This. The attitude was police are always right, football fans are always wrong, which the police exploited for their own benefit.
Which sadly the minority of hooligans in the past helped shore up the police version, genuine fans suffered that day not only from offical incompetence but also from the behaviour of previous hooligans and those hooligans handed the police an excuse on a plate that many would readily believe.
Just heard radio 1 play You'll never walk alone (original version). Never has a record made me pull over because of welling up. Can see a lot of people downloading this. Future number 1?
The Rogers and Hammerstein original from the musical Carousel or the criminal rip off pop song by Gerry Marsden?
The victims were innocent, they were the ones at the front with tickets who turned up early. Were those who were late and pushing and shoving at the rear breathalized, they were the guilty ones.
The large number of latecomers was caused by roadworks on the motorway, which prevented some coaches from arriving on time. The police control room should have known this, and been prepared for coachloads of people trying to get in at the last minute. They could have delayed kick-off, made tannoy announcements outside and headed off a lot of the crush. Wanting to get into a football match before kick-off is not reckless or strange or restricted to Liverpool fans. It is normal behaviour, similar to the stampedes you get at the first day of the January sales.
The Taylor Report put together data from the turnstiles and police headcounts, and came to the conclusion that there was a very small number of people without tickets (I think the figure was 25) spread around inside.
The "drunk and ticketless" mantra of the Scouser-haters has now been proven to be a media slander campaign by the police, assisted by the government. Disgusting.
From what I can gather, the papers (if they exist) giving details of the meetings between South Yorkshire police and Margaret Thatcher and Douglas Hurd have not been released.
Labour's Andy Burnham is calling for any such documents to be released.
Cabinet Office papers from 1989 seen by the BBC show how Margaret Thatcher's government was misinformed about the cause of the Hillsborough disaster - and illustrate why the Information Commissioner demanded the disclosure of these secret documents
Lady Thatcher's then press secretary Sir Bernard Ingham has already revealed that when he accompanied her on a visit to the stadium the day after the tragedy, they were told the incident was the fault of a "tanked-up mob" of Liverpool supporters.
What we now know is that a similar message was coming to her, not only from the force which had made catastrophic errors in policing the FA Cup semi-final, but also from the top ranks of the police force covering the locality of most of the victims - the bereaved families and the anguished survivors.
Of course this document only reveals what was said in the period soon afterwards, and those involved may have changed their minds as further evidence came to light.
But it is interesting to note that the position of the senior Merseyside officers conflicted with that taken at the same time by some junior ranks in the same force
Personally I'd rather see a mass boycott of The Sun nationally. Petty I know, but that would grant some satisfaction, an immature one, but nevertheless satisfaction.
I would like to see The Sun sold, I wouldnt blame everyone there today for what the organisation has done in the past, a new owner and a new broom.
Like I said on an earlier post, let's hope KMc does not earn another penny on British televsion is any way shape or form.
He has been on too many chat shows, panels etc far too much. Why should we belive him any way.
Like I said on an earlier post, let's hope KMc does not earn another penny on British televsion is any way shape or form.
He has been on too many chat shows, panels etc far too much. Why should we belive him any way.
He has been on Question Time far too many times for my liking. The stuff he spews is unbelievable. His defence of the hacking of various people was just shocking.
The whole truth will not come out, so justice will not be completely done. Those who call for the truth won't acknowledge the parts they are uncomfortable with which are as followed:
Had nobody who didn't have tickets prior to the day of the match traveled to Hillsborough, and had none of the people who traveled to Hillsborough consumed alcohol prior to trying to enter the stadium, the Hillsborough Disaster would have been less disastrous.
Not only should the police fully acknowledge responsibility for all their failings, but Liverpool and their fans should fully accept responsibility for their failings, and they should have done that before demaning inquiries etc.
Are you going to apologise, now that the report says catagorically that FANS WERE ENTIRELY BLAMELESS.
So why were people demanding that he apologise if they weren't willing to accept one?
Because its too little too late, he has said for years he will never apologise but now he comes crawling out the woodwork and were supposed to just forgive him and accept it? Bullshit. He is not sorry one bit
I've had a skim through the report online and as far as I can see there is virtually no mention whatsoever, let alone an investigation, of the circumstances leading to the crush outside the ground. Yet the fans are "exonerated" from any part in the disaster?
