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Solve this equation > 48÷2(9+3) = ?

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    muntamunta Posts: 18,285
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    TheRave wrote: »
    So the answer is 288 or 2.

    It completely depends on the interpretation of the priority of juxtaposed values.

    The original sum requires clarification before answering completely.

    FINISH

    DONE

    Hopefully we can all agree :D
    Yes, with the caveat that I'm sticking to the answer given by Excel, SQL, IBM Cognos, SPSS & TM1. Since If I disagreed with them then my job would be impossible. And that answer is 288 ;):p:D
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    John259John259 Posts: 28,469
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    It's 288.

    Biffo and Rave - sorry but you are totally wrong, probably because you were taught incorrectly.

    2(9+3) is exactly the same as 2 x (9+3), i.e. 2 x 12 = 24 (where x is a multiplication sign). However, with literal numbers it should be written with a multiplication sign. It's only with a letter before the opening bracket that the multiplication sign should be omitted.

    BTW it's not an equation and you can't solve it. It's an expression and you evaluate it. It isn't calculus, nor is it A level material. Forty years ago it would have been around the second year of secondary school but that may have changed now.
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    BedlemBedlem Posts: 2,629
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    TheRave wrote: »
    So the answer is 288 or 2.

    It completely depends on the interpretation of the priority of juxtaposed values.

    The original sum requires clarification before answering completely.

    FINISH

    DONE

    Hopefully we can all agree :D
    Nope, I'm sticking with what I originally said! :p

    I agree that it's ambiguous but just apply a little logic...

    What is '2(9 + 3)' on its own? Remove the rest of the equation and what does '2(9 +3)' mean? The fact that it isn't seperated by '2 + (9 + 3)' or '2 * (9 + 3)' or any other arrangement, indicates that '2(9 + 3)' is a single 'a(x + y)' string and, as such, I'd work it out as follows

    2(9 + 3)
    =>2*9 + 2*3
    =>18 + 6
    =>24

    2(9 + 3) = 24.

    Ergo

    48 / "2(9 + 3)" = 2 because it isn't seperated like:
    48 / 2 + (9 + 3)
    48 / 2 * (9 + 3)

    or any other such arrangement which would lead to other answers.
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    VioletSummersVioletSummers Posts: 1,363
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    John259 wrote: »
    It's 288.

    Biffo and Rave - sorry but you are totally wrong, probably because you were taught incorrectly.

    2(9+3) is exactly the same as 2 x (9+3), i.e. 2 x 12 = 24 (where x is a multiplication sign). However, with literal numbers it should be written with a multiplication sign. It's only with a letter before the opening bracket that the multiplication sign should be omitted.

    BTW it's not an equation and you can't solve it. It's an expression and you evaluate it. It isn't calculus, nor is it A level material. Forty years ago it would have been around the second year of secondary school but that may have changed now.

    I still stand by what I say that it's 2. Simple BODMAS - you do the brackets first and that leaves 2.
    BIB - Yep, it's around year 8/9 maths, depending on higher or lower sets, so it's not changed.
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    VioletSummersVioletSummers Posts: 1,363
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    Bedlem wrote: »
    Nope, I'm sticking with what I originally said! :p

    I agree that it's ambiguous but just apply a little logic...

    What is '2(9 + 3)' on its own? Remove the rest of the equation and what does '2(9 +3)' mean? The fact that it isn't seperated by '2 + (9 + 3)' or '2 * (9 + 3)' or any other arrangement, indicates that '2(9 + 3)' is a single 'a(x + y)' string and, as such, I'd work it out as follows

    2(9 + 3)
    =>2*9 + 2*3
    =>18 + 6
    =>24

    2(9 + 3) = 24.

    Ergo

    48 / "2(9 + 3)" = 2 because it isn't seperated like:
    48 / 2 + (9 + 3)
    48 / 2 * (9 + 3)

    or any other such arrangement which would lead to other answers.

    THIS! I think Iove you..

    God, I'm such a maths nerd :o
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    hustedhusted Posts: 5,287
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    The point of brackets is to clarify the expression to make clear what should be done first. But if you have a number outside, then this needs to be operated on everything inside the brackets :
    So if you have:
    2(9+3)
    then this is the same as
    2x9 + 2x3.
    But this isnt clear, so we write this as :
    (2x9) + (2x3)

    So a clearer way to put the expression might be

    48 ÷ ((2x9) + (2x3))

    which equals 2.
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    patsylimerickpatsylimerick Posts: 22,124
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    7 pages on THIS? :eek::D It's 2 by the way.
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    The 12th DoctorThe 12th Doctor Posts: 4,338
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    It's 2.
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    BedlemBedlem Posts: 2,629
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    THIS! I think Iove you..

    God, I'm such a maths nerd :o

    Hey, it's just my opinion! I dropped out of Maths when I was 15 so understand that I'm 'uneducated' but applying my own logic. :o

    (But yeah, the answer is still 2) :D
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    John259John259 Posts: 28,469
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    husted wrote: »
    So a clearer way to put the expression might be

    48 ÷ ((2x9) + (2x3))
    That is wrong, because the 2 is outside the brackets in the original expression, not inside them.
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    Biffo the BearBiffo the Bear Posts: 25,859
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    John259 wrote: »
    That is wrong, because the 2 is outside the brackets in the original expression, not inside them.

