Should I get a phono preamp or just an integrated amplifier?
I'm so confused, all I need to do is plug my crappy computer speakers into my new turntable, for now.
Getting a s/h integrated is probably the way to go, if you're thinking of the future. You can use it as a phono pre-amp (by plugging the speakers into the tape out jacks) and can then upgrade the speakers later on.
I'd get the integrated, assuming you're intending on buying speakers at some point.
That, plus the Technics plus a pair of (say) JPW mini monitors (s/h about £10 a set) would give you a pretty good little separates system at minimal cost.
This is exactly the kind of setup I suggest to anyone who is after cheap sonic thrills -- while it'll never beat an Arcam, something like the above will still blow away any cheap micro system.
Only thing I would say is that I'm not sure that specific integrated has a phono pre-amp built in -- you'd need that, and not all amps have it.
Ok, so integrated amp it is, just gotta make sure it has a phono preamp built in.
Indeed. Older hifi speakers can be very cheap -- people are getting rid of them and moving down to small iPod docks etc -- I think they're mad but it's their choice.
Those JPWs are punchy little speakers -- not much bass to speak of but they do a great job of projecting sound into the room -- they'll be a revelation after computer speakers.
Indeed. Older hifi speakers can be very cheap -- people are getting rid of them and moving down to small iPod docks etc -- I think they're mad but it's their choice.
I'll keep my eye out for a nice pair then. Need to sort out the amp first though.
I just bought the technics, which phono preamp should I get? Something cheap and cheerful from ebay will do.
Also don't forget the "stylus" has a limited life and will need replacing at some point (1000 hrs) max, so make sure you know what it is - and where to get a replacement
Is this the way to go? Or shall I settle for the Sony PSLX300? All I want is something to tide me over until I have enough money to splash out.
It depends.
The Technics is the better of the two decks, but it isn't new so you'll only get a limited warranty from Greenhome. But the Technics is solidly built, my cousin is still using a Technics linear tracking turntable that was mine all through the 80s and it's still going strong. Of course it's had new belts and cartridges since then, but other than that and being well looked after it still sounds just as good as it did then.
I had a listen to that Sony last year at Richer Sounds, and to be honest it actually sounded superb. Richer had paired it with the aforementioned Cambridge Audio Topaz amp and Mission speakers.
But the only advantage to the Sony is that it is new and has connections to copy your vinyl to a PC.
But if the Technics is in very good condition, I'd still go for that.
Because I've just started getting into vinyl and will continue when I have more money to do it justice.
So you recommend I don't even bother?
Yes - vinyl is really a waste of time at the best of times, but at least is 'reasonable' if you use top end equipment.
I wouldn't dream of using vinyl these days, although I've still got my record collection and Micro Seiki record deck in the loft.
I did dig it back out about 12-15 years ago, just to show my daughter - I didn't realise she'd NEVER seen a record or record player
After she stopped laughing, she asked what those crackling noises were, and was amused to find you had to turn it over - then she said "oh, just like a cassette!".
Yes - vinyl is really a waste of time at the best of times, but at least is 'reasonable' if you use top end equipment.
I wouldn't dream of using vinyl these days, although I've still got my record collection and Micro Seiki record deck in the loft.
I did dig it back out about 12-15 years ago, just to show my daughter - I didn't realise she'd NEVER seen a record or record player
After she stopped laughing, she asked what those crackling noises were, and was amused to find you had to turn it over - then she said "oh, just like a cassette!".
I felt SOOOOOO old
Don't take any notice of Nigel, Ben. He doesn't get the emotion of vinyl - he's more a Mr Spock type than Dr McCoy
After she stopped laughing, she asked what those crackling noises were, and was amused to find you had to turn it over - then she said "oh, just like a cassette!".
Hah! And yet cassette is even more dead than vinyl. Has anyone used tape in the last 10 years?
AFAIK the only people still using them are the police, due to the fact that it's harder to tamper with a tape than it is with a computer file (or at least, so goes the theory).
