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Amanda Knox appeal
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The latest chapter in the Knox Sollecito appeal starts tomorrow.
I know there have been threads on this in the past, but wondered if there was any interest in following the latest developments.
I am convinced of their innocence, but equally convinced their appeal will fail. The Italian justice system has not covered itself in glory in this case.
I recently read an interesting discussion on the Nencini verdict (Jan 2014). I'll link it in next post.
I know there have been threads on this in the past, but wondered if there was any interest in following the latest developments.
I am convinced of their innocence, but equally convinced their appeal will fail. The Italian justice system has not covered itself in glory in this case.
I recently read an interesting discussion on the Nencini verdict (Jan 2014). I'll link it in next post.
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The real killer, Rudy Guede, is already behind bars but the italians have basically painted themselves in to a corner with their irrational and obsessive pursuit of Knox.
Much like the OP, I also think the appeal will likely fail because the italians won't want to lose face over something that's gone on for such a long time.
It's difficult getting a full translation of the Nencini verdict. This article is quite good for expat aiming what it contains. Clearly it's written from the perspective of innocence, but it does include the contradictions within the verdict itself.
Gosh, that would take far longer than I have. A huge essay would result.
In a nutshell
The DNA evidence was flawed, fatally so.
The "confession" evidence was, apart from not even being a confession, flawed.
The two had only been a couple for a week. Jumping to a threesome murder with a man who Amanda had only met a coup,e do times and Sollecito didn't even know is more than a stretch.
There was strong DNA evidence to link another man, who is currently in prison for the murder.
The chief prosecutor was a compete and utter nutter.
What is your view?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3008212/Amanda-Knox-s-supporters-expect-guilty-murder-time-week-Italy-s-court-rule-death-Meredith-Kercher.html
Yes, I believe Rudy Guede acted alone or with some as yet unnamed accomplice. He changed his story so many times, finally implicating Knox and Sollecito when he was offered a reduced sentence.
Knox and Sollecito didn't do themselves any favours changing their accounts of events, but the prosecution have never come up with a convincing motive for them taking part in such a brutal killing.
I'm still convinced she's as guilty as sin.
Me too. I think she's a classic sociopath tbh.
I hate how the media have behaved through all this too. Meredith is the victim not knox.
I don't know enough to comment definitively. The whole trial and appeal process appear flawed. However, from what I know, I am not as convinced of OP that they are innocent.
The obvious answer is that Rudy Guede did it, however there are some very unusual elements which suggest that it was not 100% straightforward.
Rudy Guede was a thief but he was not, until that point, a murderer. It's not an impossible leap but it is a large one.
It's easy to throw away his testimony that he came upon the murder and when Knox and Sollecito saw him, they ran away. He said he tried to hold the towel up to her neck to save her but got spooked, covered her dignity and ran away.
A bloody towel was indeed found beside her as well as her having been covered. Murderers do not usually do this.
I have always wondered if he is perhaps telling some truths.
And yet they managed to remove all trace of their DNA in the bedroom and leave his behind.
I've been reading pretty much everything I can find since the case originally broke and i'm convinced she's innocent.
No, they found some of Sollecitos DNA on a bra clasp. For someone who has read all the facts, you seem to be omitting quite a few?
Also, the mixed luminol stain and the knife.
Three key pieces of DNA evidence: http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/its-not-right-to-say-there-is-no-evidence-in-the-case-against-amanda-knox-theres-plenty-9099649.
Remember that DNA is not just spread around. They hardly found any of Amanda's DNA in her own room.
Is this the same bra clasp that was recovered from the crime scene over a month later ?
i'm not doubting the fact they found some of his dna on the clasp, but the question still remains - if sollecito and knox apparently both attacked and murdered kercher, don't you think there'd be a tad more dna evidence in the room apart from a "some" on a bra clasp that wasn't recovered until nearly six weeks after the fact ?
the dna sample on the knife was always said to be so small it barely reached acceptable standards for testing and had to be amplified greatly. it was more consistent with day to day use than actually cutting someone's throat.
the entire forensic operation was amateurish from the very beginning.
Me too. And in true DS Armchair Detective style, I've read a lot of transcripts etc. It was a staged break in. Why would someone who didn't live there need to do that?
It's actually a little known fact about DNA but it doesn't spread around like fingerprints for example. Also, do consider that the defence said that the police spread his DNA around on their feet and contaminated the sample. The sample that was hidden away for 6 weeks. Contaminated with his DNA? The same DNA that was only found in one other place in the whole flat - on a cigarette butt? Hmmm
His testimony has never been properly tested though.
And his first communications about the murder were in a Skype call to a friend of his when he was on the run. That call was recorded. He specifically said Knox had nothing to do with it, she wasn't even there.
His truths are that he was there when she died. But he says that after getting intimate, he went for a dump, came out and found her dying.
Who knows? There has been an awful lot of lying in this case. My particular favourite is Rafaelle not being horrified that Meredith's DNA was found on a knife in his apartment, but saying that she had come round for fish and he had accidentally pricked her with the knife. Turns out she had never set foot in there.
I have an open mind on this too, but do wonder if they were more involved than they admit.
Why does the bra clasp have Sollecito's DNA on it? How did it get there if he'd only been around a week and Meredith did not know him?
Why did Amanda lie to the police? What was the point in making up stories?
Why was there a spot of blood in Romanelli's room? If Rudi ran straight out the house after he murdered her, how did the blood get into another bedroom? The blood spot was a mixture of Meredith's and Amanda's.
The knife DNA was not detected using standard protocols because the amount was so low. But there was a perfect match. I don't know the chances of that happening but I bet they are very low ... Unless it was Meredith's blood of course.
How do you explain the staged break in?
Do you know what exactly was said during this Skype call?
Even the defence admit that Knox's DNA was on window mixed with Meredith's and Sollecitos was on the bra clasp.
Put it this way, if you were to strangle someone with your bare hands, only 2/3rds of people would leave behind a DNA trace. Takes much less force to use a knife so less likely to leave DNA. It's quite hard to leave DNA behind.
The DNA evidence is why he will be convicted and she will be slapped with an extradition order.