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BBC WS - "revolution" through cheaper DRM

Phil DoddPhil Dodd Posts: 3,975
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This from an article retweeted on Twitter at 5:19 this morning. People in India will be able to listen to the BBC WS thanks to cheaper DRM. Also India's domestic radio service is building one medium wave digital station every fortnight.

Seems as though DRM could be on the up ? A good thing if it offers more choice to everyone ?

See what you think at :

https://audioboo.fm/boos/2075026-digital-shortwave-a-radio-revolution

By clicking on the white arrow in the round grey circle, it plays a report by Mark Whittaker to "BBC World Business" ( 7.56 long, MP3 format )

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    Phil DoddPhil Dodd Posts: 3,975
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    Phil Dodd wrote: »
    This from an article retweeted on Twitter at 5:19 this morning. People in India will be able to listen to the BBC WS thanks to cheaper DRM. Also India's domestic radio service is building one medium wave digital station every fortnight.

    Seems as though DRM could be on the up ? A good thing if it offers more choice to everyone ?

    See what you think at :

    https://audioboo.fm/boos/2075026-digital-shortwave-a-radio-revolution

    By clicking on the white arrow in the round grey circle, it plays a report by Mark Whittaker to "BBC World Business" ( 7.56 long, MP3 format )

    8 minutes later - Report says that India to build DRM receivers using an "open" standard and so will be able to bring the price down. Good news if the radios are eventually exported - possibly a chance for DRM to make a resurgence everywhere ?
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    MikeBrMikeBr Posts: 7,898
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    The AIR medium wave transmitters will run in simulcast mode, analogue and DRM channel. The private stations using FM have no interest in it.
    This feature could have run 10 years ago with the same headline. I could also have done without Tony Hancock yet again.
    And you can listen to DRM without power? The DRM sets so far have been more expensive than analogue, battery life is poor, and the signal is just as prone to interference as analogue is causing dropouts.
    Here's an example of All India Radio DRM, note the 50Hz hum particularly on the speech 18 minutes in.
    http://shortwavearchive.com/archive/c6hlohac9ejafb4ddpkah85v237rz3

    As to yet another new cheap receiver here's a video about it, note how he skirts round the price and talks about mobile phones being expensive at first.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iByylWcCwh0

    The AIR tender is for 800 receivers, full details linked in this blogpost
    http://drmnainfo.blogspot.co.uk/2013/10/air-produces-tender-for-800-trial.html
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    Phil DoddPhil Dodd Posts: 3,975
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    Thanks Mike for the speedy reply and references. Disappointing, then, that it's not a new story.

    I noticed the bit about DRM without power too. I suspect that he may have been talking about another statement that he made ( "he" being the Indian representative of DRM for anyone who hasn't heard the BBC podcast ) that DRM only needs 45 to 50 percent of the transmitter power that a purely AM signal needs to cover the same area [ his claim not mine ].

    The "breakthrough" sounded to be, from the BBC item, that the Indians would start mass-producing DRM receivers themselves using imported "chips" and an "open" design ( not sure whether this is hardware and/or software - but if it is FAAC and FAAD they need a licence for commercial use ? ).

    Is it a non-story then ? Time will tell.
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    MikeBrMikeBr Posts: 7,898
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    Phil Dodd wrote: »
    The "breakthrough" sounded to be, from the BBC item, that the Indians would start mass-producing DRM receivers themselves using imported "chips" and an "open" design ( not sure whether this is hardware and/or software - but if it is FAAC and FAAD they need a licence for commercial use ? ).

    Is it a non-story then ? Time will tell.

    Some interesting comments from Jonathan Marks in particular here
    http://swling.com/blog/2014/04/bbc-world-service-features-drm/

    I put Delhi into the BBC World service schedule section and the DRM Asia shortwave broadcast is not mentioned. There's still a BBCWS DRM service to Europe but click on the link they have and the page about it no longer exists, been like that for awhile.
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    hanssolohanssolo Posts: 22,672
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    The South Asia DRM transmissions from Thailand to India are listed here
    http://baseportal.com/cgi-bin/baseportal.pl?htx=/drmdx/details&cmd=all&Id==692
    Phil Dodd wrote: »
    The "breakthrough" sounded to be, from the BBC item, that the Indians would start mass-producing DRM receivers themselves using imported "chips" and an "open" design ( not sure whether this is hardware and/or software - but if it is FAAC and FAAD they need a licence for commercial use ? ).

    Is it a non-story then ? Time will tell.
    Looks like there is an update on drmna.info that Chinese CDNSE Newstar, who might be front runners for the Indian set tender, will not produce any more DRM sets unless extra orders are made, and Peter Senger is trying to build up orders to reach this number? But the set is still expensive?

