Me too. I hate the VW it's so repetitive but Artem's VWs are exquisite, I don't care how much it has in hold I get carried away with the beauty of it all and the story he usually produces in a VW. Utterly, utterly mesmerising.
I really enjoyed it but it was a Smooth not a VW. A VW should be repetitive (if that's what you mean about being in hold and maintaining rotation) - that's how you demonstrate the technique required. If the judges are going to criticize others (Iveta) for not doing the allocated discipline, then the same rules should apply to Artem. He gets away with murder week after week and there's a lot less excuse for him than others who don't have partners up to learning proper choreography.
I found it odd that Natalie was told she was magic when she hardly produced any Viennese Waltz in her routine and then Mark was told he didn't do enough Paso in his routine
Totally agree! I am baffled by the judges sometimes
I really enjoyed it but it was a Smooth not a VW. A VW should be repetitive (if that's what you mean about being in hold and maintaining rotation) - that's how you demonstrate the technique required. If the judges are going to criticize others (Iveta) for not doing the allocated discipline, then the same rules should apply to Artem. He gets away with murder week after week and there's a lot less excuse for him than others who don't have partners up to learning proper choreography.
agree - they were out of hold most of the time and didn't deserve any 10s
Me too. I hate the VW it's so repetitive but Artem's VWs are exquisite, I don't care how much it has in hold I get carried away with the beauty of it all and the story he usually produces in a VW. Utterly, utterly mesmerising.
I love a proper VW, they are mesmerising and utterly beautiful
Beautifully danced by Natalie, but not a VW. It was an AS VW. So I don't think it could have had a perfect score. Unlike some people, I think it is correct that the celeb is penalised for the pro's choreography. If you dance disallowed steps in a pro am comp you get disqualified and so docking a mark is actually quite lenient.
it was a lovely dance, beautifully executed. i have noticed that although the judges comment briefly sometimes on adherence to style, they are less likely to deduct marks than they used to be a few years ago, so on performance they deserved their place at the top of the leaderboard, including some (but not all) 10s
although i have to say the dance i actually enjoyed the most was patrick's.
Artistic, yes, but not nearly enough Viennese Waltzing (I mean, there was barely ANY at all). Ergo not worthy of a 10 (but probably deserved to be top of the leaderboard given what all the other dances were like).
Natalie Lowe & Scott Maslen showed, on Halloween night, that a proper Viennese Waltz, whilst repetitive, needn't be boring. It can be utterly spellbinding. Artem had to rely on all the extra stuff to create the same magic. I don't think he's quite the master choreographer he's made out to be sometimes.
considering she only did a few bars of actually Viennese waltz I thought the 10's were generous
Beautiful - yes, absolutely
A Viennese waltz - no, more like an American smooth, too much out of hold, I totally agreed with Len on this one
10's were more than generous considering that they did NOT dance a Viennese Waltz. American Smooth maybe but Viennese waltz - No Way.
Therefore 10's should not have been given nor 9's as they were supposed to judge and mark a Viennese Waltz not anything else.
10's were more than generous considering that they did NOT dance a Viennese Waltz. American Smooth maybe but Viennese waltz - No Way.
Therefore 10's should not have been given nor 9's as they were supposed to judge and mark a Viennese Waltz not anything else.
I would add to this that it still shouldn't have been a 10 even if it had been a VW AS - there were no lifts so it was lacking in content for an AS.
10's were more than generous considering that they did NOT dance a Viennese Waltz. American Smooth maybe but Viennese waltz - No Way.
Therefore 10's should not have been given nor 9's as they were supposed to judge and mark a Viennese Waltz not anything else.
erm, yep, that's basically what I said!! Not sure why you are quoting me when we are practically saying the same thing
Artistic, yes, but not nearly enough Viennese Waltzing (I mean, there was barely ANY at all). Ergo not worthy of a 10 (but probably deserved to be top of the leaderboard given what all the other dances were like).
Natalie Lowe & Scott Maslen showed, on Halloween night, that a proper Viennese Waltz, whilst repetitive, needn't be boring. It can be utterly spellbinding. Artem had to rely on all the extra stuff to create the same magic. I don't think he's quite the master choreographer he's made out to be sometimes.
