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Simple transport improvements at limited cost - please list

radio4extracrapradio4extracrap Posts: 2,933
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There are plenty that could help transport links and provide employment to British infrastructure workers and train workers, here goes:

Extend Witham/Braintree line to Stansted Airport (linking to Peterborough/London)
Extend Central line from Epping through Ongar onto Brentwood
Extend District Line from Upminster to Cranham

I'd welcome the return of pan-London express bus services (improving journey times, by not having to stop every three hundred yards).

Please add suggestions for your area, I am sure there are many opportunities.
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    jmclaughjmclaugh Posts: 63,999
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    Cancel HS2 and spend the money elsewhere on the rail network.
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    Richard1960Richard1960 Posts: 20,344
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    The de-regulation of busses in 1986 is a disaster.

    Insist that any company taking over honours weekly and monthly bus passes now and into the future.
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    radio4extracrapradio4extracrap Posts: 2,933
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    jmclaugh wrote: »
    Cancel HS2 and spend the money elsewhere on the rail network.

    Too right.
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    Richard1960Richard1960 Posts: 20,344
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    jmclaugh wrote: »
    Cancel HS2 and spend the money elsewhere on the rail network.

    I also agree with that.
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    spiney2spiney2 Posts: 27,058
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    stop wasting money on crossrail. turn existing tunnel into a bicycle route.
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    tim59tim59 Posts: 47,188
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    jmclaugh wrote: »
    Cancel HS2 and spend the money elsewhere on the rail network.

    I agree 100%
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    jjwalesjjwales Posts: 48,574
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    jmclaugh wrote: »
    Cancel HS2 and spend the money elsewhere on the rail network.

    How would you deal with the lack of capacity on the West Coast Mainline?
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    jmclaughjmclaugh Posts: 63,999
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    jjwales wrote: »
    How would you deal with the lack of capacity on the West Coast Mainline?

    Not through HS2. I'm more interested in spending £43b in a way that impacts the lives of large numbers of railway commuters and not a scheme that will if you are lucky in 2026 get a small number of those users from London to Birmingham and back slightly faster.
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    jjwalesjjwales Posts: 48,574
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    jmclaugh wrote: »
    Not through HS2.
    There doesn't seem to be an alternative though, except perhaps by building a new line that isn't HS.
    I'm more interested in spending £43b in a way that impacts the lives of large numbers of railway commuters and not a scheme that will if you are lucky in 2026 get a small number of those users to Birmingham slightly faster.
    The primary purpose of HS2 is not to get to Brum a bit faster!
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    jmclaughjmclaugh Posts: 63,999
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    jjwales wrote: »
    There doesn't seem to be an alternative though, except perhaps by building a new line that isn't HS.

    I've no idea, the solution seems to be HS2 now what was the problem.
    The primary purpose of HS2 is not to get to Brum a bit faster!

    Well they shouldn't mention it when asked what the benefits are then and afaik it will do very little else than take you from London to Birmingham.

    Anyway I see you ignored the main point of post.
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    MagnamundianMagnamundian Posts: 2,359
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    jjwales wrote: »
    How would you deal with the lack of capacity on the West Coast Mainline?

    Reopen the Great Central Main Line with services from Manchester and Sheffield to London bypassing Birmingham.

    Thus releasing capacity on West Coast Main Line which can have a more Birmingham to London focus.

    In fact "West Coast" should use the old Great Central Main Line from Manchester to London and the existing "West Coast" south of Manchester would become a Grand Midlands Line instead.

    Travellers to the (North) West Coast and Glasgow / West Scotland shouldn't be routed through the nations second city (Birmingham) in the first place.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Central_Main_Line
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    bobcarbobcar Posts: 19,424
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    jmclaugh wrote: »
    I've no idea, the solution seems to be HS2 now what was the problem.



    Well they shouldn't mention it when asked what the benefits are then.

    Anyway I see you ignored the main point of post.

    That's one of the benefits so they should mention it. The main benefit though is increased capacity, there is no cheap and easy way to get this.
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    jmclaughjmclaugh Posts: 63,999
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    bobcar wrote: »
    That's one of the benefits so they should mention it. The main benefit though is increased capacity, there is no cheap and easy way to get this.

    Increased capacity on the WCML isn't the be and end all for spending £43b on the rail network. There are millions of commuters paying sky high fares who are crammed into trains day in day out who this £43b will do absoluely diddly squat for.
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    smudges dadsmudges dad Posts: 36,989
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    Rebuild some of the old Beeching lines, e.g Dunblane to Crianlarich, Aviemore to Keith via Grantown. Maybe the old trans-Pennine route along side the A66.

    Reinstall freight handling facilities in many towns, if possible run spur lines into supermarkets / factories to take lorries of the roads. Put in a light transit system in Aberdeen so trains can get to the terminals. Look at rebuilding the Yorkshire coastal route Redcar to Whitby and Scarborough.

    [rant on] For roads, educate drives on how to drive on narrow and twisty roads so the pull over and let faster cars pass - I'm sick of bloody tourists slowing down to 20mph on corners because they have never learnt to drive, especially those in camper vans!!! [rant off]
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    Evo102Evo102 Posts: 13,630
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    Amazing how this thread has gone from 'simple transport improvements at limited cost' to national capital rail expenditure with the simple mention of the acronym 'HS2'.