    Ah, but it's okay to add a multiplication sign which wasn't there before?

    Like I said earlier, if you're going to say:

    Well, 2(3+9) is the same as 2*(3+9)

    What you should actually be saying is:

    Well, 2(3+9) is the same as (2*(3+9))
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    VioletSummersVioletSummers Posts: 1,363
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    husted wrote: »
    The point of brackets is to clarify the expression to make clear what should be done first. But if you have a number outside, then this needs to be operated on everything inside the brackets :
    So if you have:
    2(9+3)
    then this is the same as
    2x9 + 2x3.
    But this isnt clear, so we write this as :
    (2x9) + (2x3)

    So a clearer way to put the expression might be

    48 ÷ ((2x9) + (2x3))

    which equals 2.
    Come on people... read this post ^. Husted is right.
    Bedlem wrote: »
    Hey, it's just my opinion! I dropped out of Maths when I was 15 so understand that I'm 'uneducated' but applying my own logic. :o

    (But ye the answer is still 2) :D
    But it matches with what I'm 100% sure is right, so woo! :D
    John259 wrote: »
    That is wrong, because the 2 is outside the brackets in the original expression, not inside them.
    Wrong. Numbers outside the brackets affect everything inside them.
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    Biffo the BearBiffo the Bear Posts: 25,859
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    I think we're seeing an overall victory for 2s here, which is right because logic dictates as thus! :)
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    John259John259 Posts: 28,469
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    Ah, but it's okay to add a multiplication sign which wasn't there before?

    Like I said earlier, if you're going to say:

    Well, 2(3+9) is the same as 2*(3+9)
    That is correct.
    What you should actually be saying is:

    Well, 2(3+9) is the same as (2*(3+9))
    That is incorrect. Brackets only affect what is inside them.
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    lorrylorry Posts: 2,737
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    I'm in the 2 camp!

    work out the brackets and its associated number first which is

    2 x 12 = 24

    then work left to right

    48 ÷ 24 = 2

    Simples.
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    Biffo the BearBiffo the Bear Posts: 25,859
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    John259 wrote: »
    Brackets only affect what is inside them.

    Or what is cojoined to them, without a multiplication sign separating them.

    a(b+c) = (a*(b+c))
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    John259John259 Posts: 28,469
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    Or what is cojoined to them, without a multiplication sign separating them.

    a(b+c) = (a*(b+c))
    No. Your outer brackets are incorrect.

    a(b+c) = ab + ac (the distribution rule) but no outer brackets are implied.
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    VioletSummersVioletSummers Posts: 1,363
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    John259 wrote: »
    That is correct.

    That is incorrect. Brackets only affect what is inside them.

    The numbers outside the brackets affect what's inside them. Numbers in the brackets don't affect anything else, which is why they are in brackets.


    BODMAS - Brackets are first.

    The 2 is attached to the bracket as no-one has put a multiplication sign there. 2(9+3) = (2x9)+(2x3)=24

    48/24=2
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    Biffo the BearBiffo the Bear Posts: 25,859
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    For the love of God. RIGHT, WHICH ONE OF THESE MAKES SENSE:

    48 lamb chops / 2(9+3) butchers
    48 lamb chops / 24 butchers
    2 each

    48 lamb chops / 2(9+3) butchers
    48 lamb chops/2 butchers * 12
    288 each
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    John259John259 Posts: 28,469
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    48÷2(9+3)

    = 48 ÷ 2 x 12

    = 24 x 12

    = 288

    In BODMAS, division and multiplication have equal priority and there are no brackets around 2 x 12 so you work left to right.
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    VioletSummersVioletSummers Posts: 1,363
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    John259 wrote: »
    48÷2(9+3)

    = 48 ÷ 2 x 12

    = 24 x 12

    = 288

    In BODMAS, division and multiplication have equal priority and there are no brackets around 2 x 12 so you work left to right.

    But why haven't you calculated the brackets first? :confused:

    The 2 is NOT separated from the brackets with a multiplcation symbol and therefore must be calculated WITH the brackets.
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    AlphaKAlphaK Posts: 3,733
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    John259 wrote: »
    No. Your outer brackets are incorrect.

    a(b+c) = ab + ac (the distribution rule) but no outer brackets are implied.

    which would give

    48 ÷ 2*9 + 2*3 = neither 288 or 2
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    John259John259 Posts: 28,469
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    But why haven't you calculated the brackets first?
    I have. What's inside the brackets is 9 + 3 which is 12.
    The 2 is NOT separated from the brackets with a multiplcation symbol and therefore must be calculated WITH the brackets.
    No. I don't know where you're getting that from but it isn't right. There is no such rule.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 358
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    It is 2.
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    AlphaKAlphaK Posts: 3,733
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    deleted - duplicate post
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