Not a chance especially if you want the optional HD 6670, look at the system requirements just for that card.
If I ever get around to building a pc it will have a minimum 500W PSU from a reputable company, maybe costing £50 or so not £10-15 for a 750W one.
I already use a 400W Corsair on a very lowly machine bought it (the PSU) about 5 years ago.
Scrimping on PSU's can prove very expensive in the long run.
Not a chance especially if you want the optional HD 6670, look at the system requirements just for that card.
If I ever get around to building a pc it will have a minimum 500W PSU from a reputable company, maybe costing £50 or so not £10-15 for a 750W one.
I already use a 400W Corsair on a very lowly machine bought it (the PSU) about 5 years ago.
Scrimping on PSU's can prove very expensive in the long run.
AMD have to say that to simply cover their arse (plenty of terrible PSUs out there) Trust me, computers can be built small and low power if you don't need the serious grunt from higher spec'd components. Laptops for example run off way less than 160w and they have displays too!
I use a 550w PSU that, when new, does a confirmed 45+ amps on the 12v, which is basically the entire 550w. Cheap and nasty PSUs using old designs will choke when asked for loads matching their inflated rating because they simply can't deliver the amps on the rails modern computers use a lot of, namely +12V.
Voltage will drop, increasing current, and things get cooked because they can't handle all the electrons, this happened to me many years ago (using a jeantech PSU) on the motherboard 20pin power connector, too much current and it burnt up one of the connections, I had to scrape the carbon off to get the PC to turn on It's why graphics cards have PCI-E power connections, and motherboards additional sata power connectors for multiple GPU setups (to take the load of the 24pin power), more wires sharing the load. Ripple will also sky rocket, causing system instability and crashes, and actual hardware damage to capacitors through the rapidly changing current.
As long as the 160w power supply is totally solid at 160w, providing the current as needed @ a stable voltage and minimal ripple, it will be fine and easily power a modest PC
As long as the 160w power supply is totally solid at 160w, providing the current as needed @ a stable voltage and minimal ripple, it will be fine and easily power a modest PC
The OP is talking about an ITX system so 160w in theory should be ample unless a meaty graphics card is going to be added. As you say though its a case of if it is a decent 160w PSU that can sustain it or not.
cmorris what are your plans mild gaming? video editing?
You can future proof for gaming with an AMD cpu I would not go any other way, depends what is the model of your Gigabyte to so we know what CPU it supports.
The OP is talking about an ITX system so 160w in theory should be ample unless a meaty graphics card is going to be added. As you say though its a case of if it is a decent 160w PSU that can sustain it or not.
Indeed, I'm not very trusting of unbranded/known bad power supplies that come with cases :P Plenty of good SFF power supplies if the OP needs one though....but they bought a motherboard before even knowing what CPU they are using...sigh
cmorris what are your plans mild gaming? video editing?
You can future proof for gaming with an AMD cpu I would not go any other way, depends what is the model of your Gigabyte to so we know what CPU it supports.
whats AMD got to do with future proofing a pc for games?
And you cant future proof it, as you have no idea what the future holds.
but really if Craig had half the brains he'd spend enough time working it out himself or doesn't his mum allow him access to cash without good reason? (aka some 3rd part advice like us)
but really if Craig had half the brains he'd spend enough time working it out himself or doesn't his mum allow him access to cash without good reason? (aka some 3rd part advice like us)
good point I would read reviews ect if I were looking, there is plenty of info online already and with a bit of common sense you can work things out for yourself!
whats AMD got to do with future proofing a pc for games?
And you cant future proof it, as you have no idea what the future holds.
Have a read about what the new consoles offer.
PS4 and Xbone are ran off AMD hardware, which means for better ports to PC using AMD cpu and gpu's and with the new Mantle it's exciting news for PC gamers.
Pointless poll, for highest performance choose one of the latest Intel chips, but for mid-range or lower then they are both equally good in different ways, though AMD tend to be the best option at the lower end (which is still fast enough for most people).
Personally I would favour Gigabyte over ASRock, but that is personal preference in general which is not based on any specific product from them you may be considering. There are also plenty of other mobo manufacturers out there worth looking at.
PS4 and Xbone are ran off AMD hardware, which means for better ports to PC using AMD cpu and gpu's and with the new Mantle it's exciting news for PC gamers.
The CPUs and GPUs in both those consoles are fairly low end compared with anything a new system builder would be looking at. The AMD GPU Mantle thing is interesting, along with TrueAudio if either of them are widely adopted, but at the same time they are a retrograde step as they are proprietary technologies which go totally against what makes the PC what it is.
nVidia is up to a similar thing with G-Sync which is a proprietary technology on its graphics cards which works with certain G-Sync equipped monitors to effectively directly link them and negate display lag. At least G-Sync should be independent of the game and they will work fine on non G-Sync cards and displays, but the fragmentation of the market is worrying.
If you played PC games in the mid to late 90's where it was normal to have to check whether the game supported your specific graphics hardware, you'll know the last thing PC gaming needs is AMD Mantle graphics support as it will lead to reduced reliability if developers have to maintain Mantle alongside a DirectX/OpenGL graphics codepath. Even if the consoles use Mantle, that doesn't mean the same code work perfectly on a PC with any of the supported AMD GPUs.
