shit, it wouldn't be a U. As I said probably an over-active imagination.
Well you are wrong. I have personally seen the movie from beginning to end- and have listened to every word. I have also seen all the versions of the song '2 cool for school,' other viewers have also commented the word bugs did sound like the f word- someone actually made a youtube video on this saying listen to the swearing on Horrid Henry song- is he hearing things too??:rolleyes:
Yeah pretty much. If it sounds like "****s" (instead of "bugs") to you its because you are aware of the word. A child listening would have to already know the word to even consider that's what it sounds like in which case, what difference does it make.
I might also draw your attention to the avatar of that particular youtuber.
Pulp Fiction had a record of something like 500+ F words in it!:mad: In the context of that- yes- if they could edit those words and make it cut down to even a quarter of that- I'd say shot to the face is less shocking!
Yeah pretty much. If it sounds like "****s" (instead of "bugs") to you its because you are aware of the word. A child listening would have to already know the word to even consider that's what it sounds like in which case, what difference does it make.
I might also draw your attention to the avatar of that particular youtuber.
Well then I can only say you are trying to defeat reality. There is definitely a fu before the b- now I've personally asked this to be investigated- and even the investigator agrees he was shocked this could happen on CFBB! If this indeed can be proved to be a full blown F word- terrible egg will be on the face of producer Nick Moore!
The avatar of that youtuber means? If he is correct then he is correct- regardless of what he/she uses as an avartar!!:D
U films are allowed swearwords. Crap, bloody and similar mild terms are all permitted infrequently at U.
I think it's just poorly edited, nobody would act say the f word in what is clearly a children's film. I imagine it's just an unusual pronunciation or some odd editing. And loads of people think the letter "n" appears in dilemma, doesn't stop them from all being wrong...
And if the film genuinely had what was in all likelihood to be an f word or shit, it wouldn't be a U. As I said probably an over-active imagination.
Oh you'd be surprised what can happen these days!! If they can show swearing before the watershed it is not at all impossible for a U rated film to have an F word- or an S word!! An unusual pronunciation? Come on- b should sound like b- not f- g should sound like g- not ck- I have a feeling the only thing that would have this potential terrible egg on his face would be a b sound somewhere after the fu- and maybe a c after the s- good heavens- if I was part of the directing team I would wipe the floor with Mr Moore and his team!:D:D
I think my most disgusting one would have to be Samuel L Jackson and John Travolta in Pulp Fiction- the amount of swear words uses there was totally disgusting and unnecessary.
It was totally necessary. Pulp Fiction was written and directed by Quentin Tarantino to be a comic take on the "real lives" of two gangsters in Los Angeles, and how their conversation with one another going to and from a job was based on reality, not fantasy - so of course their script was written to express the way two comedy hoodlums would speak in real life. This wasn't an Ealing comedy where the two hoods would speak like Eton graduates:
"Oh I say old bean that Marcellus Wallace chap acted dreadfully to Tony Rocky Horror."
"He certainly did - all the fellow did was touch Mia's dainty tootsies, no need for such a violent outburst."
If the swearing hadn't been included in the dialogue then the impact that those scenes were designed to express would not have been achieved. Have you not seen many Tarantino movies? Industrial language has always been part of his output - just as it was in Reservoir Dogs and Kill Bill.
Have you not seen many Tarantino movies? Industrial language has always been part of his output - just as it was in Reservoir Dogs and Kill Bill.
Don't worry - I doubt that you will be asked to.
I have seen Kill Bill and part of Reservoir Dogs- he does indeed seem to thrive on bad language- now is that a good thing? Depends if you get a thrill out of it. Same things with comedians like Jimmy Carr- does he have to use expletives all the time to make people laugh? I think not.
And if the film genuinely had what was in all likelihood to be an f word or shit, it wouldn't be a U. As I said probably an over-active imagination.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmUNOK3VL8E- this F word is as clear as crystal- no doubt! I will find out the name of that Disney film and make a strong complaint to the director!
