Microsoft ending support for Windows XP and Windows Vista

xxtimboxxtimbo Posts: 8,877
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There must be millions on xp.... are we being slowly hounded off
The net ?

I feel as though LM back on 56 k. Dial up

My browsers are not working as good as they used to

its taking me an age just to get on google
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  • SexbombSexbomb Posts: 20,005
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    I'm still using it with a dual boot to windows 8.1 :)
  • LION8TIGERLION8TIGER Posts: 8,484
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    There must be millions on xp.... are we being slowly hounded off
    The net ?

    MS is making our updates harder to get, maybe just softening us up for the April knockout.

    I feel as though LM back on 56 k. Dial up

    My browsers are not working as good as they used to

    its taking me an age just to get on google

    Thats much more likely to do with your ISP or a fault inside or outside your house.
  • xxtimboxxtimbo Posts: 8,877
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    THAT sounds clever, any link that might
    tell me how to do it ?
  • thenetworkbabethenetworkbabe Posts: 45,618
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    xxtimbo wrote: »
    There must be millions on xp.... are we being slowly hounded off
    The net ?

    I feel as though LM back on 56 k. Dial up

    My browsers are not working as good as they used to

    its taking me an age just to get on google

    Not sure if you can now use anything past IE8 on XP? But I find that IE8 has great difficulty loading all sorts of pages/adverts that IE9+ or Firefox can cope with.
  • Fried KickinFried Kickin Posts: 60,132
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    A third of the worlds PC's are still running XP.
    Whilst I know that 13 years for any OS is a very long time,I do feel it's quite irresponsible of Microsoft to close the doors on vital updates to such a large volume of currently active PC's.
    I shudder to think how many 0 day exploits are sitting on the back burner just waiting for April.
  • xxtimboxxtimbo Posts: 8,877
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    What number IE would you advise xp users to download ?
  • irishguyirishguy Posts: 22,172
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    xxtimbo wrote: »
    What number IE would you advise xp users to download ?

    You're stuck with IE8 as the most recent browser you can use with XP.... it won't run 9, 10 or 11. Which means your IE browser won't be able to render HTML 5 sites properly as a lot of HTML 5 functions aren't supported by it.

    Better to move to the latest versions of Chrome or Firefox which will still work on XP
  • xxtimboxxtimbo Posts: 8,877
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    Ive been having big trouble with firefox
    freezing up... which is the best number to download ?
  • irishguyirishguy Posts: 22,172
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    xxtimbo wrote: »
    Ive been having big trouble with firefox
    freezing up... which is the best number to download ?

    Version 26 is the latest version you can get it here

    https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/new/

    If its giving you problems try Chrome or Opera.

    You could also try disabling the addons on Firefox as they're usually the reason for sporadic freezing and slowness.
  • xxtimboxxtimbo Posts: 8,877
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    tHANKS for that link, ffox is working great... so far !

    Its a bit spooky how similar the Google Chrome and the Opera
    browsers look ! wonder why ?
  • Fried KickinFried Kickin Posts: 60,132
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    xxtimbo wrote: »
    tHANKS for that link, ffox is working great... so far !

    Its a bit spooky how similar the Google Chrome and the Opera
    browsers look ! wonder why ?
    A while back Opera started to use the Chromium source code to build their browser upon.
    So Chrome & Opera will look very similar nowadays. :)
  • The RatThe Rat Posts: 6,048
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    A third of the worlds PC's are still running XP.
    Whilst I know that 13 years for any OS is a very long time,I do feel it's quite irresponsible of Microsoft to close the doors on vital updates to such a large volume of currently active PC's.
    I shudder to think how many 0 day exploits are sitting on the back burner just waiting for April.

    Microsoft have given plenty of notice over many years that come April 2014 support for XP will end. Users and admins have been given ample notice and if they choose to ignore it they must accept responsibly for whatever may happen.

    Dave
  • killjoykilljoy Posts: 7,918
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    My browsers are not working as good as they used to

    its taking me an age just to get on google

    Are you sure you are not just suffering from this ?


    http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showthread.php?t=1909614

    Took me ages to sort mine yesterday >:(
  • flagpoleflagpole Posts: 44,641
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    my phone has a quad core 32bit 2.3GHz CPU, and specialist graphics hardware, 2GB of RAM.

    what is in your XP machine?
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 387
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    I have used this on XP for 3yrs now and find it better than any others >>>> http://home.slimbrowser.net/
  • DarthchaffinchDarthchaffinch Posts: 7,558
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    Chrome is still running fine with my (Pentium 4!) XP machine.


    flagpole wrote: »
    my phone has a quad core 32bit 2.3GHz CPU, and specialist graphics hardware, 2GB of RAM.

    what is in your XP machine?

    What's the point of posting that?
  • flagpoleflagpole Posts: 44,641
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    What's the point of posting that?