Also the pro VW done in Blackpool a few series ago, utterly spellbinding
Well, it certainly wasn't a VW as there was hardly any VW in it.
I was commenting as others have that it had the character of a VW based AS rather than a VW and hence not deserving of a 10 as a VW but I would go further and say it wouldn't be worthy of a 10 as a VW AS either.
Certainly wasn't a Viennese waltz beautifully danced but not worth 10's. She is by far the best dancer but if I am being honest I don't enjoy watching her dances, yes she gets the steps right and yes she uses her acting skills to characterise them but there is just something missing for me
I thought it was beautiful and beautifully danced.
I do think some of the pros, especially with the VW get a bit ansty about the viewers potentially finding it boring hence all the 'faffing about'. We've seen in the past that they've put lifts in where they're not meant to be and it seems like a calculated risk to lose a few judges marks in hope of getting the audience on side and being more memorable.
Artistic, yes, but not nearly enough Viennese Waltzing (I mean, there was barely ANY at all). Ergo not worthy of a 10 (but probably deserved to be top of the leaderboard given what all the other dances were like).
Natalie Lowe & Scott Maslen showed, on Halloween night, that a proper Viennese Waltz, whilst repetitive, needn't be boring. It can be utterly spellbinding. Artem had to rely on all the extra stuff to create the same magic. I don't think he's quite the master choreographer he's made out to be sometimes.
This wasn't a Viennese waltz. No matter how beautiful (I tend to disagree on that anyway), about 60 -70 % was out of hold. There wasn't the rotation or much of the waltzing going around at all. It was more like a show dance, minus the lifts. Not happy.
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I really enjoyed it but it was a Smooth not a VW. A VW should be repetitive (if that's what you mean about being in hold and maintaining rotation) - that's how you demonstrate the technique required. If the judges are going to criticize others (Iveta) for not doing the allocated discipline, then the same rules should apply to Artem. He gets away with murder week after week and there's a lot less excuse for him than others who don't have partners up to learning proper choreography.
Totally agree! I am baffled by the judges sometimes
agree - they were out of hold most of the time and didn't deserve any 10s
I love a proper VW, they are mesmerising and utterly beautiful
although i have to say the dance i actually enjoyed the most was patrick's.
Don't remember a single one but still remember Artem & Holly's amazing lamppost VW.
I don't tend to remember dances though, my mind wipes at the end of every series.
Natalie Lowe & Scott Maslen showed, on Halloween night, that a proper Viennese Waltz, whilst repetitive, needn't be boring. It can be utterly spellbinding. Artem had to rely on all the extra stuff to create the same magic. I don't think he's quite the master choreographer he's made out to be sometimes.
me too. for the dances and the contestants. its probably for the best. imaging carrying most of that lot around in your memory for ever...:eek:
I agree!
10's were more than generous considering that they did NOT dance a Viennese Waltz. American Smooth maybe but Viennese waltz - No Way.
Therefore 10's should not have been given nor 9's as they were supposed to judge and mark a Viennese Waltz not anything else.
I would add to this that it still shouldn't have been a 10 even if it had been a VW AS - there were no lifts so it was lacking in content for an AS.
erm, yep, that's basically what I said!! Not sure why you are quoting me when we are practically saying the same thing
BIB Er......it wasn't a VW AS
Also the pro VW done in Blackpool a few series ago, utterly spellbinding
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMMS6AG5_e0
Well, it certainly wasn't a VW as there was hardly any VW in it.
I was commenting as others have that it had the character of a VW based AS rather than a VW and hence not deserving of a 10 as a VW but I would go further and say it wouldn't be worthy of a 10 as a VW AS either.
I do think some of the pros, especially with the VW get a bit ansty about the viewers potentially finding it boring hence all the 'faffing about'. We've seen in the past that they've put lifts in where they're not meant to be and it seems like a calculated risk to lose a few judges marks in hope of getting the audience on side and being more memorable.
totally agree sid
I think it deserved to top the leaderboard, with at least the first 10 of the current series, but I'd hoped for more.
Anyone else notice how 'careful' Artem is around Natalie? I hope that's a good sign for him and Kara (who looked really good in the audience tonight).