Don't think you're meant to get a thrill out of it. It's just that little bit more added realism. To not have bad language in these conversations would be unrealistic. Just because you or I don't swear like troopers in real life doesn't mean that gangsters don't - they obviously do. Listen to Tommy DeVito in Goodfellas, Big Chris in Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels, Ronnie or Reggie Kray in The Krays.
The bad language included in all these movies - and many others of a similar genre too - is there because that is how people in that particular walk of life speak to one another. That is why those people don't work in a Sky call centre, or in a sweet shop, or teaching primary school kids.
I have seen Kill Bill and part of Reservoir Dogs- he does indeed seem to thrive on bad language- now is that a good thing? Depends if you get a thrill out of it. Same things with comedians like Jimmy Carr- does he have to use expletives all the time to make people laugh? I think not.
Quite honestly, if you are trying to replicate something that in real life is violent then it certainly doesnt come across as "real" if you dont replicate the language and behaviour used.
Now I get why folk find "Martyrs" and "Irreversable" hard, or impossible to watch - I watched Martyrs and while I "got" the reason for the violence I did feel slightly sullied after watching it:D................ergo I wouldnt watch something similar - however some people wish to watch it and thats their perogative - just not my thang.........
Using expletives in Pulp Fiction or Reservior Dogs is absolutely crucial to the plot - two killers arent going to be discussing things using worlds like golly and gosh.................the violence is essential to the story also - and in some ways I feel hypocritical about saying that as I can watch Pulp Fiction yet find Martyrs difficult - I guess its the "personal" "up close" violence in the latter that gets to me, and Pulp Fiction does have that humour that lifts the mind slightly!
For me I sometimes feel like watching Ghost or the Quiet Man, sometimes I want to watch the Exorcist or the Omen..........its light and shade - and sometimes a horror is a little like the emotional equivalent of a roller coaster, you "want" to be frightened or a little disgusted, you want to know why the serial killer killed folk....................sometimes its fun to escape your life for a bit of a shock - sometimes a bit of a laugh or cry.
NONE of these genres would have the "punch" they have, if they werent "real", in my opinion, whether it be comedy, horror or weepies.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmUNOK3VL8E- this F word is as clear as crystal- no doubt! I will find out the name of that Disney film and make a strong complaint to the director!
What makes you think that the director of a movie could care less what you think?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmUNOK3VL8E- this F word is as clear as crystal- no doubt! I will find out the name of that Disney film and make a strong complaint to the director!
Maybe you need to wash your ears out, because it's clearly, "Get that BUS out of there." You're clearly obsessed with and looking for a swearword, so you found one that's not there. Then again, I still think you're on the wind-up.
Maybe you need to wash your ears out, because it's clearly, "Get that BUS out of there." You're clearly obsessed with and looking for a swearword, so you found one that's not there. Then again, I still think you're on the wind-up.
I think you're the one that needs to wash out your earholes- there was no bus- it was an f word before, he did not say bus at all- the user would not have uploaded a movie to embarrass himself- and I do have very sharp ears!:)
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The only bits that made me go yuk were
And a few bits when the guy is punching the girl in the face.
But apart from that it was plain sailing. Also it didn't help that the CGI/Prosthetics were rather poor which made
Maybe I've been desensitized to all this stuff. :eek::p
The film was OK I guess but I wouldn't watch it again as it's one of those watch once type movies.
The story is good, although the end is disappointing imo. The bloody violence is all part of the story but I just felt it was unnecessarily graphic, I don't need to see everything to know that something bad is happening...
I'm probably just a wuss.
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Mark
Yes I agree, I've seen and enjoyed (if that's the right word) many 'extreme' movies over the years, Cannibal Holocaust & Spit On Your Grave included, but I found this movie repulsive and as you say, some scenes were totally unecessary & blatantly just trying to 'boldly go where no other film has been before'. The scene where the guy is just repeatedly punching the young girl in the face for example was nothing short of 'violence as porn'.