    The point was too subtle for you?

    OK the OP says his browsers are not as fast as they used to be. the internet feels slow.

    i'm suggesting that the requirements of 'the internet' have moved on such that the specs i gave are now considered appropriate for running the internet on a run of the mill phone. and if his XP machine has an XP2100+ in it then that might be the reason why the internet feels slow.

    i actually thought that was reasonably clear.
  • xxtimboxxtimbo Posts: 8,877
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    I seem to be getting into a pattern of going on the web
    and then for the first hour I cant do a thing,
    can hardly get onto google..
    but then, after an hour things begin to be ok.

    today though, thurs, things have been ok from the start.
    But its as though us xp guys are slowly being sidelined
    I cant even get on twitter now, it says... your old version
    of int exp is nt supported !
    on Tumblr I cant sign in with int exp

    Is there any way that us millions of xp users can
    upgrade to the latest operating system without too much
    cost or hassle ?
  • Mr DosMr Dos Posts: 3,637
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    xxtimbo wrote: »
    Is there any way that us millions of xp users can
    upgrade to the latest operating system without too much
    cost or hassle ?

    Your old XP machine's hardware is probably not up to the demands of today's computing. My advice is to look in the January sales for a Windows 8.1 replacement. Rumour is that 8.2 will be a free upgrade to 8.1 and will have a proper start button, which was missing in Windows 8 and although present in 8.1, was not the button we all knew and loved from Windows 95 onwards. Windows 8.2 is said to be due early 2014.
  • xxtimboxxtimbo Posts: 8,877
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    My comp is not as old as you think, when I bought it
    I got the shop to delete the current windows op system
    and install XP that I was so familiar with.

    So ...............Im asuming you have to save everything you value
    in documents etc... (save perhaps to a usb hard drive)
    then wipe your computor completely
    then put a disc in with the windows 8.2 and bingo !


    Sounds easy .... any link to full instructions ?
  • MaxatoriaMaxatoria Posts: 17,980
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    well windows 8.2 out yet for another 12 months or more so no rush ;)

    if the hardwares reasonably new just get either a copy of windows 7 or 8, depending on if you have kids at school/college you may be able to get a license for cheap or even free (see dreamspark)
  • zx50zx50 Posts: 91,266
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    flagpole wrote: »
    my phone has a quad core 32bit 2.3GHz CPU, and specialist graphics hardware, 2GB of RAM.

    what is in your XP machine?

    If it's got original XP hardware in, probably very slow hardware. I'd hate to do the stuff I do now on this laptop on original XP hardware. Their system must be seriously at risk when doing anything online.
  • xxtimboxxtimbo Posts: 8,877
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    my comp is

    Intel (R) Core ( TW ) 2 Duo CPU

    E 4500 @ 2.20 GHz

    2.20 GHz 3.00 GB of RAM

    Surely thats modern enough to take on a new operating system ?

    Original XP hardware ? what is that, surely
    XP is software, ie the code to run the hardware .
  • flagpoleflagpole Posts: 44,641
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    xxtimbo wrote: »
    my comp is

    Intel (R) Core ( TW ) 2 Duo CPU

    E 4500 @ 2.20 GHz

    2.20 GHz 3.00 GB of RAM

    Surely thats modern enough to take on a new operating system ?

    Original XP hardware ? what is that, surely
    XP is software, ie the code to run the hardware .

    He's referring to XP era hardware as in hardware from before vista was released nearly 7 years ago.
  • GroutyGrouty Posts: 34,020
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    Found this article about XP getting slower:-


    No you are not imagining it

    Those still running Windows XP are starting to notice that the software is actually slowing down. This defies a rule which says that software, running on machines that work, should keep running at the same speed that it did when it was born.

    According to Ars Technica the old operating system is working considerably worse than when it was released in 2001. It is especially slow if you are still using Internet Explorer 6 or 7. The culprit is the svchost.exe, which is chewing up the entire processor. Sometimes it can take an hour for a machine to return to normal.

    Redmond thinks that the problem is Windows Update. Machines using Windows Update retrieve patch information from Microsoft's servers. That patch information contains information about each patch: what software it applies to and what knowledge base article it relates to, and, critically, what historic patch or patches the current patch supersedes. Since Windows patches are cumulative a fresh install of Windows XP, does not need to install all of the dozens of Internet Explorer 6 patches sequentially; you can generally just install the latest patch, and it will include all the historic fixes because it supersedes the historic patches that introduced those fixes.

    But the Windows Update client components used an algorithm with exponential scaling when processing these lists. So while a new machine, that processing is almost instantaneous. On an elderly machine it is very slow.

    Microsoft thought that it had this problem fixed in November when it culled the supersedence lists. It tried again in December but that didn't seem to help either. It is probably better to scrap XP anyway.

    http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/33438-windows-xp-getting-slower
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