At the end of the day, all physical media formats are effectively dead (or living on borrowed time) now; vinyl, tape, CD, DVD, Blu-Ray. One reason vinyl is enjoying a resurgence is the packaging -- the 12" gatefold format will always be a superior way of presenting the artwork of an album.
Buy the record (which will be a collectors' item in years to come while the CD will be worth 50p if you're lucky), get the download copy free with it (a la Amazon -- although a FLAC copy would be better than the MP3s given out), best of all worlds.
I listen to vinyl quite often. Can't remember the last CD I played, other than being put in the PC to rip to the server.
I actually cancelled my order for the Technics, as a friend of mine offered me something I couldn't refuse!
For £75, I got a Kenwood integrated amp, Kenwood 5 CD player, Kenwood double cassette deck (which I will most likely throw away), a fisher turntable (obviously not the best, I do get some sibilance, but it will certainly do until I upgrade) and some KEF speakers.
The KEF speakers include 2 floor, a centre and 2 for surround sound. I have played around with them and will only be using stereo with the 2 floor speakers.
The only problem with it is that the auto return feature on the arm doesn't work. When it reaches the end, it lifts up and moves about a centimetre away, then lowers again, instead of returning to the resting position. I can live with that!
The only problem with it is that the auto return feature on the arm doesn't work. When it reaches the end, it lifts up and moves about a centimetre away, then lowers again, instead of returning to the resting position. I can live with that!
That's better than my pro-ject debut turntable, which has absolutely no automation at all (by design)
That's better than my pro-ject debut turntable, which has absolutely no automation at all (by design)
It's pretty much the only thing I can complain about. I absolutely lucked out!
Well actually, the main thing to complain about is my house, floorboards are weak, so I walk past and the track will skip! I'm learning to tread lightly.
Very nice deal. KEF speakers are amongst the best of the mid-range offerings.
Depending on the age, that Fisher turntable might not be so bad. Before they were bought out by Sanyo Fisher were a respected hi-fi manufacturer.
And the Kenwood kit was always really well screwed together -- KA3020 by any chance? Bit of a legend that amp
Floor speakers: KEF Q35
Surround speakers: KEF 55S - I now have this on top of the floor speakers, operating as left and right also
Centre speaker: KEF Q95C - have no use for it, might get rid of it
Turntable: Fisher MT-715
CD player: Kenwood DPF-R4010
Dual cassette deck: Kenwood KXF-W4010 - might sell this, have no use
Amp: Kenwood KRF-V7010
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I'm so confused, all I need to do is plug my crappy computer speakers into my new turntable, for now.
No you can't use a standard amplifier -- phono pre-amps use special equaliser settings that cannot be (easily) replicated with an ordinary amp.
Getting a s/h integrated is probably the way to go, if you're thinking of the future. You can use it as a phono pre-amp (by plugging the speakers into the tape out jacks) and can then upgrade the speakers later on.
Ok, so should I just get a preamp like this: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Behringer-PP400-Microphono-Ultra-Compact-Phono-Preamp-/200880734047?pt=UK_AudioTVElectronics_HomeAudioHiFi_Amplifiers&hash=item2ec56cbf5f
Or get an integrated amplifier like this:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ariston-AX-910-Stereo-Hi-Fi-Integrated-Amplifier-/111142818524?pt=UK_AudioTVElectronics_HomeAudioHiFi_Amplifiers&hash=item19e0a0d2dc
That, plus the Technics plus a pair of (say) JPW mini monitors (s/h about £10 a set) would give you a pretty good little separates system at minimal cost.
This is exactly the kind of setup I suggest to anyone who is after cheap sonic thrills -- while it'll never beat an Arcam, something like the above will still blow away any cheap micro system.
Only thing I would say is that I'm not sure that specific integrated has a phono pre-amp built in -- you'd need that, and not all amps have it.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Technics-SU-V470-PXS-Stereo-Integrated-Amplifier-/200952455219?pt=UK_AudioTVElectronics_HomeAudioHiFi_Amplifiers&hash=item2ec9b32033
It has phono by the look of things.
Ok, so integrated amp it is, just gotta make sure it has a phono preamp built in.
