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someone has bred our dog without permission

llama1llama1 Posts: 66
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Hi,
despite the title it wasnt done intentionally.
we had a friend look after our dog while we were on holiday, her 2 bitches were in heat at the time and at some point she allowed them all out at the same time unsupervised and rather unsurprisingly she found them at it!
we offered to pay any vet costs at the time which she turned down.
Today the litter is being born so we asked if we could have one, her response was "are you asking if you can buy one?" which we wernt, our dog is no pedegree he was found on the streets but as i understand it by convention she should have paid a stud fee and its quite common for that fee to be pick of the litter.
we just want a puppy but clearly she is just thinking about the money being all hers, it would be messy for our daughters friendship if this ended up in small claims court.

can anyone reccomend what our options are?
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    MuzeMuze Posts: 2,225
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    Sorry but you have no rights in this situation.
    Just because your dog is the sire gives you no legal rights over his offspring!

    Why did you leave your intact dog with someone with two intact bitches???

    I suggest you use the money you may have spent on a put to have your dog neutered if his health allows.
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    JJ75JJ75 Posts: 1,954
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    Crazy idea to leave your dog with two bitches in heat :eek:

    Hopefully she will use some of the money to get her bitches spayed. How much is she charging for the mongrel pups?
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    ShrikeShrike Posts: 16,608
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    I'm surprised people pay for mongrel puppies:confused:
    I'dve thought they'd be "free to good home" like moggies are.
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    molliepopsmolliepops Posts: 26,828
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    People pay for stud services of health tested pedigree dogs not cross breeds. And I am afraid you have no rights at all in this mess. Just hope the dogs are being neutered and the pups will be eventually too.
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    llama1llama1 Posts: 66
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    Thanks for the input guys

    sorry not familiar with the legalities, just going on advise from others not to pay and that it should actually be the other way round, perhaps that is for a dog with paperwork being intentionally bred.


    yes perhaps we were too trusting that she would look after our dog appropriately knowing the situation in the house, all dogs involved are crate trained so she could have let them out seperate

    these are shorkie pups so as i understand it a desirable mongral

    as said we didnt ask her to breed him, it just happened, but it seems harsh she can profit from failing to look after him (though no doubt hed think he was looked after really well)

    that said it really isnt about money, wed just like a pup to keep our rescue mutt company
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    molliepopsmolliepops Posts: 26,828
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    Does the rescue you got your dog from not mind you breeding from him. We set down strict rules about not breeding from the rescues.
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    Hobbit FeetHobbit Feet Posts: 18,798
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    What the blazes is a shorkie?

    Apart from being a made up word
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    StressMonkeyStressMonkey Posts: 13,347
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    Ask her to drop you one off as she takes the unsold pups to a rescue.
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    Fizzee RascalFizzee Rascal Posts: 1,032
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    What the blazes is a shorkie?

    Apart from being a made up word


    Half Shetland Pony half chocolate bar.

    They're quite popular in France I believe.;)
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    llama1llama1 Posts: 66
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    Half Shetland Pony half chocolate bar.

    They're quite popular in France I believe.;)

    lol i feel sorry for the poor guy attempting that cross!

    http://www.petguide.com/breeds/dog/shorkie/
    its a shih tzu X yorkie cross - though i understand that some people need that piece of paper to show an animal love

    we rescued him ourselves, found him on street, tracked down his owners who told us they didnt want him back

    anyways, i can see im clearly wrong so ill trot on
    thanks for the help guys
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    haphashhaphash Posts: 21,448
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    So what you are really saying here is that you suspect she deliberately allowed the mating to occur so she could profit by selling the puppies?

    Whilst its true you probably have no legal rights to a puppy, its a bit mean of her to do this.
    Not sure I would want to continue a friendship with someone if they had acted in this way.
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    Tt88Tt88 Posts: 6,827
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    The way i look at it, if your dog is in tact, sooner or later theres a chance puppies will be born. Even if you hadnt left the dog with that woman it wouldnt take much for him to breed whilst at the park etc.

    You sound more annoyed that you arent profitting from the poor pups than you do about any of the dogs involved.
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    soulboy77soulboy77 Posts: 24,494
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    There was no legal contract that can be enforced but out of courtesy she should offer you one of the pups as a thank-you for the services rendered.
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    mimicolemimicole Posts: 50,999
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    Shrike wrote: »
    I'm surprised people pay for mongrel puppies:confused:
    I'dve thought they'd be "free to good home" like moggies are.

    Virtually no such thing anymore. When looking for Winnie we never found anyone giving kittens away. It's not a bad thing though, if people are willing to pay £50 then there's more chance of them taking care of them properly rather than mis-treating them because they got the kitten/puppy for free.

    I'd like to think, at least.
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    Tt88Tt88 Posts: 6,827
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    mimicole wrote: »
    Virtually no such thing anymore. When looking for Winnie we never found anyone giving kittens away. It's not a bad thing though, if people are willing to pay £50 then there's more chance of them taking care of them properly rather than mis-treating them because they got the kitten/puppy for free.

    I'd like to think, at least.

    I see your thinking but i see it completely differently.

    My parents have never paid for a kitten before. All the ones they have had have been given free (or taken but thats a different story).

