What gets me in all of this is yes you can delete and re-install as and when necessary however I dont know how many of you are like me sit there and think 'you know what, I fancy a quick blast on so and so' so you bung the disc in and start playing.
If it takes ages to install data like it does now (GT5 anyone? Before the mandatory updates takes about an hour to install 10 gig) then by the time its done and patched you'll have lost interest.
What gets me in all of this is yes you can delete and re-install as and when necessary however I dont know how many of you are like me sit there and think 'you know what, I fancy a quick blast on so and so' so you bung the disc in and start playing.
If it takes ages to install data like it does now (GT5 anyone? Before the mandatory updates takes about an hour to install 10 gig) then by the time its done and patched you'll have lost interest.
From what I've read Knack is playable within ten seconds of inserting the disc. So it would seem installs have been improved massively.
What gets me in all of this is yes you can delete and re-install as and when necessary however I dont know how many of you are like me sit there and think 'you know what, I fancy a quick blast on so and so' so you bung the disc in and start playing.
If it takes ages to install data like it does now (GT5 anyone? Before the mandatory updates takes about an hour to install 10 gig) then by the time its done and patched you'll have lost interest.
From what I've read Knack is playable within ten seconds of inserting the disc. So it would seem installs have been improved massively.
The Blu-ray drive is a lot faster and PS4 games can install as you are playing, as mentioned knack which requires a 37GB install only takes 10 seconds to start playing from when you insert the disc.
Optical drives just aren't fast enough and the latency is to slow for the size of games this generation.
What gets me in all of this is yes you can delete and re-install as and when necessary however I dont know how many of you are like me sit there and think 'you know what, I fancy a quick blast on so and so' so you bung the disc in and start playing.
If it takes ages to install data like it does now (GT5 anyone? Before the mandatory updates takes about an hour to install 10 gig) then by the time its done and patched you'll have lost interest.
Im the same, I fairly often will throw in a game just to take up a bit of free time I have.
For instance a bit earlier on I had half hour to waste before I had an opticians appointment so I decided to have a bit of fun on Soul Calibur 3 on my PS2 to take up the time.
I saw something a week or so ago which suggested that Killzone required 7gb to install before it was playable & that's likely going to take a while to install.
Thats the sort of thing that wouldn't be ideal IF that needed to occur whenever you put the disc in having had to remove data to make space for another game.
At least on the PS4 we can upgrade the internal drive though, I'll be getting the largest compatible drive as soon as I can afford it (Early next year probably) :cool:
That's the one I would ideally like. Probably cost around £120 I'm guessing, and sounds like it may only ship as an external drive ?
"...The Spinpoint M9T hard drive is currently available in the Samsung Portable product line, which includes the M3 Portable and P3 Portable external drives"
Yeah he said that after saying it decreased load times of the game they tested from 20 seconds to 10 seconds which is much more than a "mild improvement".
So a 500GB HDD which is actually 465GB, leaves you with 408GB to use. That's not terrible but with games taking around 40GB that's only 10 game installs.
So a 500GB HDD which is actually 465GB, leaves you with 408GB to use. That's not terrible but with games taking around 40GB that's only 10 game installs.
The console needs to be able to cache a full game in case a developer decides to NOT use the Install method, so 50GB is reserved for that along with an additional amount set aside for 15 minutes worth of high bitrate 1080p recording and then of course the 2GB for the OS.
That's one of the main reasons the console won't accept hard drives lower than 160GB, because it NNEDS to do those reserves before it can do anything else.
The console needs to be able to cache a full game in case a developer decides to NOT use the Install method, so 50GB is reserved for that along with an additional amount set aside for 15 minutes worth of high bitrate 1080p recording and then of course the 2GB for the OS.
That's one of the main reasons the console won't accept hard drives lower than 160GB, because it NNEDS to do those reserves before it can do anything else.
I dont understand what you mean in your first paragraph. If your game is above a certain size then game caching (called PlayGO) is a requirement, regardless of "install".
