Which was worse; Hodgson at Liverpool or Moyes at United?
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The responses to my thread about Roy Hodgson being bitter about Liverpool have inspired another debate about who was worse out of Hodgson and Moyes
I think Moyes was worse at United as they suffered more of a fall from grace after winning the title the previous season. Hodgson inherited a team that was already decling in the last year of Benitez
I think Moyes was worse at United as they suffered more of a fall from grace after winning the title the previous season. Hodgson inherited a team that was already decling in the last year of Benitez
Which was worse; Hodgson at Liverpool or Moyes at United? Post a Poll 86 votes
Hodgson at Liverpool
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The threat of relegation was very real for Liverpool under Hodgson, and the performances were only getting worse.
The fact that LvG has had a similar start to the season as Moyes shows the massive cracks papered over.
I think Hodgson is a good manager, but he was lacking in recent experience at the top level. He made things worse by bringing in players he was familiar with but who weren't good enough. But he's a good man manager and a good tactician. Given time he would have turned things around.
In contrast Moyes at Everton appeared to be a good manager doing well on limited resources, so surely he should do even better with no such limits? But as it turned out his methods and ideas had been holding Everton back, and he was out of his depth at a top club. He also got rid of an experienced coaching staff who knew how Utd worked. Things would only have got worse had he stayed longer.
I'd say Moyes was worse at United than Hodgson was at Liverpool.
I think Roy Hodgson should never have been appointed in the first place and the fans never readily accepted him. I believe David Moyes may have had a chance had he shadowed Sir Alex Ferguson for a season as Assistant Manager before taking over full time. He would have had at least experienced how a knowledgeable and talented manager handled an egotistical and successful squad and the players may have accepted him more readily. Now we'll never know.
I doubt either manager will get a big club post again (England in international terms are at around the same level as Stoke in the Premier League - no offence to Stoke). They'll just have to make the best with the hand they've been dealt with.
Never liked Hodgson, so I had low expectations going in, and nothing odd happened as it was to be expected. He never seems to know what he is doing, everything feels very messy and as if he really has no plan or idea of how he wants the team to play.
But I think Moyes had a bigger impact (although not entirely his fault mind), so that gets my vote.
I would rate Moyes as a much better manager though.
I also think Hodgson is a better manager than Moyes, despite his record at Liverpool, he's won trophies all over Europe and is well respected on the Continent, he also took Fulham to a Europa League final. He was poor in the League at Liverpool, but they were undefeated in 10 Europa League games under him, which shows his European knowledge, he is better at smaller clubs though.
In contrast Moyes has won nothing and failed to get Preston promoted to the PL.
I'm not going to vote though, I don't know enough about what was going on behind the scenes, how much backing did they really have from the people who held the purse strings etc.
I'll leave it to the supporters of both clubs to provide the answers. If you're looking to outsiders for a judgement, perhaps we should have someone in the know arguing the case for and against each manager ?
I'm not. I posted one thread about him which inspired another thread
He took United from Champions to nowhere.
Hodgson took Liverpool from nowhere to a bit worse than nowhere.
Anyone would think he took over some great squad of players. He didn't.
Agreed.
One thing I will say is that Hodgson signed a lot more crap than Moyes did. Moyes' problem was that he didn't sign anyone, other than overpaying for Fellaini then buying Mata, who whilst being an excellent player, was signed in a position where we were already well stocked.
Moyes' away record was decent, I think he only lost at Liverpool, City, Everton and Chelsea (United fans can correct me if I'm wrong). Played pretty well against Arsenal away as well and could easily have got 3 points.
As for Hodgson, his football was the worst I've ever seen at Anfield, our away performances were shocking and the interviews were just as cringey as Moyes.'
Integrating new players, rebuilding the confidence of those who were here last season, a crippling injury list.
How many more do you want?
In this international break alone, he's lost Carrick, De Gea and Blind to injury. Every single player who's played in defence for United has been injured or suspended at some point - usually the following week after they've played. That kind of horrible luck is just not normal.
It's absolutely shocking.
But Nani who has been suffering with injuries on and off has gone out on loan has hasn't missed a game.
We're cursed!
It is pretty run of the mill stuff at Arsenal.
LvG and Rogers this season shows that quite well. Rogers in particular is still a very naive manager IMO.
I wouldn't be at all surprised to see Moyes do a great job at Sociedad - arguably, I'd expect him to do a better job than Rogers would.
It wouldn't surprise me if he flops at Sociadad.
Things always settle down in the end when it comes to management I find. I'd have a sly bet on Moyes going on a steady upwards curve while Rogers stumbles over the next few years...
Meanwhile when Hodgson was appointed at Liverpool, Liverpool were a basket case financially due to the parasites running the club, however Hodgson didn't help the cause with poor signings of Poulson & Konchesky poor tactics, Hodgsons philosophy is to defend 0-0 & see what happens usually losing
AVB was slaughtered by the very same headline writers despite him pretty much keeping Spurs where they've been for a while.
I was underwhelmed when Moyes was appointed at United but like most fans hoped that he could prove the doubters wrong.
I think he has too many buddies in the press to cover his arse tbh.
Moyes, Hodgson and to some extent Rogers are not big enough for clubs with the stature of Manchester United and Liverpool. That might sound arrogant but there you go.
You can't become a bad manager if you weren't a good one in the first place. Anybody would think Moyes had achieved what he did with Tranmere not Everton, not exactly a small club and one which has which has big support, some of the praise he got was ludicrous, he was described as a "great manager". If he was great what does that make Howard Kendall? Martinez came into Everton and did a much better job than him while finishing above United at the same time.