    Someone i know got a kitten last year and paid £30 for it. Whilst i appreciate that paying means theres more chance you will care for it, i cant see past the people breeding cats as a business. The place they got theres from was recomended by someone else who gets kittens from them. Its basically a family who keep breeding adult cats to sell the kittens at £30 a go, and they dont seem short of customers.

    Sad really when the shelters are full of kittens but everyones buying them from this private seller. Probably because most of them wouldnt be suitable to have a cat which is why they avoid shelters in the first place.
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    ShrikeShrike Posts: 16,608
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    mimicole wrote: »
    Virtually no such thing anymore. When looking for Winnie we never found anyone giving kittens away. It's not a bad thing though, if people are willing to pay £50 then there's more chance of them taking care of them properly rather than mis-treating them because they got the kitten/puppy for free.

    I'd like to think, at least.

    I got my adult cat from Cats Protection for a £65 donation. But they neutered her and gave her inoculations for the year so effectively she was free. I assumed kittens were the same, but maybe they don't come neutered/vaccinated if still kittens.
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    Tt88Tt88 Posts: 6,827
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    Shrike wrote: »
    I got my adult cat from Cats Protection for a £65 donation. But they neutered her and gave her inoculations for the year so effectively she was free. I assumed kittens were the same, but maybe they don't come neutered/vaccinated if still kittens.

    At our local shelter if for any reason the animal hasnt had vaccinations or been neutured, they give you a voucher so when they are old enough the vets will do it for free. You have to use the vets which the shelter use but essentially its still free.
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    JJ75JJ75 Posts: 1,954
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    haphash wrote: »
    So what you are really saying here is that you suspect she deliberately allowed the mating to occur so she could profit by selling the puppies?

    Whilst its true you probably have no legal rights to a puppy, its a bit mean of her to do this.
    Not sure I would want to continue a friendship with someone if they had acted in this way.

    It sounds like that to me. Funny that the two breeds make up one of these crazy new designer types :rolleyes:
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    llama1llama1 Posts: 66
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    haphash wrote: »
    So what you are really saying here is that you suspect she deliberately allowed the mating to occur so she could profit by selling the puppies?

    Whilst its true you probably have no legal rights to a puppy, its a bit mean of her to do this.
    Not sure I would want to continue a friendship with someone if they had acted in this way.

    No, not at all, i just consider it careless that she allowed the situation to develop

    of course now she is throwing at us the fact that she dog sat for free (not very well imo) and that she has costs to cover regarding pregnancy, we offered to pay some of these when we first found out but she said it was fine unless there were complications, presume this was cos she thought she could make costs back selling them.

    of course now she is complaining that this was first season she could have bred her bitch and now cant till 2015

    so essentially complaing we have cost her money cos she failed to stop it!

    arrgh if only it were so simple, our daughters are friends
    Tt88 wrote: »
    The way i look at it, if your dog is in tact, sooner or later theres a chance puppies will be born. Even if you hadnt left the dog with that woman it wouldnt take much for him to breed whilst at the park etc.

    You sound more annoyed that you arent profitting from the poor pups than you do about any of the dogs involved.

    yeah fair point but he never leaves his lead, as mentioned he has a habbit of wandering the streets unless we keep a very close eye on him, so we do.

    nope not at all as stated wed just like a puppy as we were going to buy a puppy from a breeder before we found this one.

    also a very brief search of the internet lead me to believe that the convention for "stud fee" was the sale price of puppy or a puppy.
    im sure shed still make a few £ giving one away to live with the father.
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    TWSTWS Posts: 9,307
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    she may have taken advantage but sorry its your fault you left an entire dog with her

    well the fact that your dog came from a rescue and was unneutered is frankly disgusting, if you were trusted to neuter the dog the rescue should have checked up on it. If the dog is still unneutered it should be in your rescue contract that they can take him back after this incident as what you did is negligent to say the least.

    I wonder how many of the poor things will be PTS or end up in rescue.
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    JJ75JJ75 Posts: 1,954
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    TWS wrote: »
    well the fact that your dog came from a rescue and was unneutered is frankly disgusting, if you were trusted to neuter the dog the rescue should have checked up on it. If the dog is still unneutered it should be in your rescue contract that they can take him back after this incident as what you did is negligent to say the least.

    I wonder how many of the poor things will be PTS

    IIama found the dog wondering on the street so it didnt come from a shelter.
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    TWSTWS Posts: 9,307
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    JJ75 wrote: »
    IIama found the dog wondering on the street so it didnt come from a shelter.

    well that's some blessed relief that there is not a negligent rescue involved
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    llama1llama1 Posts: 66
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    JJ75 wrote: »
    It sounds like that to me. Funny that the two breeds make up one of these crazy new designer types :rolleyes:

    no just a coincidence, and unfortunate circumstance and
    as you know without paperwork it wouldnt be considered too valuable.
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    LaceyLouelle3LaceyLouelle3 Posts: 9,682
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    Deleted...not relevant.
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    llama1llama1 Posts: 66
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    JJ75 wrote: »
    IIama found the dog wondering on the street so it didnt come from a shelter.

    exactly, i found a dog took it in and looked after it for 18 months so far and am now prepared to take on one of his puppies, which has no real value without paperwork.

    yet somehow i feel like the bad guy here!

    nevermind, i can see that i was wrong and hopefully all his pups will go to loving homes
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