This is the most tragic case of the boy who cried wolf.
I agree. She may never have lied about Katy but because she had a reputation ffor lying and pulling emotional blackmail stunts to get her own way (usually to keep Freddit) everybody was willing to believe the 'easiest' optioo when there was nothing obviously wrong with her. Sadly MbyP does exist and medical professional do have to look out for it and if Sinead had agreed to be checked out by Psych they'd probably have seen she was sane but she refused to be evaluated. And whilst I understand why she did it, putting the blood I the nappy was an incredibly stupid thing to do.
Great ep, once again Stephanie Davis was brilliant.
The Doctors may have done the check but Lindsey immediate response to Katy's health was to say she was poisoned surely as a Doctor you would be wary of medical conditions that could cause high sodium levels. They didn't have proof and already gave their verdict.
Exactly! Well said! Another clear indication of them judging stereotypically was that they still let Katy stay with Diane unchecked even after drugs were found in their house by police! Clear proof of Diane and Tony putting the kids in danger. There was no clear proof of Sinead putting Katy in harms way yet she is treated like a criminal and Diane not. I wonder why the lack of consistency?
I'm not being absurd. Nor did I say she should be blindly believed. I think you've misread. I said she wasn't given the benefit of the doubt. That isn't the same thing.
I can see matters from the 'other side of the coin' easily.
As for your first point, there is ample evidence of class stratification with regards to NHS treatment, referrals and so on. I only say what's true, I don't deny what isn't by proclaiming things I don't want to be true as 'nonsense'. Gotta live in the real world, i'm afraid.
Given the benefit of the doubt by... blindly believing that she is telling the truth, despite no symptoms presenting themselves when in hospital care, ignoring the faking of symptoms and putting the child through potentially unnecessary tests?
Gotta live in the real world? Like believing that a doctor would ignore a mother faking their child's symptoms simply because they're middle class and well-educated? Yeah, that's a good one. And yes, there is class stratification in the NHS, but that tends to be based around location, funding, contacts in the service itself, etc. not simply on doctors ignoring patients' concerns because of their age/class etc as you're suggesting.
Anyway, wasn't middle-class, well-educated Nancy locked up in a nuthouse for supposedly kidnapping her children? But I'm confused, surely the doctors would have simply glossed over that because of her accent?
I don't understand, why so many people consider Sinead as Lower class? She's headmaster's daughter and has done very well at school herself, was going to uni. Middle-class Nancy is not much older then Sinead and had painkillers addiction.
Given the benefit of the doubt by... blindly believing that she is telling the truth, despite no symptoms presenting themselves when in hospital care, ignoring the faking of symptoms and putting the child through potentially unnecessary tests?
Gotta live in the real world? Like believing that a doctor would ignore a mother faking their child's symptoms simply because they're middle class and well-educated? Yeah, that's a good one. And yes, there is class stratification in the NHS, but that tends to be based around location, funding, contacts in the service itself, etc. not simply on doctors ignoring patients' concerns because of their age/class etc as you're suggesting.
Anyway, wasn't middle-class, well-educated Nancy locked up in a nuthouse for supposedly kidnapping her children? But I'm confused, surely the doctors would have simply glossed over that because of her accent?
No you're incorrect about that. That's what is referred to as the inverse care system or the postcode lottery.
We also have evidence (I say we, some people who do research) of patients being more commonly referred to specialist and given more treatment, time etc. when they are white and middle class and reasonably aged and also if they are men. The suggestion is that Doctors take more seriously those who are perceived to have more 'social capital'. There may also be the issue that some people, due to various types of privillage i.e. class, race etc. are just better at working the system and find it easier to express themselves. A big part of it is location, obviously, its not the only part.
Like I said, I don't kid myself into thinking everyone is treated equally when I know differently. It would be like being complicit with inequality and prejudice.
Again, blindly believing and giving the benefit of the doubt really don't mean the same thing but we'll have to disagree on that one.
Well, the Nancy situation was different. To be honest, I can't remember the ins and outs of it but I do recall that Sinead never put Katy into a car and drove dangerously while high on pain-killers. I also recall that no one suggested bringing in social services to take Oscar away from Nancy while she was looking after him while high.
If I could ask, could you please not refer to a psychiatric hospital as a 'nuthouse'? I know its a colloquialism but its not nice for those of us who have people with severe mental illness in our lives. I've probably said it myself in the past but i've realised its very stigmatising.
I don't understand, why so many people consider Sinead as Lower class? She's headmaster's daughter and has done very well at school herself, was going to uni. Middle-class Nancy is not much older then Sinead and had painkillers addiction.
I don't consider anyone lower-class, I consider people working class when they are poor.
We base class status, in this country, on occupation. As Sinead is unemployed, she would be consider class VII which is the lowest.
I agree she was raised middle class but now she's an adult and she has gone down the class ladder. Its called social mobility.
Well hopefully she will go back to college or something. She wanted to be a vet, didn't she?