    Simple improvements :-

    - Allow left turns at red traffic lights for all vehicles, with drivers having to treat them as give-way signs.

    - Review and then scrap most dedicated bus lanes outside of city centres, they are invariably under used, do not speed up journeys and simply reduce road space.

    - Stop the recent trend of removing roundabouts and either replacing them with traffic lights or leaving the roundabout and adding lights to the them, it increases congestion.

    - Locally, the government should purchase Midland Expressway Ltd the loss making operators of the M6 Toll and make the road toll free to ease congestion on the M6 and other midland motorways.
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    MagnamundianMagnamundian Posts: 2,359
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    Evo102 wrote: »
    Amazing how this thread has gone from 'simple transport improvements at limited cost' to national capital rail expenditure with the simple mention of the acronym 'HS2'.

    Simple improvements :-

    - Allow left turns at red traffic lights for all vehicles, with drivers having to treat them as give-way signs.

    - Review and then scrap most dedicated bus lanes outside of city centres, they are invariably under used, do not speed up journeys and simply reduce road space.

    - Stop the recent trend of removing roundabouts and either replacing them with traffic lights or leaving the roundabout and adding lights to the them, it increases congestion.

    - Locally, the government should purchase Midland Expressway Ltd the loss making operators of the M6 Toll and make the road toll free to ease congestion on the M6 and other midland motorways.

    If we're going that small...

    Change all pedestrian crossings so that they work on a strict timer instead of 'coincidentally' activating when all the cars have gone and there is already a gap in the traffic.

    Either that or don't add them in the first place, if they won't seriously help people across the road what's the point of them in the first place.
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    Nick1966Nick1966 Posts: 15,742
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    The de-regulation of busses in 1986 is a disaster..

    Agreed. Thankfully the Conservatives weren't stupid enough to de-regulate buses in London. Outside London, bus passenger numbers have declined. Inside, bus passenger numbers have increased.
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    northantsgirlnorthantsgirl Posts: 4,663
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    Nick1966 wrote: »
    Agreed. Thankfully the Conservatives weren't stupid enough to de-regulate buses in London. Outside London, bus passenger numbers have declined. Inside, bus passenger numbers have increased.

    And that's why we still have deregulation. London is ok so the disaster elsewhere is ignored.
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    northantsgirlnorthantsgirl Posts: 4,663
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    jmclaugh wrote: »
    Increased capacity on the WCML isn't the be and end all for spending £43b on the rail network. There are millions of commuters paying sky high fares who are crammed into trains day in day out who this £43b will do absoluely diddly squat for.

    I think the commuters who use the full up WCML will disagree.
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    LakieLadyLakieLady Posts: 19,722
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    Re-open the Lewes-Uckfield line, which will create an alternative route to London from Sussex and ease congestion on the hideously overcrowded Brighton. line.

    Just renationalising buses and railways would be pretty good, actually. Then reduce fares to a level that actually makes public transport cheaper than going by car.

    Tomorrow I'm working in Eastbourne, 20 miles from where I live and only 2 stops by train (5 if you get the slow one). It's £12 return and it only costs £6 in petrol to drive. The trains and buses don't go at the right times, so it takes twice as long as driving. Taking the car's a no-brainer, but it really shouldn't be cheaper for one person to drive a 40-mile round trip than to get the train.
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    MeepersMeepers Posts: 5,502
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    Proper air con and lighting at Birmingham New Street. Whilst it wouldnt improve time/passenger numbers, it would be incredibly cheap, and the effect of experience for millions would be huge.
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    andyknandykn Posts: 66,849
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    Too right.
    jmclaugh wrote: »
    Cancel HS2 and spend the money elsewhere on the rail network.

    Yeah, fabulous idea, get more people on the rail network, whose central spine won't even be able to cope with projected increases without any more improvements.
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    radio4extracrapradio4extracrap Posts: 2,933
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    andykn wrote: »
    Yeah, fabulous idea, get more people on the rail network, whose central spine won't even be able to cope with projected increases without any more improvements.

    Getaway with ya! Your so called central spine is not touched by the majority of rail users.
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    northantsgirlnorthantsgirl Posts: 4,663
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    Getaway with ya! Your so called central spine is not touched by the majority of rail users.

    What's more important in the grand scheme of things- relieving the busiest rail line in Europe or ensuring people from Witham can get to Stansted direct by train?
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    Old Man 43Old Man 43 Posts: 6,214
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    Reopen the Great Central Main Line with services from Manchester and Sheffield to London bypassing Birmingham.

    Thus releasing capacity on West Coast Main Line which can have a more Birmingham to London focus.

    In fact "West Coast" should use the old Great Central Main Line from Manchester to London and the existing "West Coast" south of Manchester would become a Grand Midlands Line instead.

    Travellers to the (North) West Coast and Glasgow / West Scotland shouldn't be routed through the nations second city (Birmingham) in the first place.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Central_Main_Line

    So where in London, Sheffield & Manchester would you terminate the trains.

    Remember the lines into the previous terminus stations are now heavily used by other services.

    The Point of HS2 is to remove all the Inter-City Express services on the WCML, MML & ECML.

    Then Network Rail can put more long distance stopping services, commuter services, cross country services and Fright services on those lines.

    To achieve the above any other way is likely to cost more than HS2.
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