Indeed. Older hifi speakers can be very cheap -- people are getting rid of them and moving down to small iPod docks etc -- I think they're mad but it's their choice.
Those JPWs are punchy little speakers -- not much bass to speak of but they do a great job of projecting sound into the room -- they'll be a revelation after computer speakers.
I'll keep my eye out for a nice pair then. Need to sort out the amp first though.
Also don't forget the "stylus" has a limited life and will need replacing at some point (1000 hrs) max, so make sure you know what it is - and where to get a replacement
It depends.
The Technics is the better of the two decks, but it isn't new so you'll only get a limited warranty from Greenhome. But the Technics is solidly built, my cousin is still using a Technics linear tracking turntable that was mine all through the 80s and it's still going strong. Of course it's had new belts and cartridges since then, but other than that and being well looked after it still sounds just as good as it did then.
I had a listen to that Sony last year at Richer Sounds, and to be honest it actually sounded superb. Richer had paired it with the aforementioned Cambridge Audio Topaz amp and Mission speakers.
But the only advantage to the Sony is that it is new and has connections to copy your vinyl to a PC.
But if the Technics is in very good condition, I'd still go for that.
Ah just read this.
Good for you.
Yes - vinyl is really a waste of time at the best of times, but at least is 'reasonable' if you use top end equipment.
I wouldn't dream of using vinyl these days, although I've still got my record collection and Micro Seiki record deck in the loft.
I did dig it back out about 12-15 years ago, just to show my daughter - I didn't realise she'd NEVER seen a record or record player
After she stopped laughing, she asked what those crackling noises were, and was amused to find you had to turn it over - then she said "oh, just like a cassette!".
I felt SOOOOOO old
Don't take any notice of Nigel, Ben. He doesn't get the emotion of vinyl - he's more a Mr Spock type than Dr McCoy
LOL I like that description
I take that as a compliment
Hah! And yet cassette is even more dead than vinyl. Has anyone used tape in the last 10 years?
AFAIK the only people still using them are the police, due to the fact that it's harder to tamper with a tape than it is with a computer file (or at least, so goes the theory).
At the end of the day, all physical media formats are effectively dead (or living on borrowed time) now; vinyl, tape, CD, DVD, Blu-Ray. One reason vinyl is enjoying a resurgence is the packaging -- the 12" gatefold format will always be a superior way of presenting the artwork of an album.
Buy the record (which will be a collectors' item in years to come while the CD will be worth 50p if you're lucky), get the download copy free with it (a la Amazon -- although a FLAC copy would be better than the MP3s given out), best of all worlds.
I listen to vinyl quite often. Can't remember the last CD I played, other than being put in the PC to rip to the server.
My daughter had an Early Learning Centre cassette player when she was little, used for audio story books - hence her familiarity with cassettes.
For £75, I got a Kenwood integrated amp, Kenwood 5 CD player, Kenwood double cassette deck (which I will most likely throw away), a fisher turntable (obviously not the best, I do get some sibilance, but it will certainly do until I upgrade) and some KEF speakers.
The KEF speakers include 2 floor, a centre and 2 for surround sound. I have played around with them and will only be using stereo with the 2 floor speakers.
I am a happy bunny.
That's better than my pro-ject debut turntable, which has absolutely no automation at all (by design)
It's pretty much the only thing I can complain about. I absolutely lucked out!
Well actually, the main thing to complain about is my house, floorboards are weak, so I walk past and the track will skip! I'm learning to tread lightly.
Depending on the age, that Fisher turntable might not be so bad. Before they were bought out by Sanyo Fisher were a respected hi-fi manufacturer.
And the Kenwood kit was always really well screwed together -- KA3020 by any chance? Bit of a legend that amp
Floor speakers: KEF Q35
Surround speakers: KEF 55S - I now have this on top of the floor speakers, operating as left and right also
Centre speaker: KEF Q95C - have no use for it, might get rid of it
Turntable: Fisher MT-715
CD player: Kenwood DPF-R4010
Dual cassette deck: Kenwood KXF-W4010 - might sell this, have no use
Amp: Kenwood KRF-V7010