Of course the GPU's and CPU's are low in a console compared to high end PC otherwise the PS4 and Xbox 1 would be £800+ they have a GPU around the 7870 which is fine.
Budget and performance with AMD along side working with the consoles is a great step, and hoping it will provide better ports and performance, all we can do is wait and see
Anyway we don't know what the OP wants and I think he doesn't know
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i3-4130
MSI H87M-G43
8GB 1.35v VLP Samsung Green Ram
Seagate ST2000DM001
Samsung 840 Evo 250GB
Sapphire HD 6670/7730 <---optional
2x system fans, low speed.
should come in at under 160 watts full load
If I ever get around to building a pc it will have a minimum 500W PSU from a reputable company, maybe costing £50 or so not £10-15 for a 750W one.
I already use a 400W Corsair on a very lowly machine bought it (the PSU) about 5 years ago.
Scrimping on PSU's can prove very expensive in the long run.
Well at least its up to 5-5-5-5 now!
AMD have to say that to simply cover their arse (plenty of terrible PSUs out there) Trust me, computers can be built small and low power if you don't need the serious grunt from higher spec'd components. Laptops for example run off way less than 160w and they have displays too!
I use a 550w PSU that, when new, does a confirmed 45+ amps on the 12v, which is basically the entire 550w. Cheap and nasty PSUs using old designs will choke when asked for loads matching their inflated rating because they simply can't deliver the amps on the rails modern computers use a lot of, namely +12V.
Voltage will drop, increasing current, and things get cooked because they can't handle all the electrons, this happened to me many years ago (using a jeantech PSU) on the motherboard 20pin power connector, too much current and it burnt up one of the connections, I had to scrape the carbon off to get the PC to turn on It's why graphics cards have PCI-E power connections, and motherboards additional sata power connectors for multiple GPU setups (to take the load of the 24pin power), more wires sharing the load. Ripple will also sky rocket, causing system instability and crashes, and actual hardware damage to capacitors through the rapidly changing current.
As long as the 160w power supply is totally solid at 160w, providing the current as needed @ a stable voltage and minimal ripple, it will be fine and easily power a modest PC
Consult the manual online for the motherboard it will tell you whats supported and what isn't
You can future proof for gaming with an AMD cpu I would not go any other way, depends what is the model of your Gigabyte to so we know what CPU it supports.
Why would you buy a motherboard before knowing what processor you want?
Indeed, I'm not very trusting of unbranded/known bad power supplies that come with cases :P Plenty of good SFF power supplies if the OP needs one though....but they bought a motherboard before even knowing what CPU they are using...sigh
They should just pay someone who knows what they are doing to build something for them.
whats AMD got to do with future proofing a pc for games?
And you cant future proof it, as you have no idea what the future holds.
OK Hands up, whos messed the poll up?
The op gets paid by other people to do their IT stuff...he even claims to teach
yes who made it 6-5-5-5?
not me i made it 5-5-5-5
but really if Craig had half the brains he'd spend enough time working it out himself or doesn't his mum allow him access to cash without good reason? (aka some 3rd part advice like us)
good point I would read reviews ect if I were looking, there is plenty of info online already and with a bit of common sense you can work things out for yourself!
it looks like its been done as its now 6-6-6-6! whos for 7-7-7-7?
Have a read about what the new consoles offer.
PS4 and Xbone are ran off AMD hardware, which means for better ports to PC using AMD cpu and gpu's and with the new Mantle it's exciting news for PC gamers.
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-mantle-api-gcn-battlefield-4,24418.html
Personally I would favour Gigabyte over ASRock, but that is personal preference in general which is not based on any specific product from them you may be considering. There are also plenty of other mobo manufacturers out there worth looking at.
The CPUs and GPUs in both those consoles are fairly low end compared with anything a new system builder would be looking at. The AMD GPU Mantle thing is interesting, along with TrueAudio if either of them are widely adopted, but at the same time they are a retrograde step as they are proprietary technologies which go totally against what makes the PC what it is.
nVidia is up to a similar thing with G-Sync which is a proprietary technology on its graphics cards which works with certain G-Sync equipped monitors to effectively directly link them and negate display lag. At least G-Sync should be independent of the game and they will work fine on non G-Sync cards and displays, but the fragmentation of the market is worrying.
If you played PC games in the mid to late 90's where it was normal to have to check whether the game supported your specific graphics hardware, you'll know the last thing PC gaming needs is AMD Mantle graphics support as it will lead to reduced reliability if developers have to maintain Mantle alongside a DirectX/OpenGL graphics codepath. Even if the consoles use Mantle, that doesn't mean the same code work perfectly on a PC with any of the supported AMD GPUs.
Budget and performance with AMD along side working with the consoles is a great step, and hoping it will provide better ports and performance, all we can do is wait and see
Anyway we don't know what the OP wants and I think he doesn't know
looks like we need another 3 people to make it 7-7-7-7 now!:D