Biased much? I suppose when the "independent" panel is headed by the Bishop of Liverpool and consists of (or might as well), Jimmy Tarbuck, the cast of Brookside, Cilla Black and Kenny Dalglish they're hardly likely to include anything that even remotely suggests that some Liverpool fans contributed in any way to the chain of events causing the disaster.
My god, its spite of overwhelming evidence of no blame on the fans you still WANT to believe they were at fault.. you SKIMMED the document???. Pls examine your prejudices, and be honest with yourself.
amd you last few sentences are reprehensible and callous in the extreme.
The fall out from this will go far beyond Hillsborough, beyond Liverpool and beyond football itself. If a police force can go to the extremes to cover up 96 deaths at a football match you have to wonder what else has been covered up at this level (and possibly above) over the years.
I think, like the hacking scandal, that this will move to make larger changes over time.
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Yes at the time they were Thatcher's private thug squad to do her bidding, so she would always back them up in a crisis.
Which sadly the minority of hooligans in the past helped shore up the police version, genuine fans suffered that day not only from offical incompetence but also from the behaviour of previous hooligans and those hooligans handed the police an excuse on a plate that many would readily believe.
The Rogers and Hammerstein original from the musical Carousel or the criminal rip off pop song by Gerry Marsden?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eC0lOHBxreg&feature=related
Agreed, in a place where the sun does not shine
The large number of latecomers was caused by roadworks on the motorway, which prevented some coaches from arriving on time. The police control room should have known this, and been prepared for coachloads of people trying to get in at the last minute. They could have delayed kick-off, made tannoy announcements outside and headed off a lot of the crush. Wanting to get into a football match before kick-off is not reckless or strange or restricted to Liverpool fans. It is normal behaviour, similar to the stampedes you get at the first day of the January sales.
The Taylor Report put together data from the turnstiles and police headcounts, and came to the conclusion that there was a very small number of people without tickets (I think the figure was 25) spread around inside.
The "drunk and ticketless" mantra of the Scouser-haters has now been proven to be a media slander campaign by the police, assisted by the government. Disgusting.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-19507065
Wormy... Typical
Papers do exist
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-17238494
Cabinet Office papers from 1989 seen by the BBC show how Margaret Thatcher's government was misinformed about the cause of the Hillsborough disaster - and illustrate why the Information Commissioner demanded the disclosure of these secret documents
Lady Thatcher's then press secretary Sir Bernard Ingham has already revealed that when he accompanied her on a visit to the stadium the day after the tragedy, they were told the incident was the fault of a "tanked-up mob" of Liverpool supporters.
What we now know is that a similar message was coming to her, not only from the force which had made catastrophic errors in policing the FA Cup semi-final, but also from the top ranks of the police force covering the locality of most of the victims - the bereaved families and the anguished survivors.
Of course this document only reveals what was said in the period soon afterwards, and those involved may have changed their minds as further evidence came to light.
But it is interesting to note that the position of the senior Merseyside officers conflicted with that taken at the same time by some junior ranks in the same force
Looks as if MacKenzie burnt his bridge a long time ago.
I would like to see The Sun sold, I wouldnt blame everyone there today for what the organisation has done in the past, a new owner and a new broom.
The culture of lies and slander still exists in that organisation, and in others as well.
He has been on too many chat shows, panels etc far too much. Why should we belive him any way.
He has been on Question Time far too many times for my liking. The stuff he spews is unbelievable. His defence of the hacking of various people was just shocking.
Are you going to apologise, now that the report says catagorically that FANS WERE ENTIRELY BLAMELESS.
So why were people demanding that he apologise if they weren't willing to accept one?
Because its too little too late, he has said for years he will never apologise but now he comes crawling out the woodwork and were supposed to just forgive him and accept it? Bullshit. He is not sorry one bit
My god, its spite of overwhelming evidence of no blame on the fans you still WANT to believe they were at fault.. you SKIMMED the document???. Pls examine your prejudices, and be honest with yourself.
amd you last few sentences are reprehensible and callous in the extreme.
...the report by the Bishop of Liverpool.
Can't wait for next week's Indepent investigation into fast food standards by Ronald McDonald.
If that's the case, the reports totally lacks credibility
I think, like the hacking scandal, that this will move to make larger changes over time.
To see if there is a decent bone in his body? Still doubtful or he would have apologised a long time ago, he is still wriggling off the hook!