The only other movie that was even more repulsive to me than Martyrs is Irreversible. That 20 minute rape scene is completely unecessary and a insult to anyone with a shred of morality. How the hell the director can claim it as 'art' beats me, it's nothing short of depraved voyeurism. It's the only movie I've ever seen where I literally felt unclean afterwards. Not to mention the 'Rectum' nightclub or the head-bashed-in-by-fire-extinguisher scenes.
I would never want to star in a film and degrade myself to that level! Oh and most shocking- well well well, to say Horrid Henry is a U certified and then I hear a F word (until I'm proved otherwise) and some S words- I think that has to be the most shocking thing I've ever come across in my whole life!!
Swearwords aren't shocking and disgusting. Get over yourself...
And I very much doubt anybody in Horrid Henry swore, probably just an overactive imagination. And based on the other thread you started it sounds like you're hearing things.
"Bugs" sounds like the f word? Don't be silly...
Shit is a PG level swearword. Toy Story is a PG, however for potentially dangerous behaviour rather than swearing. Are you telling me you wouldn't let a child watch Toy Story?
If you enjoy torture porn then go for it but otherwise dont bother. I think what pissed me off most about Martyrs (and why its my prime example of why I no longer bother with modern horror) is because its thinks its something profound when its not.
At least with hostel or Saw its "hey its just people being being tortured for fun" its honest, this is a shite in sheep's clothing, you can tell the makers are under the impression they are making some amazing artistic, thought provoking film when in reality its just torturing people with absolutely no story (bar last 5 mins) .
I didnt find it shocking, I did however lament the loss of 90 mins of my life on a film that doesn't even have the guts to admit that its just a gore fest.
Of course some people like this stuff, but I loved horror for the imaginative stories from Hammer all the way to early 2000. But its turned to sludge now. Hopefully its just a phase.
Not that I wish to sit on the fence about this or anything.
So shooting people in the face is less shocking than naughty words huh? You have an interesting world perspective.
Maybe for the ones's who love filth- that's why we have more children imitating all the crudeness on T.V.
Well you are wrong. I have personally seen the movie from beginning to end- and have listened to every word. I have also seen all the versions of the song '2 cool for school,' other viewers have also commented the word bugs did sound like the f word- someone actually made a youtube video on this saying listen to the swearing on Horrid Henry song- is he hearing things too??:rolleyes:
Were you listening to what I posted? Horrid Henry is U certified- that means that NO swear words should be used- not even shit. And I don't think PG films should/do have the word shit in them- I think that would be 12. I wouldn't let a child watch Toy Story if it had the f word or other medium swear words no. A little violence yes- after all it's a cartoony thing, no broken bones!
Pulp Fiction had a record of something like 500+ F words in it!:mad: In the context of that- yes- if they could edit those words and make it cut down to even a quarter of that- I'd say shot to the face is less shocking!
U films are allowed swearwords. Crap, bloody and similar mild terms are all permitted infrequently at U.
I think it's just poorly edited, nobody would act say the f word in what is clearly a children's film. I imagine it's just an unusual pronunciation or some odd editing. And loads of people think the letter "n" appears in dilemma, doesn't stop them from all being wrong...
And if the film genuinely had what was in all likelihood to be an f word or shit, it wouldn't be a U. As I said probably an over-active imagination.
Yeah pretty much. If it sounds like "****s" (instead of "bugs") to you its because you are aware of the word. A child listening would have to already know the word to even consider that's what it sounds like in which case, what difference does it make.
I might also draw your attention to the avatar of that particular youtuber.
And I say...not buying it anymore.
Well then I can only say you are trying to defeat reality. There is definitely a fu before the b- now I've personally asked this to be investigated- and even the investigator agrees he was shocked this could happen on CFBB! If this indeed can be proved to be a full blown F word- terrible egg will be on the face of producer Nick Moore!
The avatar of that youtuber means? If he is correct then he is correct- regardless of what he/she uses as an avartar!!:D
And in what language is Fubug a swear then?
Yes yes, of course.