Yes, she did, but I can't see that happening now. They didn't kill Katy off so that Sinead could go back to studying and have a solid career. It's to free her up for all sorts of adventures and misadventures. The programme makers love a pregnancy - it's a dramatic plot device - and they forget at that point that babies are a bit of a bind, in dramatic terms.
Yes, she did, but I can't see that happening now. They didn't kill Katy off so that Sinead could go back to studying and have a solid career. It's to free her up for all sorts of adventures and misadventures. The programme makers love a pregnancy - it's a dramatic plot device - and they forget at that point that babies are a bit of a bind, in dramatic terms.
Yeah, you're probably right. Hollyoaks do far too many pregnancy storylines.
Not the one she was at before. I don't think any would take her because of what she did and how she acted after. And rightly so.
Oh yes, she shouldn't be allowed back to the school - but she'd be too old now anyway. But i'm sure that she could go to college somewhere and do an access course or something.
Yeah, you're probably right. Hollyoaks do far too many pregnancy storylines.
Oh yes, she shouldn't be allowed back to the school - but she'd be too old now anyway. But i'm sure that she could go to college somewhere and do an access course or something.
I don't know. Think this storyline could lead her to becoming a stronger person and rebuilding her life or hitting rock bottom. I don't think she will do any thing educational unless it's off screen.
I don't know. Think this storyline could lead her to becoming a stronger person and rebuilding her life or hitting rock bottom. I don't think she will do any thing educational unless it's off screen.
No, I doubt she will. I was just thinking out loud really.
For months Diane supported Sinead and Sinead treated her like garbage, insulted her, accused her etc.
Sinead even destroyed Diane's wedding and tried to get her banged up just a week or two ago.
But we're all meant to suddenly forget all that (sadly, it seems judging from the above comments that many have) and start cheering on Sinead for blaming Diane for Katy's death?
Unbelievable.
Was she meant to believe the doctors or the girl that she caught planting blood in her daughter's nappy? The girl who helped drive one of her friends to suicide? The girl who helped Freddie cover up Joe's "murder" and allowed Lyndsey to abort her baby as a result?
Are we really meant to be cheering Sinead on?
It's just the Mercedes McQueen situation all over again. The producers expect us to gloss over all the despicable things she's done and be on her side all of a sudden.
Well, I don't buy it.
How many times has Diane kicked Sinead out? Called social services on her?
She stopped her seeing her daughter, using social services as the excuse because she believed others over her own step daughter.
Sinead ruined the wedding because again her step mother had slammed a door in her face, the drugs in the flat ruined the wedding.
Sinead has been a horrible cow in the past, but in terms of Katy everything she did was to get her daughter treated, to get money to raise her and finally in an attempt to see her.
It's not difficult to realize she's a horrible person for what she did to Esther but also feel terribly sorry for her that everyone turned their backs on her and as a result her daughter, the only person in her life who hadn't let her down, and who she has tried so hard to not let down herself, is now dead and she's had to grieve alone.
Stephanie Davis has really come into her own in these episodes. Whether she gets Best Actress or not, her performance was really powerful and truly impressive. As much as I complain about Hollyoaks, Sinead's storyline has been the one shining light.
I never knew she was 21 until I read her interview, Stephanie's an amazing actress. She also comes across like a lovely person, I loved reading her interview I hope she wins at the BSA. I'm not a fan of Sinead but Stephanie has pulled off amazing performances and I think she deserves it.
Gotta give props to Stephanie Davies, during the bullying story my blood would literally boil whenever she was on screen, and I was made up when it all came crashing down around her. So the fact that this storyline has made me feel for Sinead in the way that I do now is testament to this girls extrordinary talent. After reading this thread I can see both sides of the argument, yes there were concerns about Katy's welfare after Sinead was caught with the nappy, and if they genuinely thought the baby was at risk then yes she should have put in care, she shouldn't however have been put with her relatives who live round the corner that is putting too much of an emotional strain on both mother and child, if that was the only alternative however then the visitation situation should have been a lot more relaxed (longer time, still supervised), Freddie did say to Lindsey that she shouldn't have been working that day due to her own emotional state. The whole thing could have been avoided if Lindsey had just asked Sinead did her family have any history of heart diesease, or any hereditary illnesses, if Sinead said no then Lindsey could have asked about Katy's father and I'm assuming Katy's birth certificate says father unknown/ or Sinead could have discreetly given Lindsey Rhys's name. Also, I hope Diane never recieves forgivness, if my mother had me dragged away from dying daughter in handcuffs the way she did I would never speak to her again.
Not the one she was at before. I don't think any would take her because of what she did and how she acted after. And rightly so.
everyone has a right to an education so she would without a doubt get into college. They take people of all ages from all kinds of backgrounds. Ex prisoners have a right to an education if they choose to.
I doubt the writers will go down that route thought, they will probably have her back into prostitution by the end of year because they don't know what else that can do with her.
