I would say it is far too local in the south ( outside London ) than the North of England which most are in big cities like Leeds, Newcastle & Liverpool. Here there are plans for Southampton, Brighton, Reading, Basingstoke, Oxford & Guildford.
A south Coast, Thames Valley & Southeast service would be fine for me.
Personally, I would simply extend the London Local TV service to those areas.
If the Licences can be bought and sold, then ESTV should look at buying the ones for Basingstoke, Bedford, Brighton and Hove, Cambridge, Guildford, Luton, Maidstone, Oxford, Reading and Southampton/Portsmouth
Think this is a long overdue idea - but worried if (and how) it will succeed.
People will need a reason to tune in. I can see the AM show working if it focussed on travel/transport news and quick bulletins. However - after that, it will be interesting to see what else it does.
Where 'London Live' appears to differ from previous local tv station attempts for me is that it has a number of successful existings programmes in its schedules (like Peep Show and Misfits) along with its original content. This may help bring in an audience - tune in for a old favourite, stay for some new content. I still think 'London Live' will struggle though.
Have any of the other new local channels also bough the rights to exisitng programmes?
Personally, I would simply extend the London Local TV service to those areas.
If the Licences can be bought and sold, then ESTV should look at buying the ones for Basingstoke, Bedford, Brighton and Hove, Cambridge, Guildford, Luton, Maidstone, Oxford, Reading and Southampton/Portsmouth
London Live in their application did say they were going to bid for Reading & Basingstoke but decided not to.
The trouble is if ESTV covered those areas is that it would more than likely pay lip service to those areas & that is not what Local tv should be.
Live TV was a national channel from the Daily Mirror.
Channel One was the last local TV station for London, which started off as a rolling news channel and ended up as half-an-hour of news and half-an-hour of teleshopping.
I would say it is far too local in the south ( outside London ) than the North of England which most are in big cities like Leeds, Newcastle & Liverpool. Here there are plans for Southampton, Brighton, Reading, Basingstoke, Oxford & Guildford.
A south Coast, Thames Valley & Southeast service would be fine for me.
I suspect that in the end this Local TV will either become more Regional and/or National based with just some Localised programming...just like the rest.
I can also see buyouts from the more successful Stations happening, just like ITV in the 1990's.
I would say it is far too local in the south ( outside London ) than the North of England which most are in big cities like Leeds, Newcastle & Liverpool. Here there are plans for Southampton, Brighton, Reading, Basingstoke, Oxford & Guildford.
A south Coast, Thames Valley & Southeast service would be fine for me.
Think this is a long overdue idea - but worried if (and how) it will succeed.
People will need a reason to tune in. I can see the AM show working if it focussed on travel/transport news and quick bulletins. However - after that, it will be interesting to see what else it does.
Will be watching with close interest.
It will not suceed financially, so the focus should be if it suceeds critcally.
If they create enough decent conent and expand their network area, then the channel might work, however I don't have high expectations for this channel, but it should do better than other Local TV station...
Where 'London Live' appears to differ from previous local tv station attempts for me is that it has a number of successful existings programmes in its schedules (like Peep Show and Misfits) along with its original content. This may help bring in an audience - tune in for a old favourite, stay for some new content. I still think 'London Live' will struggle though.
ESTV does not seem to mind not making much in terms of profits as is the case for the Evening standard, so the main focus should be making good programmes or repeating them, of which they have made a good start...
London Live in their application did say they were going to bid for Reading & Basingstoke but decided not to.
The trouble is if ESTV covered those areas is that it would more than likely pay lip service to those areas & that is not what Local tv should be.
Why did they not? Also Local TV cannot work on a commerical basis, the markets are simply too small, regional tv might work better but even that will struggle...
I suspect that in the end this Local TV will either become more Regional and/or National based with just some Localised programming...just like the rest.
I can also see buyouts from the more successful Stations happening, just like ITV in the 1990's.