    There is also more significantly a release from Frontier Silicon
    http://www.frontier-silicon.com/world%E2%80%99s-most-integrated-digital-radio-chip#.U02f2fkRCrA
    London, 12th April 2014

    Frontier Silicon is previewing Kino 4, its next generation digital radio chip, at the Hong Kong Electronics Fair (13-16th April, 2014).

    Kino 4 is a single chip solution, which integrates four previously separate chips, to deliver significant improvements in performance, cost and power consumption. This new chip builds on the performance and reliability standards of earlier generations of the Kino chip series - the world’s best-selling digital radio ICs (over 20 million units sold).

    Until now, the alternative, less efficient approach to integration has been to place the various processing blocks on individual pieces of silicon and then to combine them into a single chip package (system-in-package). Uniquely for a digital radio solution, Kino 4 combines RF, baseband, application processor, audio decode and DAC functionality on a single piece of silicon – with no requirement for external MCU, DAC or tuner. This innovative approach is enabling several important features:

    power consumption 50% lower than Kino 3
    patent pending features for improved user experience, e.g. significantly faster scan times
    smaller form-factor – with potential to be deployed in smartphones
    new tools to accelerate development times for manufacturers.
    Kino 4 is designed to power all major categories of consumer digital radio devices. Key areas of focus include portable radios (with entry level models retailing at under $30), radio receivers with Bluetooth connectivity, multi-function devices (e.g. clock radios, docks and home audio systems) and a wide range of automotive aftermarket products (especially, automotive adapters).

    The Kino 4 chip will also enable the next generation of hybrid or smart radios, which combine broadcast and IP return path functionality.

    The first release of Kino 4 will support the DAB family of standards. Longer term, the chip has the capability to support other global standards, including HD Radio™ and DRM.

    Kino 4 will meet all technology requirements of the UK’s Digital Tick minimum specifications for both domestic and automotive digital radio devices.

    Kino 4 samples will be available to selected customers in Q2 2014. A demonstration of the new solution will be available in Frontier’s exclusive HKEF Spring Edition demo suite.
    They have a good track record with digital radio chipsets, if they can mass produce the chip at low cost, might be the breakthrough DRM is looking for for low cost sets?
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    Phil DoddPhil Dodd Posts: 3,975
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    hanssolo wrote: »

    They have a good track record with digital radio chipsets, if they can mass produce the chip at low cost, might be the breakthrough DRM is looking for for low cost sets?

    Let's hope so ! DRM deserves it's chance to modernise traditional analogue frequencies.

    Thanks for your quotes and links, and to Mike too - I'll read those in full later today after another exhausting day at the sports centre...
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    MikeBrMikeBr Posts: 7,898
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    Not everyone at the Indian public broadcaster believes in this plan

    " You will soon be able to catch your favourite regional radio programmes on FM radio with maximising of the existing technology and junking of the "mindless" and "silly" plan of introducing digital radio, says Prasar Bharati chief Jawhar Sircar."
    http://www.newskarnataka.com/news/content/exclusive/-Regional-radio-channels-on-FM-soon-Prasar-Bharati-CEO-Interview
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    lundavralundavra Posts: 31,790
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    MikeBr wrote: »
    Not everyone at the Indian public broadcaster believes in this plan

    " You will soon be able to catch your favourite regional radio programmes on FM radio with maximising of the existing technology and junking of the "mindless" and "silly" plan of introducing digital radio, says Prasar Bharati chief Jawhar Sircar."
    http://www.newskarnataka.com/news/content/exclusive/-Regional-radio-channels-on-FM-soon-Prasar-Bharati-CEO-Interview

    I would have thought that with having to start from scratch and build all those transmitter sites then they could have gone straight to DAB and have provision for multiple language services. The price of sets could be got down with the volume required for India.
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    hanssolohanssolo Posts: 22,672
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    MikeBr wrote: »
    Not everyone at the Indian public broadcaster believes in this plan
    Thanks MIke for the link, looking at the DRM site there was a report back in Jan.
    http://www.drm.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Sam-Pitroda-Report-on-Prasar-Bharati-2014-02-06.pdf
    “It is expected that the complete transition to DRM transmission will be done by 2016.
    It is suggested that AIR continues with a simultaneous broadcast of MW transmission till 2016
    to consistently deliver on the social responsibility. After the complete transition, AIR should
    shift to Stereo transmission.” [Part 2 page 81]
     “Given the popularity of the FM, AIR should continue to increase the coverage of FM from
    43% to 65%. Once the DRM eco-system is stabilized, AIR can consider migration of FM to
    DRM+.” [Part 2 page 29]