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I agree. She may never have lied about Katy but because she had a reputation ffor lying and pulling emotional blackmail stunts to get her own way (usually to keep Freddit) everybody was willing to believe the 'easiest' optioo when there was nothing obviously wrong with her. Sadly MbyP does exist and medical professional do have to look out for it and if Sinead had agreed to be checked out by Psych they'd probably have seen she was sane but she refused to be evaluated. And whilst I understand why she did it, putting the blood I the nappy was an incredibly stupid thing to do.
Diane is just awful as well though.
Exactly! Well said! Another clear indication of them judging stereotypically was that they still let Katy stay with Diane unchecked even after drugs were found in their house by police! Clear proof of Diane and Tony putting the kids in danger. There was no clear proof of Sinead putting Katy in harms way yet she is treated like a criminal and Diane not. I wonder why the lack of consistency?
Given the benefit of the doubt by... blindly believing that she is telling the truth, despite no symptoms presenting themselves when in hospital care, ignoring the faking of symptoms and putting the child through potentially unnecessary tests?
Gotta live in the real world? Like believing that a doctor would ignore a mother faking their child's symptoms simply because they're middle class and well-educated? Yeah, that's a good one. And yes, there is class stratification in the NHS, but that tends to be based around location, funding, contacts in the service itself, etc. not simply on doctors ignoring patients' concerns because of their age/class etc as you're suggesting.
Anyway, wasn't middle-class, well-educated Nancy locked up in a nuthouse for supposedly kidnapping her children? But I'm confused, surely the doctors would have simply glossed over that because of her accent?
ETA - Anna_W just beat me to it.
No you're incorrect about that. That's what is referred to as the inverse care system or the postcode lottery.
We also have evidence (I say we, some people who do research) of patients being more commonly referred to specialist and given more treatment, time etc. when they are white and middle class and reasonably aged and also if they are men. The suggestion is that Doctors take more seriously those who are perceived to have more 'social capital'. There may also be the issue that some people, due to various types of privillage i.e. class, race etc. are just better at working the system and find it easier to express themselves. A big part of it is location, obviously, its not the only part.
Like I said, I don't kid myself into thinking everyone is treated equally when I know differently. It would be like being complicit with inequality and prejudice.
Again, blindly believing and giving the benefit of the doubt really don't mean the same thing but we'll have to disagree on that one.
Well, the Nancy situation was different. To be honest, I can't remember the ins and outs of it but I do recall that Sinead never put Katy into a car and drove dangerously while high on pain-killers. I also recall that no one suggested bringing in social services to take Oscar away from Nancy while she was looking after him while high.
If I could ask, could you please not refer to a psychiatric hospital as a 'nuthouse'? I know its a colloquialism but its not nice for those of us who have people with severe mental illness in our lives. I've probably said it myself in the past but i've realised its very stigmatising.
I don't consider anyone lower-class, I consider people working class when they are poor.
We base class status, in this country, on occupation. As Sinead is unemployed, she would be consider class VII which is the lowest.
I agree she was raised middle class but now she's an adult and she has gone down the class ladder. Its called social mobility.
Sinead is quite a tragic character in a way because she had the means to have a pretty decent life but destroyed it for herself.
Well hopefully she will go back to college or something. She wanted to be a vet, didn't she?
She cant because she was expelled for bullying Esther. So no Uni would take her
A college would take her surely? I don't think they'd even ask about her school, just her qualifications to date.
Not the one she was at before. I don't think any would take her because of what she did and how she acted after. And rightly so.
Yeah, you're probably right. Hollyoaks do far too many pregnancy storylines.
Oh yes, she shouldn't be allowed back to the school - but she'd be too old now anyway. But i'm sure that she could go to college somewhere and do an access course or something.
I don't know. Think this storyline could lead her to becoming a stronger person and rebuilding her life or hitting rock bottom. I don't think she will do any thing educational unless it's off screen.
No, I doubt she will. I was just thinking out loud really.
She is brilliant, but it will be someone off EE again...
How many times has Diane kicked Sinead out? Called social services on her?
She stopped her seeing her daughter, using social services as the excuse because she believed others over her own step daughter.
Sinead ruined the wedding because again her step mother had slammed a door in her face, the drugs in the flat ruined the wedding.
Sinead has been a horrible cow in the past, but in terms of Katy everything she did was to get her daughter treated, to get money to raise her and finally in an attempt to see her.
It's not difficult to realize she's a horrible person for what she did to Esther but also feel terribly sorry for her that everyone turned their backs on her and as a result her daughter, the only person in her life who hadn't let her down, and who she has tried so hard to not let down herself, is now dead and she's had to grieve alone.
everyone has a right to an education so she would without a doubt get into college. They take people of all ages from all kinds of backgrounds. Ex prisoners have a right to an education if they choose to.
I doubt the writers will go down that route thought, they will probably have her back into prostitution by the end of year because they don't know what else that can do with her.