I dont understand what you mean in your first paragraph. If your game is above a certain size then game caching (called PlayGO) is a requirement, regardless of "install".
The PS4 allows various methods to be used by the developers. Most games will start right away, caching as they install their alotted amount in the background, so the next time you play these games it will read from the install instead of the cache whilst only caching a smaller amount for quicker access or dynamic things within multiplayer (I'll leave that up to, but I'm sure most can guess what that will be). However some devs can decide against an install and just fully rely on the cache, this is where the game will start, and right off the bat it will take around 30 second to build a buffer and start playing that way. So everytime you play the game, it will do this.
That's why the console holds back a full dual layer Blu-ray (50GB) so it can, in a sense cache a full disc.
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If it takes ages to install data like it does now (GT5 anyone? Before the mandatory updates takes about an hour to install 10 gig) then by the time its done and patched you'll have lost interest.
From what I've read Knack is playable within ten seconds of inserting the disc. So it would seem installs have been improved massively.
The Blu-ray drive is a lot faster and PS4 games can install as you are playing, as mentioned knack which requires a 37GB install only takes 10 seconds to start playing from when you insert the disc.
Optical drives just aren't fast enough and the latency is to slow for the size of games this generation.
For instance a bit earlier on I had half hour to waste before I had an opticians appointment so I decided to have a bit of fun on Soul Calibur 3 on my PS2 to take up the time.
I do stuff like that fairly often.
I saw something a week or so ago which suggested that Killzone required 7gb to install before it was playable & that's likely going to take a while to install.
Thats the sort of thing that wouldn't be ideal IF that needed to occur whenever you put the disc in having had to remove data to make space for another game.
At least on the PS4 we can upgrade the internal drive though, I'll be getting the largest compatible drive as soon as I can afford it (Early next year probably) :cool:
Looks like we have a good candidate for a 9.5mm, 2tb HDD
"...The Spinpoint M9T hard drive is currently available in the Samsung Portable product line, which includes the M3 Portable and P3 Portable external drives"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8_nt2Dwf78
So, "mild improvement" with an SSD
Yeah he said that after saying it decreased load times of the game they tested from 20 seconds to 10 seconds which is much more than a "mild improvement".
So a 500GB HDD which is actually 465GB, leaves you with 408GB to use. That's not terrible but with games taking around 40GB that's only 10 game installs.
I'm guessing there is a large reserve for the 15 minute DVR facility.
lol, seriously? thats how we update firmware on devkits!!!
I'm unsure why it can't automatically download it from the PS servers... This is what Macs do if you put in a new HDD.
I think that is how you update the firmware using a USB on the retail version.
Neither am i tbh.
The console needs to be able to cache a full game in case a developer decides to NOT use the Install method, so 50GB is reserved for that along with an additional amount set aside for 15 minutes worth of high bitrate 1080p recording and then of course the 2GB for the OS.
That's one of the main reasons the console won't accept hard drives lower than 160GB, because it NNEDS to do those reserves before it can do anything else.
I dont understand what you mean in your first paragraph. If your game is above a certain size then game caching (called PlayGO) is a requirement, regardless of "install".
The PS4 allows various methods to be used by the developers. Most games will start right away, caching as they install their alotted amount in the background, so the next time you play these games it will read from the install instead of the cache whilst only caching a smaller amount for quicker access or dynamic things within multiplayer (I'll leave that up to, but I'm sure most can guess what that will be). However some devs can decide against an install and just fully rely on the cache, this is where the game will start, and right off the bat it will take around 30 second to build a buffer and start playing that way. So everytime you play the game, it will do this.
That's why the console holds back a full dual layer Blu-ray (50GB) so it can, in a sense cache a full disc.
500GB would just about be enough for what I have on my PS3 - Would be pushing it but would have to delete some games I'll never play again.
What you'll get those is low-res textures until they're installed in the background.
Better to get in and playing rather than waiting for 25 minutes on Xbox One, though I think.