     “In the current landscape, FM is the most popular audio transmission system as it has both
    private and public participation. However, FM reaches to only 43% of the population. The
    needs of the Public Broadcaster are met by AM through MW and SW transmission. MW and
    SW together reach to 99% of the population but fail to provide stereo quality output to the
    listener as provided by FM. (The Group understands that Prasar Bharati has adopted
    transitioning of AM to DRM to improve the quality of output and endorses the
    transition).” [Part 2 page 28]
    So AIR will be expanding FM coverage anyway, but the problem is that expanding FM to more than 65% coverage to 99% with AM will be very expensive than say DRM on MW, so it becomes a financial issue.

    Going FM for 99% coverage would add a lot to AIR's operating costs.
    However AIR could still mix FM and AM, where AM is used in rural locations?.

    The January report than goes onto say that the DRM MW transmisssions could provide an extra channel which a private operator could use to reduce the cost and provide subsidies for DRM sets.

    The report does not mention that perhaps having the sets pickup overseas DRM stations like the BBC in better than AM quality might also be an advantage.

    Again getting low cost DRM sets on the market will be critical for DRM radio in India, if they don't arrive soon, (and the new chipsets might be in production by the summer with sets in Autumn) , then sadly DRM radio will be dead!
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    MikeBrMikeBr Posts: 7,898
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    hanssolo wrote: »
    Thanks MIke for the link, looking at the DRM site there was a report back in Jan.
    http://www.drm.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Sam-Pitroda-Report-on-Prasar-Bharati-2014-02-06.pdf

    So AIR will be expanding FM coverage anyway, but the problem is that expanding FM to more than 65% coverage to 99% with AM will be very expensive than say DRM on MW, so it becomes a financial issue.

    Going FM for 99% coverage would add a lot to AIR's operating costs.
    However AIR could still mix FM and AM, where AM is used in rural locations?.

    The January report than goes onto say that the DRM MW transmisssions could provide an extra channel which a private operator could use to reduce the cost and provide subsidies for DRM sets.

    Again getting low cost DRM sets on the market will be critical for DRM radio in India, if they don't arrive soon, (and the new chipsets might be in production by the summer with sets in Autumn) , then sadly DRM radio will be dead!

    There's hardly a demand for these regional services given the fact that only 40 million listen to mediumwave anyway, population of India is 1.2 billion, and the commercial operators have no interest whatsoever.

    Here's the latest reach figures
    "India is the fastest growing wireless market, with almost half of the mobile phones population having a built-in FM radio, in addition to transistors/radio sets and car audio systems. The fact that a large chunk of radio listenership is on portable devices and happens out of home, augurs well for future industry growth.

    With an increasing number of Radio-enabled mobile phones in the affordable price range, users in metros are switching from traditional radio sets to mobile phones as their primary mode of radio-listening.

    According to Industry sources, the current radio penetration levels are estimated to be ~35-38% overall and ~77% in Metros. The figures in the graph below from the TAM's Radio Measurement clearly indicate the potential of radio, given a significant increase in FM population (barring Kolkata) in Metros."
    http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/india-media-and-entertainment-industry-radio-television-and-broadcast-237297561.html "

    You can see how small the penetration must be outside the metropolitan areas where the growth has been driven by the FM private licences. Why should people suddenly change their habits and buy an expensive radio, which does nothing else but that, just because the state broadcaster has upgraded all their transmitters? They'll continue to use other media sources as they are at the moment, mostly television.

    Nor is All India Radio interested in people picking up BBC World Service, they declined to remove the state monopoly of radio news in the 2013 private FM rollout plan.
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    hanssolohanssolo Posts: 22,672
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    MikeBr wrote: »
    You can see how small the penetration must be outside the metropolitan areas where the growth has been driven by the FM private licences. Why should people suddenly change their habits and buy an expensive radio, which does nothing else but that, just because the state broadcaster has upgraded all their transmitters? They'll continue to use other media sources as they are at the moment, mostly television.

    Nor is All India Radio interested in people picking up BBC World Service, they declined to remove the state monopoly of radio news in the 2013 private FM rollout plan.
    With the restriction on news reporting it is still good to ensure in countries like India there is still access to external news sources, and if a reasonable price AM/FM/DRM (with shortwave) home and car sets went on the market the more affluent and better educated Indians will buy it (although they will also probably have access to internet and satellite)

    Was interesting to see Russia deciding to go with an FM rollout and start to give up domestic AM and DRM, but still have external shortwave DRM tests in English and Hindi.

    Africa and South America were also candidates for DRM but it's more looking more unlikely.
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