I agree, unless there are some laws which will ban such a thing, really the BBC should be doing this...
Would major broadcasters be interested in buyouts?
I agree, unless there are some laws which will ban such a thing, really the BBC should be doing this...
Would major broadcasters be interested in buyouts?
I was thinking more in the vein of local TV stations buying each other out as per ITV previously. Let the more successful bigger stations (if there are some) takeover the smaller and/or struggling stations. It's the only way I can see this working throughout the country. I also see some Local TV areas being merged into others to keep costs down (again as per ITV previously, though with less money). As for the BBC providing the Local TV experiment, that is personally the last thing I want. There needs to be more competition for Local/Regional News/Current Affairs, not less! This is also why I feel ITV should continue their Regional News service (and increase their Non-News programming a little). To allow this to happen I feel the Contract Rights Renewal agreement should be amended (though not scrapped), along with other helpful changes such as amendments to the current outdated 25% Independent Productions rule).
I was thinking more in the vein of local TV stations buying each other out as per ITV previously. Let the more successful bigger stations (if there are some) takeover the smaller and/or struggling stations. It's the only way I can see this working throughout the country. I also see some Local TV areas being merged into others to keep costs down (again as per ITV previously, though with less money). As for the BBC providing the Local TV experiment, that is personally the last thing I want. There needs to be more competition for Local/Regional News/Current Affairs, not less! This is also why I feel ITV should continue their Regional News service (and increase their Non-News programming a little). To allow this to happen I feel the Contract Rights Renewal agreement should be amended (though not scrapped), along with other helpful changes such as amendments to the current outdated 25% Independent Productions rule).
Good luck to all the Local TV stations.:)
I agree apart from the point about the BBC, they already do a good job so why is there a need for competion, they already have local radio stations and besides local radio is all but dead in the commcial sector
I agree apart from the point about the BBC, they already do a good job so why is there a need for competion, they already have local radio stations and besides local radio is all but dead in the commcial sector
One can debate about regional/local news but outside that I think the commercial sector should step in & anyway the BBC has enough on its plate. It will take time & there will no doubt be a few pains but as long as they don't try to take on the big gun shows there is in my view room in the middle.
In many ways it will be like the 1950's when ITV started & getting to know what people watch. One thing is that London Live is not going against the BBC & ITV at 6pm which makes sense as I really don't see the point of local news in that time slot when others are dong it at that time.
I was thinking more in the vein of local TV stations buying each other out as per ITV previously. Let the more successful bigger stations (if there are some) takeover the smaller and/or struggling stations. It's the only way I can see this working throughout the country. I also see some Local TV areas being merged into others to keep costs down (again as per ITV previously, though with less money).
There are a few channels in the first batch of launches which seems to be operated by the same company, being as they have the same name ("Made in [LOCATION]"), so you might be ahead of the matter.
Online might be the deciding factor here- the on-demand being where the money is made in the genuinely local content and the broadcasting being a loss leader or serving as marketing.
London Live launches at 6.30pm on Monday. I really like their ethos and the Standard has been immeasurably improved since the current owners took over, so we will see. I think it's a bit harsh to start making judgements based on trial runs which weren't even intended to be broadcast.
I haven't found any listings yet, which is a bit strange - I know that they will have live programming at breakfast time, lunchtime and early evening, but you'd have thought they'd want to be promoting the start of repeat runs of shows like Peep Show...
London Live launches at 6.30pm on Monday. I really like their ethos and the Standard has been immeasurably improved since the current owners took over, so we will see. I think it's a bit harsh to start making judgements based on trial runs which weren't even intended to be broadcast.
I haven't found any listings yet, which is a bit strange - I know that they will have live programming at breakfast time, lunchtime and early evening, but you'd have thought they'd want to be promoting the start of repeat runs of shows like Peep Show...
Still believe it will be bankrupt within a year, these amateur hour set ups are embarrassing.