Oh you'd be surprised what can happen these days!! If they can show swearing before the watershed it is not at all impossible for a U rated film to have an F word- or an S word!! An unusual pronunciation? Come on- b should sound like b- not f- g should sound like g- not ck- I have a feeling the only thing that would have this potential terrible egg on his face would be a b sound somewhere after the fu- and maybe a c after the s- good heavens- if I was part of the directing team I would wipe the floor with Mr Moore and his team!:D:D
It was totally necessary. Pulp Fiction was written and directed by Quentin Tarantino to be a comic take on the "real lives" of two gangsters in Los Angeles, and how their conversation with one another going to and from a job was based on reality, not fantasy - so of course their script was written to express the way two comedy hoodlums would speak in real life. This wasn't an Ealing comedy where the two hoods would speak like Eton graduates:
"Oh I say old bean that Marcellus Wallace chap acted dreadfully to Tony Rocky Horror."
"He certainly did - all the fellow did was touch Mia's dainty tootsies, no need for such a violent outburst."
If the swearing hadn't been included in the dialogue then the impact that those scenes were designed to express would not have been achieved. Have you not seen many Tarantino movies? Industrial language has always been part of his output - just as it was in Reservoir Dogs and Kill Bill.
Don't worry - I doubt that you will be asked to.
I have seen Kill Bill and part of Reservoir Dogs- he does indeed seem to thrive on bad language- now is that a good thing? Depends if you get a thrill out of it. Same things with comedians like Jimmy Carr- does he have to use expletives all the time to make people laugh? I think not.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmUNOK3VL8E- this F word is as clear as crystal- no doubt! I will find out the name of that Disney film and make a strong complaint to the director!
Certainly wouldn't have the impact it has without the bad language - remember, he is depicting people who in everyday life would (do) swear a lot.
Don't think you're meant to get a thrill out of it. It's just that little bit more added realism. To not have bad language in these conversations would be unrealistic. Just because you or I don't swear like troopers in real life doesn't mean that gangsters don't - they obviously do. Listen to Tommy DeVito in Goodfellas, Big Chris in Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels, Ronnie or Reggie Kray in The Krays.
The bad language included in all these movies - and many others of a similar genre too - is there because that is how people in that particular walk of life speak to one another. That is why those people don't work in a Sky call centre, or in a sweet shop, or teaching primary school kids.
Quite honestly, if you are trying to replicate something that in real life is violent then it certainly doesnt come across as "real" if you dont replicate the language and behaviour used.
Now I get why folk find "Martyrs" and "Irreversable" hard, or impossible to watch - I watched Martyrs and while I "got" the reason for the violence I did feel slightly sullied after watching it:D................ergo I wouldnt watch something similar - however some people wish to watch it and thats their perogative - just not my thang.........
Using expletives in Pulp Fiction or Reservior Dogs is absolutely crucial to the plot - two killers arent going to be discussing things using worlds like golly and gosh.................the violence is essential to the story also - and in some ways I feel hypocritical about saying that as I can watch Pulp Fiction yet find Martyrs difficult - I guess its the "personal" "up close" violence in the latter that gets to me, and Pulp Fiction does have that humour that lifts the mind slightly!
For me I sometimes feel like watching Ghost or the Quiet Man, sometimes I want to watch the Exorcist or the Omen..........its light and shade - and sometimes a horror is a little like the emotional equivalent of a roller coaster, you "want" to be frightened or a little disgusted, you want to know why the serial killer killed folk....................sometimes its fun to escape your life for a bit of a shock - sometimes a bit of a laugh or cry.
NONE of these genres would have the "punch" they have, if they werent "real", in my opinion, whether it be comedy, horror or weepies.
What makes you think that the director of a movie could care less what you think?
Maybe you need to wash your ears out, because it's clearly, "Get that BUS out of there." You're clearly obsessed with and looking for a swearword, so you found one that's not there. Then again, I still think you're on the wind-up.
I think you're the one that needs to wash out your earholes- there was no bus- it was an f word before, he did not say bus at all- the user would not have uploaded a movie to embarrass himself- and I do have very sharp ears!:)