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Personally, I would simply extend the London Local TV service to those areas.
If the Licences can be bought and sold, then ESTV should look at buying the ones for Basingstoke, Bedford, Brighton and Hove, Cambridge, Guildford, Luton, Maidstone, Oxford, Reading and Southampton/Portsmouth
People will need a reason to tune in. I can see the AM show working if it focussed on travel/transport news and quick bulletins. However - after that, it will be interesting to see what else it does.
Will be watching with close interest.
Have any of the other new local channels also bough the rights to exisitng programmes?
Surely a new well funded TV startup needs to launch in HD if it wants to have any chance of succeeding?
London Live in their application did say they were going to bid for Reading & Basingstoke but decided not to.
The trouble is if ESTV covered those areas is that it would more than likely pay lip service to those areas & that is not what Local tv should be.
Channel One was the last local TV station for London, which started off as a rolling news channel and ended up as half-an-hour of news and half-an-hour of teleshopping.
I suspect that in the end this Local TV will either become more Regional and/or National based with just some Localised programming...just like the rest.
I can also see buyouts from the more successful Stations happening, just like ITV in the 1990's.
I have. I watched when their test feed was on, admittedly it was the first time they presented, but it was tedious and awful. Also, a lot of Twitter.
You mean a bit like Meridian ITV's area ;-)
It will not suceed financially, so the focus should be if it suceeds critcally.
If they create enough decent conent and expand their network area, then the channel might work, however I don't have high expectations for this channel, but it should do better than other Local TV station...
ESTV does not seem to mind not making much in terms of profits as is the case for the Evening standard, so the main focus should be making good programmes or repeating them, of which they have made a good start...
Why did they not? Also Local TV cannot work on a commerical basis, the markets are simply too small, regional tv might work better but even that will struggle...
I agree, unless there are some laws which will ban such a thing, really the BBC should be doing this...
Would major broadcasters be interested in buyouts?
Not the One Show
Just on the wrong side of being too corny I think ?
I was thinking more in the vein of local TV stations buying each other out as per ITV previously. Let the more successful bigger stations (if there are some) takeover the smaller and/or struggling stations. It's the only way I can see this working throughout the country. I also see some Local TV areas being merged into others to keep costs down (again as per ITV previously, though with less money). As for the BBC providing the Local TV experiment, that is personally the last thing I want. There needs to be more competition for Local/Regional News/Current Affairs, not less! This is also why I feel ITV should continue their Regional News service (and increase their Non-News programming a little). To allow this to happen I feel the Contract Rights Renewal agreement should be amended (though not scrapped), along with other helpful changes such as amendments to the current outdated 25% Independent Productions rule).
Good luck to all the Local TV stations.:)
And it's not that brilliant either.
I agree apart from the point about the BBC, they already do a good job so why is there a need for competion, they already have local radio stations and besides local radio is all but dead in the commcial sector
One can debate about regional/local news but outside that I think the commercial sector should step in & anyway the BBC has enough on its plate. It will take time & there will no doubt be a few pains but as long as they don't try to take on the big gun shows there is in my view room in the middle.
In many ways it will be like the 1950's when ITV started & getting to know what people watch. One thing is that London Live is not going against the BBC & ITV at 6pm which makes sense as I really don't see the point of local news in that time slot when others are dong it at that time.
Interesting times ahead.
There are a few channels in the first batch of launches which seems to be operated by the same company, being as they have the same name ("Made in [LOCATION]"), so you might be ahead of the matter.
Online might be the deciding factor here- the on-demand being where the money is made in the genuinely local content and the broadcasting being a loss leader or serving as marketing.
I haven't found any listings yet, which is a bit strange - I know that they will have live programming at breakfast time, lunchtime and early evening, but you'd have thought they'd want to be promoting the start of repeat runs of shows like Peep Show...
Still believe it will be bankrupt within a year, these amateur hour set ups are embarrassing.